Feh.
UPDATE: I have deleted a ridiculous and incendiary comment by a fake "Stefan Sharkansky," and several responses to same by a commenter who should have known better.
I suggest that they re-read the book of Genesis...as in "Sodom & Gomorrah"
Posted by: Susu on November 20, 2005 09:40 PMJohn McCain, the great senator from Arizona said it best, "....we won't always be in power...". Might be wise for you all to remember that come next years elections. Bush is a lame duck, with a 38 percent approval rating. Where I come from, that is a failing grade.
Wait....I am talking to uptight Republicans, moral compass commandos who label everyone that dares to disagree as unpatriotic devil consorts.
Before you go off on me know this. My son is an Army Ranger, he is Jewish, he like his father is a moderate Democrat. He has a government job, he does his duty with pride and love of, and for, his country. He makes no complaint about policy. He does his job, better and with more pride than any of you who are reading this (service members are exempt from the preceeding comment).
We love this country and he places his life and the biggest part of my heart in the line of fire everyday in Afganistan and Iraq. Not just once, but repeatedly. He lives, breathes and embodies the Ranger Creed. https://www.benning.army.mil/rtb/RANGER/creed.htm
I am not talking figuratively here, I am talking reall bullets and bombs. So the next time someone on this blog goes off on liberals and the big government jobs that they all have, remember my son and all the sons and daughters wearing the uniforms of this country. They are not all Republicans.
Dug
Posted by: DugoutNut on November 21, 2005 12:47 AMOh and......
Fake Stephan, you are a child.
Dug the idiot. You are ranting at a child you fool.
Please remember, it was the LIB's who put it in NAM and then refused to let us do our jobs.
Glad to hear your son is serving our fine country, as many of us REP have also done.
I suspect you were trying to make a religious commentary about the fact that they are both liberal, but you will just end up confusing people -- which is the last thing that readers of this blog need.
Posted by: Bruce on November 21, 2005 07:04 AM
First...your son doesn't have a government job...he's a Ranger. That's not a job. The guy who drives Ron Sim's car has a government job.
Second, I'd worry about your son hanging around all those soldiers. He may actually support George Bush.
As for the hateful comments above, no citizen soldier should be disrespected. Idiotic parents, however, (think: Sheehan) have no such automatic protection.
I'm not saying dug is an idiot, but if he wants to act like one, he should keep his son's honor out of it. To do otherwise is in and of itself both disgraceful and cowardly.
Posted by: Patrick E. Bell on November 21, 2005 07:49 AMAlito is going to be confirmed.
A few Dem's might think to learn how to make nice on troop withdrawl and come up with solutions instead of spending their days looking for ways to embarass the president.
I'm personally in favor of tightening the purse strings to that agency of corruption we know as the UN in order to mitigate some of the costs.
Posted by: Andy on November 21, 2005 09:33 AMdougoutnut,
RLTW! You should be proud of your son. He is keeping us safe. Soldiers come in all shapes, sizes, faiths, sexes, and political persuasions.
The Army doesn't endorse political candidates. They do encourage soldiers to vote, but they are very non-partisian.
Being new to this blog, I had no way of knowing who posted the comment. I could not let it go unanswered. By the way, I am sure that DG did not post under Stefan's name.
Thank you, again,
Dug
Posted by: DugoutNut on November 21, 2005 05:07 PMWhile you are now get a taste of the reality that I was raised with, my father went to Veitnam not once but twice. This is not new. I had to deal with a man running up to me (6 yr old) at the airport and tell me that my dad was a "Baby Killer". He did not know that my Dad was an Air traffic Controller and got his Bronze Star during Tet.
This did not stop me from serving my self after I graduated. I also know what it is like, to be somewhere that you can not shoot back even though you are being shot at, during my own service time. My current job also deals with the military. I have sent relatives, freinds and neighbors to both Gulf Wars and one is serving his 2nd tour in Iraq now.
This said my problem with liberals is: "they" assume that only they can speak for "the little people", like those in the military.
I am not trying to denigrate your son's service but Dug it is not a sheild either. Your aurguments must stand on there own and should not be needing a crutch.
Mike
Liberals lie about such stuff when they think they can gain politically from it.
And even if he has a son, and even if that son is serving in the military Dug could be lying about his son's politics.
Dug said "remember my son and all the sons and daughters wearing the uniforms of this country. They are not all Republicans."
Well, no they aren't all Republicans, but I sincerely doubt they are liberals. Liberals hate our country with all their heart and soul. There is nothing I believe stronger than that.
The liberals hate our country even more than al Quada does and in the end are far more dangerous.
Posted by: Luke on November 21, 2005 10:02 PMThe HELL YOU ARE DUG. You are only against censorship when it censors you and your liberal friends from their hate America rants.
You love it when you are in control of the censorship. Like Xing out the Vice President. Think that's funny.
Damn you.
And for all you damn conservatives out there who are more offended by my tone than what the liberals are doing to America.
Well damn you too. Obviously you don't understand how serious it all is. Obviously you don't understand the extent of the damage the liberals have done to America otherwise you would be as angry about it as I am.
Or don't you care about what the liberals are doing to America? They are much more dangerous than al Quada and hate America much more than al Quada does as well.
You said "Soldiers come in all shapes, sizes, faiths, sexes, and political persuasions."
While of course they aren't all Republicans you really think that there are any liberal Democrats there?
If there is, they are only there to harm the military. They hate America don't forget. They really deep deep down hate America.
If you don't understand that then you know absolutely nothing about politics. You obviously haven't been paying attention.
Posted by: Luke on November 21, 2005 10:23 PMI served in the Army for 30 years. My name should have given you a clue. SGM is short for Sergeant Major. There are some extremely liberal Democrats in the Army on Active Duty and in the National Guard and in the Reserves.
I worked with a real extreme liberal in Texas that did her best to convince me to join the ACLU. She was trying to save the kid in Singapore from getting caned. I told her if he destroyed my car, I'd beat him.
I don't think I am an incredibly stupid person for stating the truth. You may want to believe that all liberals hate this country and the military, but there are some out there that simply don't.
I have had interesting and intelligent conversations with liberals on this blog site and I had one last night with an interesting character on HA.
I am not Ann Coulter and while I find her funny and a riot to watch on TV, I don't subscribe to the current hatred going on between Democrats and Republicans. It simply doesn't accomplish anything and it seems to be getting worse every day. Where will it end?
I have read blogs where people have bragged about leaving a woman with a van full of kids stranded on the Interstate with a flat tire because she had a Bush sticker on her car, they've bragged about fipping people off for bumper stickers and some have even tried to run people off of the road. I've read all kinds of hate filled crap that is totally and completely senseless which makes me wonder what kind of a society we have become with thugs and tyrants, who are rude callous people treating their neighbors like they are the devil in disguise.
Is it okay to steal someone's political sign out of their yard? Is it okay to destroy your neighbor's property because they have a 101ST Airborne flag flying?
The bloggers here try very hard to present issues to discuss and information to the public. They are not here whipping up support for hatred and violence. There is enough illegal activity going on in Washington State to keep people busing trying to expose the truth for years. There is serious corruption throughout this state, in all levels of government, local, state, and federal too.
Democrats have the far left and Republicans have the far right, and there are many millions who inbetween those two extremes. The far right and the far left can both do damage to our society.
Have a nice night!
sgmmac, you have proven my point about the Left. You talk about all these things that liberals have done to conservatives? Where is the stuff that conservatives did to liberals. I am sure if you look hard, very hard, you might find some incident that might compare to what the liberals do but that would be rare.
But still you said "The far right and the far left can both do damage to our society. "
WHERE? You give both sides moral equvalence after listing all the stuff the liberals did? Where is your list of all the stuff the conservatives bragged about doing against the liberals. Perhaps you might find it but not in the volume you would find it with the liberals doing stuff to conservaives
THAT IS WHAT OFFENDS ME SO MUCH. PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE ME AS ANGRY IF NOT ANGRIER THAN THE LEFT.
"neighbors like they are the devil in disguise".
My neighbors are the devil, but they are disguising it less effectly each day. You have seen some of this evil yourself but still you go on with "Both sides do it".
Well, BOTH SIDES DON'T DO IT. At least not even close to the same extent.
And DAMN YOU FOR SAYING OTHERWISE.
Posted by: Luke on November 21, 2005 11:52 PMWhat offends you? The decade upon decade upon decade of hatred the Democrats have been spouting out against the Republicans?
Or the fact that we are just beginning, just beginning to throw back some of what they have been throwing at us for decades?
Posted by: Luke on November 21, 2005 11:58 PMWhat powerful logic! Of course it's entirely Bush's choice who he nominates, but it is entirely the Senate's choice whether to confirm. Your blind support means that your "endorsement" is devoid of content.
Posted by: Bruce on November 21, 2005 11:59 PMIT WON'T END! What part of that didn't you get? The liberals will do whatever it takes to win. Whatever it takes.
The liberals really are evil, and yes, I know the meaning of that word. They are evil!
They are the devil!
Posted by: Luke on November 22, 2005 12:04 AMBlind faith is a dangerous thing for both sides of the isle. There is the far right and the far left, but 80% of the country falls into the middle.
Extreme-ism is very dangerous. Wars have been started over far less than what is exchanged here.
Dug
Posted by: DugoutNut on November 22, 2005 12:27 AMBlind faith is a dangerous thing for both sides of the isle. There is the far right and the far left, but 80% of the country falls into the middle.
Extreme-ism is very dangerous. Wars have been started over far less than what is exchanged here.
Dug
Posted by: DugoutNut on November 22, 2005 12:27 AMEvil? I am not evil. I am middle of the road kind of guy. I think that government has no business in the bedroom. I think that government has no business legislating morality (abortion, gay marriage).
I believe in a strong military. I fully understand the cost of freedom. I know that unlike any other nation on earth, Americans understand that cost of freedom is sometimes paid for with the lives of our youngest, brightest and bravest. I accept this with a heavy heart and deep felt gratitude for what these brave souls have given me.
I also know it is wrong to use war as a political springboard. To say that anyone opposed to the war in Iraq is un-American is un-American in itself. Remember this, the opposition once threw tea into Boston Harbor.
Open discussion is perhaps the greatest gift our forefathers bestowed upon us. If we shout down the other side with catcalls and name calling, well, we become nothing more than a poor man's British Parliament.
Dug
Posted by: DugoutNut on November 22, 2005 12:38 AMHad Roosevelt acted after "Krystal knocht", when Hitler went after the German Jews. What would the change in the length and cost of WWII have been? But we waited and Poland fell. We waited until Pearl Harbor.
In reality, we should be glad that Saddam did not have any more WMD's then he had already used on the Kurd's and Iran. To believe that he would not continue to get such weapons is to deny that actions of the man. Saddam made no denial that he was actively pursuing that procurement of WMD's. He also acted as a safe haven for any arabic terrorist group that could pay him. Remember there was a 707 used in one Iraq terrorist training camp, see http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/
So the answer is: We ARE better off with Saddam out of power.
Posted by: Mike P on November 22, 2005 06:06 AMAnd that is simply not true. The Left has an intense hatred of America.
It's HOW you oppose the war that matters.
It is sad that so many don't know the difference between legitimate public discourse and sedition.
Posted by: Luke on November 22, 2005 08:33 AMThat tactic has served the liberals well for years.
Sorry, but I am not willing to restrict my tactics in the way you suggest.
You bet. And I do consider ourselves at a state of war. Not the violent kind, but war none the less.
We are more divided today than we were during the Civil War.
But just because we aren't shooting at each other don't you think for a moment that there hasn't been casualties. The liberals have done things over the years that have caused much pain, even resulting in deaths.
No, I take this "Civil War" quite seriously. I am not urging violence as at this point it would be counterproductive, but I am under no illusions about the lengths Liberals will go on behalf of their ideology.
Posted by: Luke on November 22, 2005 08:44 AM-- Barry M. Goldwater
It doesn't matter whether a regular citizen supports a SCOTUS nominee. What matters is how the Senate committee votes and how the whole senate votes when it is brought to the floor. Every special interest group in America is wasting millions selling their pitches for or against Alito. Whatever you or I or anyone else thinks is irrelevant. He is a superbly qualified conservative Judge. What everyone wants to know is how he will vote on Roe V Wade and civil rights. During his hearings, he will be grilled by both sides, that's their job, not mine.
If conservatives are placing all of their hopes on him overturning Roe V Wade, I think they will be disappointed. I don't think it will EVER happen. Stari Decisis applies to Roe V Wade very well, whether or not Roe is good precedent. If it should somehow get overturned, it won't stop abortions, state laws will still prevail. Women will NOT go back to back street abortions with butchers!
Luke, some of the things I mentioned were done by Republicans, as well as Democrats. In the 04 election, Republicans from a PAC were caught throwing away registrations from Democrats in Nevada. And yes, Democrats were also caught in other places, BOTH parties have done things that are illegal, immoral, and flat out wrong in their zealotry for their party.
Have a nice night!
Posted by: sgmmac on November 23, 2005 01:30 AMWhile once in a while you might find something like that with the Republicans, it is far, far more common with the liberals.
Your effort to say that we are as bad as the liberals is quite offensive indeed. The truth is by trying to downplay what the liberals do by claiming that we do it to the same degree that they do, you are no better than the liberals and I put you in the same camp as the other "devils in disguses". In fact you are worst because some people might mistake what you are all about.
Posted by: Luke on November 23, 2005 06:10 AMIf I had Dean Logan's job, I would not cheat, allow illegal ballots to be counted, etc, to ensure "my guy" won........... I want fair and honest elections, and that my friend is both sides.
Sam Reed is a Republican and he gave away a job to a friend (Handy), an unqualified friend. This crap has to go, whether or not it's Republican or Democrat.
You can damn me all you want, I don't know you, but I do know that I will NOT lie, cheat, or steal to get a Republican into office. I will not sacrifice my morals or values for the sake of partisianship! So, get over it!
Posted by: sgmmac on November 23, 2005 09:43 AMYOU JUST CHANGED THE SUBJECT.
We were not discussing politicians in public office, where I would agree that both parties do it. In fact it seems like we don't have any true Republicans left. Both parties collaborate with each other against the interests of the citizens of our state.
I didn't vote for Sam Reed because I knew that he had been the head of a group called "the Mainstream Republicans of Washington State". They are basically what we call RINOS which stands for "Republicans in Name Only."
If the Democrats put up a half way strong candidate next time, Sam Reed is gone. Except for his RINO friends, most Republicans won't be able to bring themselves to vote for him next time around.
Now here is what we were discussing.
"I have read blogs where people have bragged about leaving a woman with a van full of kids stranded on the Interstate with a flat tire because she had a Bush sticker on her car, they've bragged about fipping people off for bumper stickers and some have even tried to run people off of the road. I've read all kinds of hate filled crap that is totally and completely senseless which makes me wonder what kind of a society we have become with thugs and tyrants, who are rude callous people treating their neighbors like they are the devil in disguise. "
And then you state that both conservatives and liberals use these angry tactics to the same extent.
And that is the lie I said Damn you about. That is the lie that confirmed it for me that you are the Devil in disguise.
Posted by: Luke on November 23, 2005 10:02 AMNo, partisianship is no reason to sacrifice your morals or values.
But there are things that are.
Would you sacrifice your morals or values for the sake of your family?
Would you sacrifice your morals or values for the sake of your country?
Posted by: Luke on November 23, 2005 10:06 AMNow don't change the subject again I am not talking about politicians here.
Damn you for perpetuating that lie.
Not all the time, but most of the time.
95 percent of the time.
Posted by: Luke on November 23, 2005 12:18 PMAbsolute power corrupts, absolutely.
Again, Tom Delay, Bill Frist, Scooter Libby, Karl Rove....... Before you jump off the deep end, it happens with each political party when they are in power.
Again, this country's politics are 60 percent centrist. Each side side can claim 20 percent hard core lefties and righties. But the 60 percent call the shots. When they detect unfairness, when they smell something wrong, they hold the power to change the course.
I dislike being classified as a liberal, but my politics do tend that way. I have voted for Republicans in the past (something that will not occur again, even though I honestly believe that Sen John McCain is the most qualified man to be the next President). I won't vote Republican for two simple reasons.
1. The attack on judges and the interference of Congress in the Terri Schiavo (sp?) case. The judiciary is sacred and must function without threat of the legislative body. Judges are to rule on the law and from their hearts. They are charged with doing what is right, not what is popular.
2. The threat of the "nuclear option" as an answer to the filibuster. Sen. McCain said that he would not vote for it because Republicans will not always be in power. I agree. If you set this rule now, you will be crying in the years to come when it bites Republicans in the ass.
That 60 percent centrist vote demands fairness and when it senses unfairness or dishonesty, well, they just give the other guys a shot.
Happy Thanksgiving. I thank God every day that we live in a country where we can freely speak our minds and live in freedom.
Dug
Posted by: dugoutNut on November 23, 2005 10:07 PMAs for Terri Schiavo, you shouldn't believe what you heard or saw printed in the press. The Schiavo case is truly amazing. I have never seen such corruption in one story. It was hijacked by the Pro-life and Right to Die fanatics and the Right to Die guys won. I have problems with Judge Greer who accepted campaign contributions from attorney's representing Michael Schiavo and then rule in his favor. You didn't get the whole truth with Schiavo, you got a glimmer, because the press won't print the truth.
How many News outlets told you that the Govenor of Louisiana refused to let in the Salvation Army and the Red Cross? How many News outlets told you that people, Black people walked down the Interstate to the border of another state and police men from that state stood guard and in several cases fired shots at them and told them to go back to New Orleans? They were too busy bashing the Bush Admin and Brownie to tell you the truth.
Posted by: sgmmac on November 24, 2005 05:56 AM