After running an errand in downtown Seattle this afternoon, I thought I'd walk around and look at some of the more intriguing "residences" where people are registered to vote.
Norwegian Consulate, 1402 3rd Ave, Suite 806
The rest of the travelogue follows --
Other voting residences at 1402 3rd Ave include
Suite 406, offices of the Washington State Coalition Against Domestic Violence and Suite 1100, the offices of Degen & Degen, architecture and interior design.
At 1424 4th Ave, the Fourth & Pike Building, there are voters registered in Suite 520, Andi's Salon on Fourth Avenue, and in Suite 621, Associated Messenger Service.
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At the Bank of America Tower, there are people registered at Suite 101, a Mail Boxes, Etc. store, and in Suite 4000, the law firm of Stokes, Lawrence.
The Washington Mutual Tower has voters in the law offices of Ryan, Swanson and Cleveland and at PFM Financial Advisors.
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Across the way at 1111 3rd Ave, somebody claims residence in Suite 2900, a WaMu office. A different elector who voted last November is registered at this building, but didn't report which suite she lives in. Perhaps she lives at the flower stand
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Somebody else is registered at 1115 5th Ave, but the only building on that side of the block is this parking garage.
I hope that it's going to be a non-partisan position because otherwise I fear that the county will be crazy enough to elect a D just for tradition's sake. Posted by: Reporterward on December 8, 2005 05:22 PM
How many are using that as their residence address? Are they even US citizens??
This just keeps getting worse! Tell me that these many methods of illegal voter registration were NOT orchestrated and collaborated! This huge number of people just don't wake up one morning and individually decide to register to vote illegally...Someone had to sit down and put some serious thought into the ways and means of voting illegally without detection...And - they had to put these ideas out there for like minded people (ie; Liberals) to see...
Our Justice Department needs to look into Moveon.org and the other Liberal, Progressive, Socialist organizations that were working so diligently on the "get out the vote" projects around the country over the past few years - under the guise of the HAVA.
Posted by: Deborah on December 8, 2005 05:48 PMWonder how many registered at McDermotts house or his office?
Posted by: righton on December 8, 2005 06:59 PMhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002672354_webecoterrorism08.html Posted by: Mr. Cynical on December 8, 2005 07:27 PM
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Posted by: Mike H on December 8, 2005 08:48 PMIs this really a core value of the 'conservative movement' or just a vindictive stab to somehow mollify the pain of a narrow loss.
Shark, ya need to get a grip and move on.
Posted by: Unkl Witz on December 8, 2005 09:17 PMWhat is it with the liberals? You don't like the law so you don't want to enforce it? If the law is unjust, then practice peaceful protests, get arrested, and force the government to change an unjust law.
No one wants to "disenfranchise" anyone's voting rights. We just want people to follow the law.
I'm all for counting every LEGAL vote. You seem to want to substitute your personal sense of "fairness" in deciding what laws to obey. Felons can't vote, THAT'S NOT FAIR; dead people can't vote, THAT'S NOT FAIR; can't list a 4X6X12 inch mailbox as your residence, i.e., where you live, THAT'S NOT FAIR!
What IS FAIR is following the law. Everyone knows what the rules are. You can't make them up as you go along. THAT'S NOT FAIR!
Do you want to take over Shark's duty of cleaning up the voter rolls? Maybe you would feel better if a Democrat like you was going the cleaning? Hey, we don't care who is doing the leg work on this, as long as we get rid of all of those illegitimate votes that might possibly sway an election.
Posted by: Jeff B. on December 8, 2005 09:47 PMDude, stop bogarting the Kool Aid. Posted by: pseudotsuga on December 8, 2005 10:01 PM
I take it you'd have no problem with us Tri-Citians voting for Seattle city council candidates, or on your local tax measures. That's what you must mean when you say that registering with your actual residence for the purpose of proper precincting is "a highly technical and meaningless point of law"?
Or perhaps you have a better explanation for why you are required to provide "the place where you actually live" on your registration form?
Posted by: Patrick on December 8, 2005 10:04 PMIf this was the lottery or someother type of contest and the rules were changed mid-stream you would be crying bloody murder and the State Attorney General would be doing his job, that is, taking them to court, etc.
How about getting with the program and support cleaning up this election mess. Rules are rules! If you don't like them you change them BEFORE the next election.... NOT during the election.
Posted by: Janet on December 8, 2005 10:45 PMI hope you are periodically packaging this material and sending it to the feds with the question of why they do not investigate.
This is not accidental it is deliberate fraud and a felony. It calls for a grand jury invesitgation.
This is true of much you have documented since November of 2004. That it is continuing in this past election, 2005, simply confirms what is going on.
Posted by: tomasM on December 8, 2005 11:05 PMDon't you know that the hate-male gender feminists are ALWAYS supposed to get a pass for their egregious behavior?
Surprised Iguana didn't already do a smackdown on this one.
The Geezer
Posted by: The Geezer on December 9, 2005 04:36 AMIt is neither "highly technical" nor "meaningless" to ask people to state where they live when they register to vote in elections that affect that specific geographic area. Otherwise people from outside the area can vote in elections for officials in an area other than where they live. That is why elections are sorted by local, state, and national categories. If you don't have some measure of control, you'd have special interest groups busing people into an area where that group wants to afect the outcome of loca elections, for their own purposes. (Oh, wait, isn't that a tactic of MoveOn, or some other 'Rat group?) One of the tenets of federalism is that local control is maintained by legally registered voters of a defined political entity, like a township, city, or county. Likewise, a soverign state needs some assurance that elections of state officials are decided by legally registered voters of residents of that state.
Posted by: Interested Observer on December 9, 2005 07:17 AMI may be stupid, or worse, a liberal, but here’s how I see it:
A man lives in Lynnwood with his girlfriend. He gets his mail at a PO Box in Seattle, conveniently located near his workplace, because he’s not that sure how much longer it’s going to work with Ms. Lynnwood, and he prefers the anonymity of the PO Box. His former wife is dissatisfied with his schedule of alimony payments and certain creditors would like to have a word with him. Oh, and his voter registration is also the PO Box in Seattle. Overall, not a record you would want printed in your obituary, but hardly a capital crime.
He occasionally votes even though he is not currently a resident of King County, and consequently, he inappropriately affects those ballot issues exclusive to King County.
Meanwhile, the President of the United States, elected by an even narrower margin than the hated Christine Gregoire, unilaterally conducts a senseless and unprovoked war, thereby poisoning our diplomatic relations with most the rest of the planet, costing hundreds of billions of dollars, and resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of human beings.
Back at home, he appoints ridiculously incompetent people to high government positions while his colleagues in the Republican party accept bribes and generally loot the treasury for their own personal gain.
Now which problem strikes you as worthy of our immediate attention; the voter who very modestly skewed the outcome of a King County election, or a man who has adversely affected the entire planet for virtually all of the foreseeable future?
Thanks to all who took the time to respond.
I will highly technically and meaninglessly request everyone try and vote for Dean Logan, Sam Reed and Ron Sims by provisional and also vote as many times as possible in the next election by moving into one of those mailbox stores and report back with the highly technical and meaningless point of illustrating the lack of law enforcement.
Uncuuullll just had a twitch...say it say...EEEvil conservatives are breakin' the law!!!
Nice work Mr. Sharkansky...thank you! Economy up newspaper circulation down. SP/Orb up ST/PI down...why why why??
Posted by: Col. Hogan on December 9, 2005 07:38 AMthe arrogant hypocrisy of the left.
they forget (more likely never learned) that pride goes before the fall.
Seems to me that the wing of the left these 2 represent is becoming more socio-path than socialist. Posted by: dan on December 9, 2005 08:17 AM
Witz, you wrote: "Gosh Hogan, how did you ever make Colonel with such and atrocious writing style." Obviously, Witless, you are not in a position to teach anything since you know nothing about sentence structure. The first mistake that you made was to finish a question with a "." instead of a "?". Second, you do not know how to spell a two-letter word ("...with such and atrocious writing style..."). What were you saying about that glorious WASL over which you and your liberal friends have been having multiple orgasms?
It only goes to show that we do not need to expend much energy to prove how truly stupid and directionless the liberals are. All we have to do is hit the 'record' button, sit back, and let the liberals do our work for us.
Posted by: ERNurse on December 9, 2005 08:35 AMIf a grand jury ever investigates this, I am convinced that what they will find is a loose organization of unions and radical activist groups who have regisered some non-existent people for the purpose of adding extra votes to various election results. Personally, I would be surprised if the numbers are high (i.e. more than a percent or so), but I would anticipate that past elections have been swayed. I would also expect that this occurs in various law offices and activist headquarters in Olympis, Bellingham, Everett, Vancouver WA, Yakima, Spokane, Port Townsend, Aberdeen, etc.
I do believe that there is vote fraud and if Stephan keeps this up, soon we will see the connecting threads of that fraud.
Posted by: Bob on December 9, 2005 09:08 AMYou worthless idiot. You need union representation.
Posted by: Apache Fog on December 9, 2005 09:12 AM"A man lives in Lynnwood with his girlfriend. He gets his mail at a PO Box in Seattle, conveniently located near his workplace, because he’s not that sure how much longer it’s going to work with Ms. Lynnwood, and he prefers the anonymity of the PO Box. His former wife is dissatisfied with his schedule of alimony payments and certain creditors would like to have a word with him. Oh, and his voter registration is also the PO Box in Seattle."
So,in other words, you feel its okay for this man to hide his address in order to avoid these legal responsibilities. One wonders why Mr. Hypothetical planned ahead and put his VOTER registration at that mailbox, even though he knew it was illegal to do so because he didn't live there. (But that's the trouble with hypothetical arguments...)
"Overall, not a record you would want printed in your obituary, but hardly a capital crime.
He occasionally votes even though he is not currently a resident of King County, and consequently, he inappropriately affects those ballot issues exclusive to King County."
And here is where you make people wonder if you even understand what an argument is, Mr. Witz--is it okay that he do this, or not?
You consistently ignore the question, or else resort to a bit of logical sophistry: to wit, the "Why are you attacking this wrong-doing? Person X is doing something worse!"
And this is exactly what you do,in your next "hypothetical" example:
"Meanwhile, the President of the United States, elected by an even narrower margin than the hated Christine Gregoire..."
According to the Rasmussen reports (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm):
President George W. Bush won the popular vote on November 2 by a 50.7% to 48.2% margin over Senator John Kerry. The final Rasmussen Reports projection had shown the President winning 50.2% to 48.5%.
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According to the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19510-2004Nov2.html)
Updated 2:09 AM ET Precincts:0%
Candidate Votes %
Bush * (R) 60,693,281 51%
Kerry (D) 57,355,978 48%
Other 1,107,393 1%
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And for comparison, here are the figures from the Washington Secretary of State (http://vote.wa.gov/general/recount.aspx) regarding Rossi/Gregoire:
Christine Gregoire--1,373,361--48.8730%
Dino Rossi----------1,373,232--48.8685%
So, Witz, did you even bother to look up the numbers, or did your Bushophobic rage cause you to overlook them? You may claim the numbers are a minor thing--but they take away credibility from anything else you say, Witz.
Like, for example, the crescendo leading up to this screed:
"...[Bush] unilaterally conducts a senseless and unprovoked war, thereby poisoning our diplomatic relations with most the rest of the planet, costing hundreds of billions of dollars, and resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of human beings."
Sigh...how can you expect anybody to even pay attention to you, Witz? This must be why you resort to clever(?) sarcasm instead of argument, I suppose.
You repeat 6 talking points up there, as if they were already proven. You will find, if you look at the facts instead of your feelings, that #1 (unilateralism) isn't true, #2 (senseless war) is a red herring (if that war is senseless, aren't all wars?) and open to discussion and debate (recent polls in Iraq put the lie to "senseless"), #3 (unprovoked) ignores some factual reality regarding Saddam's UN sanctions, #4 (poisoning) is open for debate (were the relationships *really* blue skies and ice cream, or was it all a facade to keep attention away from Oil for Food?), #5 (billions of $$) is true (although whether it is worth it or not is up for years of debate), #6 (100,000+ deaths) is another canard (if you did the research, you would find that number is highly suspect). And even were the death toll to be accurate, did the USA kill those people, or did terrorist/freedom fighter/insurgent/hero actions do it?
But wait, there is a finale in this Magnum Opus coming up:
"Back at home, he appoints ridiculously incompetent people to high government positions while his colleagues in the Republican party accept bribes and generally loot the treasury for their own personal gain."
Oh, right, the FEMA guy--didn't he get fired? Was that really a "high" government position? Has he never appointed a competent person? (that's a trick question--you would, of course, answer NO in your Bushophobia)
The bribery stuff--you mean to tell me you didn't hear about the Democrat indictments? You mean you can't do a Google search and find ANY Democrat under investigation for financial creativity? Hmm...guess your Google is broken.
And the coda, at last:
"Now which problem strikes you as worthy of our immediate attention; the voter who very modestly skewed the outcome of a King County election, or a man who has adversely affected the entire planet for virtually all of the foreseeable future?"
So, Witz--back to the question you keep dodging: Did your "very modest" voter break the law (like you argue Bush did and does) or not?
Posted by: pseudotsuga on December 9, 2005 09:44 AMJP Patches, mayor of the city dump, should deputize Captain Puget to look into this. Posted by: Reporterward on December 9, 2005 09:45 AM
But when an MSM reporter tries to find the adoption papers for the Chief Justice of the SC's children to smear him in some way, and doing this by contemplating filing FoIA to get adoption records,and being paid for it - ahhh the wonderful sound of silence from the outraged people of Stefan's activities.
Posted by: fred on December 9, 2005 10:04 AMThey obviously registered in downtown Seattle so they could vote on and pay MVET to the monorail.
Posted by: Gary on December 9, 2005 10:19 AMThey couldn't win that one - they either admit they are registered to vote in the wrong place or they registered their car in the wrong place.
Posted by: fred on December 9, 2005 10:46 AMI think you're right. The fact that the numbers are small and the efforts perhaps loosely organized (perhaps not) is what makes the kind of fraud we saw in the determination of the Rossi-Fraudoire contest so insideous and dangerous. It is precisely because it is not widespread and obvious. That makes it all the harder to detect and root out. And even when it is detected you see arguments, like are coming now from the 'Rat side, that, gee, it is a "small problem", or a "minor technicality", which is done in a transparent and vapid attempt to either legimize the fraud or sweep it under the carpet. The apprently small numbers also makes it unlikely that elected officials will be inclined to pursue investigation of the wrongdoing. Why it is dangerous is that it allows illegitimate officials to be ensconced in office, at the price of the confidence of the people in the electoral process.
Posted by: Interested Observer on December 9, 2005 11:05 AMSent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:20 AM
To: bertha@wa-democrats.org
Subject: DNC bumper stickers
Well, the DNC has finally gone ahead and labeled Christians hypocrits! I am personally offended, and am considering legal action. I have, as a Christian, had about enough bigotry and hate speech against Christians.
From: Bertha McDaniel
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: DNC bumper stickers
Good Morning,
I haven’t seen the bumper stickers in question!! Please let me know what the BS say!
Thanks
Bertha McDAniel
Office Manager
206-583-0664
bertha@wa-democrats.org
I replied:
Gosh, I find that surprising, since they are for sale in "Bertha's Store"! They are actually auto magnetic ribbons, rather than bumper stickers. Go to www.wa-democrats.org/bertha/Ribbons.php.
A Christian Fish with a Christian cross is depicted, in flames, with the word hypocrit on it. I call that hate speech.
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A few minutes later, I looked again at the link, and the ribbons had magically disappeared from her website! Still haven't received a reply from her, though!! I guess one just needs to stand up and be counted!
Posted by: katomar on December 9, 2005 12:00 PM
I hope you printed a hardcopy of Bertha's pagefor the newspapers (when I say newspaper, of course I don't mean the P-I!) Posted by: Mr. Cynical on December 9, 2005 01:32 PM
Unfortunately, I did't print it! I guess I didn't really expect them to take it off, and that quickly at that! Maybe orbus has it saved. Don't know. I don't think any papers would pick it up, anyway. Too illustrative of the current bigotry. Posted by: katomar on December 9, 2005 01:45 PM
That is a lie. BUSTED! When you start off your ramblings with a lie, then you shouldn't expect any credibility.
http://www.washingtongop.net/images/DemocratChristianHaters.jpg
Orbusmax is not letting them off that easy. They just reposted, with a scanned image of the ribbons as they were originally posted, explaining in header that original image was removed from DNC website. Woohoo. Posted by: katomar on December 9, 2005 02:26 PM
Yes, it was ugly. And it has Paul Berendt's name at the bottom! I guess it's a good time for him to be leaving! Posted by: katomar on December 9, 2005 04:22 PM
I won't let it happen again, asshole.
Posted by: ERNurse on December 9, 2005 05:19 PMbut at least the WA Dems are being honest. I always knew there was hatred for christianity lurking underneath the surface there with too many of those folks. Oh well. the world might as well see the truth, eh?
Posted by: Michele on December 9, 2005 06:45 PMActually, I think the more Christian Democrats that know about this the better -- so they can see where they rate with their party in the 'diversity' schema. We should order a bunch of these putrid stickers and hand them out at church -- making sure everyone knows where we got them.
Posted by: starboardhelm on December 9, 2005 10:03 PMHelp me out...
Perhaps Stefan could post it too!
In this case, a picture is worth a million words!
OUCH! Posted by: Mr. Cynical on December 9, 2005 10:16 PM
http://deltamikecharlie.blogspot.com/2005/12/if-democrats-arent-anti-christian-then.html
And the original image:
http://www.washingtongop.net/images/DemocratChristianHaters.jpg
Posted by: starboardhelm on December 9, 2005 10:28 PMIn a recent interview, General Norman Schwartzkopf was asked if he didn't think there was room for forgiveness toward the people who have harbored and abetted the terrorists who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks on America.
His answer was classic - Schwartzkopf said, "I believe that forgiving them is God's function. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting."
Heh heh.
Posted by: starboardhelm on December 9, 2005 10:32 PMAlan will just say it's being "taken out of context". I was just wondering if the DNC thinks there are no Christian Democrats? DNC's gone rabid. Posted by: katomar on December 9, 2005 10:33 PM
How would you explain the traditional Christian symbol of the fish with a cross at the head of it and with flames and the word “Hypocrite” emblazoned across it that’s being sold on the Washington State Democrats website?
The CLOWNS who preach tolerance and diversity sure have a lot of explaining to do!
Posted by: Mr. Cynical on December 9, 2005 10:39 PMThat's why liberal 'Rats are really the hypocrites in all this. They preach "tolerance" and "diversity", but only if you agree with them. If you don't, you're demonized and maginalized. For the 'Rats, "tolerance" and "diversity" does not apply for conservatives and Republicans. I don't know about you, but it's been my experience that the so-called "liberals" I have know have been the most intolerant, hate-filled, bigoted, hypocritical, and downright mean-spirited and miserable people I have ever known.
Posted by: Interested Observer on December 10, 2005 06:59 AMLets not make something out of nothing.
Davey
Posted by: Davey on December 10, 2005 01:39 PMof course, that would be just as insulting and silly as a car magnet
Posted by: Misty on December 10, 2005 05:16 PMStefan, please list the names of all the illegally registered voters at these office buildings so we can mail them a few choice words.
Posted by: JD on December 11, 2005 05:08 PMIt's what the voter claims (implausibly) for their actual residence. Nobody is disputing your right to receive mail at a business address as long as you are registered at your proper residence.
Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on December 13, 2005 10:49 PM