December 14, 2005
Good Advice From Danny Westneat

The Seattle Times columnist learned the hard way that not everyone understood that he was being satirical in his previous column on Christmas.   (I could have warned him about that.  There are a few people who simply don't get satire on any subject, and a great many people who have such strong opinions on Christmas (and other religious subjects) that satire, unless you can write as well as Mark Twain, should be avoided by prudent authors.)

He ends his current column with this heartfelt advice:

And while I'm doling out advice: For God's sake, stop believing everything you read in the newspaper.

That's advice that I took many years ago.  And I have many examples to show why Westneat's advice is wise.  Here's one I have mentioned before on my own site.  A few years ago, Joann Byrd, who was then editorial page editor of the Seattle PI, wrote an editorial attacking the Republicans for leaking something unpleasant about the Clintons.  On the same day that the editorial was published, we learned that the leaker had been a Democratic judge, who had leaked unintentionally.

Byrd and I had an interesting email exchange.  She was quite sorry for the mistake and explained that she had missed the news about the judge because the editorial and news are separate at the PI.  I said that I understood, but thought that she should publish a correction.   She said that they had published a letter criticizing the editorial, which was true.  I pointed out that the PI had also published a letter supporting the editorial, and urged her again to make a correction.  She never did.

Westneat gave one example showing why we shouldn't believe what we read in newspapers, his previous column.  I just provided another, one of my favorites from a very large stock.  Now it is your turn.  Can you give us your own example illustrating why Westneat is right to warn us against believing what we read in newspapers?  Bonus points for examples from the Seattle Times.  (And here's a hint for those looking in today's issue:  I haven't read it, but there is a column by Floyd McKay, the retired journalism professor.  If I were looking for errors, that's where I would start.)

(The article that fooled Byrd into thinking that the leak had come from a Republican was written by Pete Yost of the Associated Press.  I can't prove it, of course, but I have always thought that Yost, who knew the truth, was trying to trick his readers into blaming the leak on Republicans.  And I have called him "Sneaky" Pete ever since.)

Posted by Jim Miller at December 14, 2005 02:35 PM | Email This
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1. I personally think the Times is a good paper. The PI is not.

It's healthy to take each and every fact and article with a grain of salt. But to discard the entire newspaper sector as an item not worthy of being read, you tread into dangerous territory.

The average citizen, which is so ignorant to the issues, would do well to read the newspaper. Sadly, people seem to be relying on KOMO 4 more than anything -- and local tv is the worst source of news ever (unless you want to know the weather!)

Posted by: nathan on December 14, 2005 02:56 PM
2. I personally think the Times is a good paper. The PI is not.

It's healthy to take each and every fact and article with a grain of salt. But to discard the entire newspaper sector as an item not worthy of being read, you tread into dangerous territory.

The average citizen, which is so ignorant to the issues, would do well to read the newspaper. Sadly, people seem to be relying on KOMO 4 more than anything -- and local tv is the worst source of news ever (unless you want to know the weather!)

Posted by: nathan on December 14, 2005 02:56 PM
3. sorry for posting twice (three times now)

Posted by: nathan on December 14, 2005 02:58 PM
4. I gave up on the MSM about 35 years ago when the Tacoma News Bufoon had a story in which a "Semi-automatic Machine Pistol" was used in a homicide. I pointed out to them that that's about like a ham sandwich made with peanut butter and jelly but no meat and that they should post a correction to their story, alas to no avail.

Posted by: JDH on December 14, 2005 02:58 PM
5. Haha, not surprised, there is another reason why I don't subscribe to the Times. I too stopped believing anything written in the paper.

Posted by: Jose on December 14, 2005 03:57 PM
6. I learned not to believe everything I read in the paper quite some time ago. So much of the reason is for what they DON'T print, alright--Remember when a reporter caught Teresa Kerry in an embarrassing lie and she told him to 'shove it'? The newspapers reported the 'shove it' comment, without ever telling readers that she'd been caught in lie. It was very salient to the story, yet not in line with the leftist agenda of the AP reporters, so you had to go to cable TV or blogs to learn ALL the facts about the story.

Posted by: Misty on December 14, 2005 04:00 PM
7. I first learnd how the news works when i became the news director (and reader) for a small market radio station. What I immediatly noticed was that the TV and Newspapers were reading word for word press releases sent by democrats or local government agencies. They read these press releases EXACTLY word for word as if it were the whole story. no follow up questions, no "other side says..." etc. reading a press release verbatum WAS THE EXENT of the their story.

Back then (10 years ago, not in the news biz now) the R's didn't even bother to send out press releases but the Dems had a release for EVERYTHING. So their side was constantly in the "news" as if it were the only available information.

I made it a practice when receiving one of the Dem "press releases" to call the local republican or at least someone with more information to get more of a balanced version of the story on the air, and i did ruffle some feathers doing so as it was unheard of to do such a thing at that time!

I was fired 6 months later by the democrat station manager.


Posted by: dave on December 14, 2005 04:36 PM
8. dave,

This says more to me about the GOP in your market area than it does about the dems and your radio station.

How does KCGOP rate compared to 10 years ago in your unspecified geographic area?

Posted by: huckleberry on December 14, 2005 04:50 PM
9. While i am still in the radio biz i am not privy to the press releases at all now.

I think since the advent of Fox news, generally the GOP has woke up to the modern reality of press and spin. the Dems were way ahead at that time is the point i was making. I was in Southern Oregon then.

The broader point i was attempting to make is about the newspapers, TV stations, and most radio stations. That point again is that they do not actually investigate and report the news, they simply read what is given to them as if it were fact. I did not realize this until i saw the actual press releases first hand and noticed that they were verbatum being printed as NEWS in both the local and statewide (Oregonian) newspapers, as well as on TV.

Posted by: dave on December 14, 2005 05:12 PM
10. The Seattle will have to change or they will continue to lose readership. I won't buy the rag, but have seen articles written lately that look like there are some efforts to uncover the misuse of power and money in this state.

Having said that they have one heck of a long way to go before I will buy a paper.

They could start by putting the historic democratic election in Iraq on their front page, but they will run some negative article on the war instead.

They are just to entrenched and predictable.

Posted by: GS on December 14, 2005 05:20 PM
11. Christian-Haters like this CLOWN always have a ready excuse when they are exposed.....always.
So anytime the Bastion of Community Truth screws up, all they have to do is say don't believe anything we say.
I wonder if their advertisers think they are paying to advertise in a fictional newspaper???
Is Danny saying "I'm a chronic liar, but watch out because on a rare occassion I tell the truth"?
Or perhaps Danny is implying.
"Everything I say is true.....it's just that some of my BS is truer than others".
It really is pathetic, the low standard professional journalism has sunk to. The old-timers in the newspaper business must be cringing at CLOWNS like Westneat. He's a disgrace.....but he's not alone!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on December 14, 2005 05:32 PM
12. I learned to distrust the local newspaper (The Bellingham Herald), when I was involved or at least privy to information that went unreported in a story. And like JDH when the paper was asked to print a correction they refused.

Posted by: ChuckyJ on December 14, 2005 05:39 PM
13. If you want specific examples of poor reporting in the Seattle Times, here are just a few of the many: The presence of lead in the Seattle Public Schools water pipes (that was nothing but fear mongering at its worst), Alar on apples (any one you know eat a boxcar a day to get the toxic dose?), Seattle schools showing improvement on the WASL (what the article glossed over was how most students weren't failing quite so badly but were still a long way from passing), and the situation in Iraq (the press corps should actually go over there for a few months with an open mind--they would be just stunned at all the good things that are happening).

And, finally, this gem: "Gregoire is the legitimate winner of the election."

Posted by: Burdabee on December 14, 2005 05:41 PM
14. I still buy the Times. It goes directly from the porch to the bottom of my parrots cage. I'm also not worried about its content. Birds can be quite smart you know.

BTW, Pictures of Gregoire and Sims get a special location at the bottom of the cage.

Posted by: joer on December 14, 2005 06:31 PM
15. A newspaper writer telling us with a straight face not to believe everything we read in the newspaper? Now, that's satire.

Posted by: Joseph Cantu on December 14, 2005 07:56 PM
16. The sad thing is that Westneat thought he was writing something witty and creative. Really, he was just on the far anti-religion side of this silly debate. It's absurd that he would, in a sideways manner, attempt to tell others how they should practice their religion.

Posted by: BananaLand on December 14, 2005 08:25 PM
17. The Spokesman-Review (the only major newspaper in Spokane) sets up a sting to "catch" Mayor Jim West surfing gay websites. He's busted. Now the Spokesman becomes directly involved in the story. How do they report the entire story impartially if they are part of it?

Posted by: cc on December 14, 2005 08:48 PM
18. I don't think the ST is so foolish as to publish outright lies, but like most newspapers these days, it is guilty of subtle omissions of truth and the injection of opinion and bias into its news stories. It's not really the Times reporters doing this; 95% of the articles it publishes are taken verbatim from the NYT, LAT, AP, or Reuters. The other 5%, like the recent story of Baby M, is actually pretty good reporting.

Note to Westneat: Yikes. You're no Dave Barry.

Posted by: Organization Man on December 14, 2005 08:58 PM
19. There is a subtle line between satire and stupidity. Danny-Boy has crossed the line so many times that he must be stupid. Was Danny giggling when he wrote this garbage?? Did he have on his freshly ironed jeans???
Danny is one of those Metrosexuals who everyone once in awhile tries to cute things up.....but as usual, he shows how stupid he is.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on December 14, 2005 09:28 PM
20. the above points make me think more on what I posted above. The type of news person, be it paper or TV/radio generally employ a "slaker like" work ethic in the performance of their jobs.

I have to conclude that the majority of these people don't really want to work to hard, they like being "public personalities," and they dont wish to offend anyone who might remotely think it's cool to know them and might give em an easy story now and then.

Posted by: dave on December 14, 2005 09:37 PM
21. The most encouraging phrase in Jim Miller's post: "...Floyd McKay, the retired journalism professor." Thank God--no more brainwashed journalism students of Floyd the barber. Now if we can just retire that smirk from the newspaper...

Posted by: Organization Man on December 14, 2005 09:47 PM
22. If one were to want to assess whether or not the MSM deserves the low esteem with which they are held these days (EVERY credible poll done in the last decade ranks them as blue ribbon winners in the ‘lying sacks of corrupt and ethically challenged crap’ stakes) consider this: in Tacoma practically every one of the projects receiving special tax status and other perks have either an elected official, member of their family or business associates of theirs with a financial stake involved in a big way.

Have you seen so much as a peep out of the News Buffoon regarding this? Yes in as much as Bill Evans was slapped down by the State in his latest attempt, however what this situation calls for is a thorough and comprehensive investigative report. Will we ever see this? Before you answer, think about this… everyone, and I mean everyone including the News Buffoon knew about Brame for years, they knew about him prior to his ‘coronation’ as Police Chief. The ‘news’ which was reported after he murdered his wife wasn’t news at all.

Posted by: JDH on December 15, 2005 09:27 AM
23. Comics and coupons are the only reason we subscribe.

Posted by: Delbert on December 15, 2005 09:48 AM
24. While Organization Man summed it up quite nicely, I must add that it must be disconcerting to Westneat that the only time anyone takes him seriously is when he is doing satire (badly).

Danny - do give up your day job!

Posted by: alphabet soup on December 17, 2005 08:52 AM
25. This new "explanation" is nothing more than Westneat taking another swipe at Christians, like some drunken cubical cowboy crowing about how dumb Christians are. This was my take on the original article as posted on another site on 12/10;

(name redacted), if you read it quick you might think he's sincere. Read it again and you will see that Westneat is telling us we have no business practicing - or celebrating our religion in public.
The addressee is the left's icon for a religous whacko, not Danny's own pastor.

In that paragragh he states that the only place Americans are likely to hear about Jesus's birth is in the "retail core" (stores), clearly indicating we're a bunch of ignorant hypocrites who don't go to church or read the bible.

The middle of the body of text beginning with "I hope so, for Jesus sake, but I have my doubts" clearly inferes that Jesus is losing. This is the rallying cry of Satan & the liberal movement.

It ends with "And here's what's truly sad. After we are persecuted from the malls, how are we supposed to observe the birth of the Lord? What's left for us? Just church? The family hearth?

I can't imagine what Jesus would have said about that."

My emphasis added, I think this speaks for itself.

The article was designed to mislead some readers into thinking he was a self effacing Christian tired of the "hype" while being a very clear slap at Christians who recognize Westneat for the pompous ultraliberal troll that he is.

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