November 18, 2005
Read my lips

Sound Transit claims it can extend light rail to Husky Stadium without raising taxes. How will this financial perpetuum mobile actually work?

the project hinges on getting a $700 million federal subsidy to ease the pain of the $1.45 billion cost for construction and trains. The local share would include $550 million in bonds repaid by sales and car-tab taxes.
So in addition to crowding out other uses of the existing taxes (which would create pressure to raise taxes to pay for other things), Sound Transit will use "monoraillike financial techniques" to stretch out the interest payments in exchange for horrendous extra costs in future years that are safely hidden today.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at November 18, 2005 10:29 AM | Email This
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1. The Monorail was run by folks who thought that by making the 'minimum payment' on a credit card balance they could coast along as if life was cheap - while their ultimate balance bloated beyond belief.

And now the lord high Sound Transit nobility has apparently fallen for the same shucking and jiving. Or they think that the public is so stupid as to believe such garbage.

Even Horsey in today's P-I was sneering at folks who pass on vast debts to their kids - exactly what the Monorail/Sound Transit finance plans guarantee, if not chopped off smartly.

But maybe Horsey's financial probity is not to be applied to the Democrats who preen themselves over the antidemocratic virtues of Sound Transit?

Posted by: Hank Bradley on November 18, 2005 11:03 AM
2. And where, pray tell, does the money titled "federal subsidy" come from? YOU and ME!

When will these people realize there is no way to tax anybody but "Joe six-pack"?

Since the only TRUE commodity is people's "life energy" it is therefore the source of all wealth.

By the way, check out this math. If you live to be 85 years old, you will only live 745,110 hours. (85 x 365.25 x 24). Every dollar they take from me means they take some of those precious hours away. If you calculate your working-hours instead, the available resources are even smaller. Something in the neighborhood of 100,000 hours. ([50 working years] x [50 weeks a year] x [40 hours a week].)

Kind of puts a new spin on things doesn't it?

Posted by: Jeremy on November 18, 2005 11:21 AM
3. Stefan,

You are dead right. Please keep up the pressure. This one will be really really costly.

Posted by: Kip German on November 18, 2005 11:31 AM
4. Or to put it another way if one makes the National average of just over $30,000 and works fro thirty years, that my frends adds up to a million. And a Billion is a thousand of these millions. So when libs say that x, y or z is a good investment ask yourself just how many lives is it worth. The viaduct -> tunnel sounds to me like about 4,000 lives if we believe their estimates, or more like quite a few more than 10,000 lives if we look to Boston as an example.

Posted by: JDH on November 18, 2005 11:34 AM
5. I am boiling mad about this new scheme (well, old trick by SMP). That aside, I gotta ask this. This $700 million federal subsidy, is this in addition to the "approved" $500 million ,or is it additional $200 million with $500 million already in the pipe?

When this federal subsidy is denied, we all know what that means. More taxes. Grrrrrrrrr, I just can't take it any more.

Posted by: C. Oh on November 18, 2005 11:54 AM
6. Stefan
1) Even though I voted for Sound Transit, they are incompetent.
2) Their CFO is incompetent and doesn't pay contracrers on time. See the PSBJ website.
3) Joni Earl is incompetent. She was divorced 3 times by her husbands.
4) Rons Simms could f*ck up a wet dream.

Posted by: Green Lake Mark on November 18, 2005 12:01 PM
7. Enough!!! We are not made of money...government needs to stop spending all of mine!

Posted by: dl on November 18, 2005 12:24 PM
8. JDH,

Wow, that's another great way to look at it!

Do you think they'd accept the loss of even 10 lives during construction as "acceptable losses"?

Not hardly!

Posted by: Jeremy on November 18, 2005 12:30 PM
9. JDH - and that is BEFORE all the other taxes! (SS, Medicare, state, sales, gasoline, utility, telephone, hazardous waste disposal, .....)

Posted by: fred on November 18, 2005 12:37 PM
10. Thanks Stefan fro keeping up the pressure!

Posted by: Laurie on November 18, 2005 01:36 PM
11. cutting ordinary bus service, for one. Can't prove it yet -- but I am certain that two bus times in the am that I used to take to work "disappeared" -- and further service has been cut in half after 7 30 pm near where I live --

Posted by: Lew on November 18, 2005 01:53 PM
12. Seldom does a day go by that there isn't at least one article in each of the local papers lamenting the budget "crises" that practically every Government agency in the area is currently experiencing.

What I see is not so much one budget crisis after another as one leadership crisis after another.

These agencies continue to be headed by wastrels who throw the citizens money down one rat hole after another for no apparent benefit to the citizenry.

What is even worse is when corrupt pols enhance their own investments by flooding them with service such as redundant public transit options while most of the City and County are still either unserved or underserved.

A case in point is the continued operation of Express bus service by Sound Transit to 10th & Commerce when the service is made redundant by
the Tacoma Link Light Rail.

My best estimate is that this uses up over 2500 service hours that could be better used serving other places.

These buses also clog traffic and tear up the City streets with buses that are not providing a tangible benefit to the citizenry.

Rest assured I do not object to buses being
operated on the City streets, but I do object to them being so operated when there isn't any public benefit to doing so.

Some of these buses do serve the County City
Building as well, but the riders who use this stop can walk a few blocks to work, it will do their big fat hind-ends some good to walk the three or four blocks.

If you really want to know what this is all about this is it in a nut shell... there is a clique of Tacoma/Pierce pols that are hold a stake in/have members of their family who have a stake in/have bussiness associates in on every one of the significant redevelopments happening along these redundant routes. It speaks for itself.

Posted by: JDH on November 18, 2005 02:19 PM
13. JEDI JULIE ANDERSON, YOU HAVE LEARNED THE WAY OF THE TRANSIT FORCE ...YOUR MASTER DARTH "KEVIN PHELPS" VADER HAS TOUGHT YOU WELL. THE DARK SIDE HAS ITS POLITICAL ADVANTAGES...IT DOES...MMMMMMM

Posted by: TACOMA PHLASH on November 18, 2005 02:50 PM
14. ST is about to get slammed by the Supreme Court. When the second I-776 decision comes out (probably in May of 2006), the Court will order ST to put all the MVET revenues collected since the I-776 effective date toward retiring the 1999 bonds, and the only thing future MVET collections will be allowed for is to pay off the balance owed on that bond contract. Instead of 23 more years of ST car tab taxes, there will be 7 or 8 more years only. As Justice Johnson recently put it: "securities laws will sanction any diversion [from paying off that 1999 debt]."

Posted by: strombus on November 18, 2005 02:53 PM
15. PHLASH,
Julie Anderson may as go around with a rubber glove stretched over her head and a feather duster stuck up her but. She impresses me as queene of the do-do birds here in America's #1 weird city.

Posted by: JDH on November 18, 2005 03:04 PM
16. HEY JDH

DID YOU READ IN THE TACOMA DAILY INDEX THAT THE CITY OF TACOMA HAS A SURPLUS IN THE CITY TAX COFFERS.
INSTEAD OF SPENDING DOWN THE $35 MILLION DEBT OR HEAVEN FORBID GIVE BACK TO THE TAX-PAYER,JULIE WANTS TO START UP SOME NEW ADVISORY COMMITEE.

Posted by: TACOMA PHLASH on November 18, 2005 03:37 PM
17. A decade ago...that was prior to the big "visualize Tacoma" push, Tacoma had the highest possible bond rating and credit. today it is in the toilet. The infrastructure is falling apart while the pols transfer money into their own pockets through sweetheart deals that they are in on. Not all of them are involved, but a significant number are. How about we start by buying down some of the flipping debt these criminals have hung around our collective neck, so that we can re finance the remainder and start to get out from beneith of it.

Posted by: JDH on November 18, 2005 03:46 PM
18. Didn't the federal government ALREADY give them half a billion in the last couple years????

Posted by: Michele on November 18, 2005 08:52 PM
19. ...and why should car tab taxes pay for light rail???

Posted by: Michele on November 19, 2005 02:59 AM
20. Good ? Michelle.I think alot of us wonder about that?!

Posted by: Laurie on November 19, 2005 09:27 AM
21. Good ? Michelle.I think alot of us wonder about that?!

Posted by: Laurie on November 19, 2005 09:27 AM
22. OOps! Sorry for repeat post.

Posted by: Laurie on November 19, 2005 09:29 AM
23. I thought the idea of car tab fees was eliminated a few years ago.It seems to be the new end all solution anytime King County needs more money.I dont want to go back to $900 to license my truck.I guess King county is saying you dont deserve a nice vehicle without paying our ransome.Time to sell and get the hell out of King county.

Posted by: DW Smith on November 20, 2005 04:58 PM
24. I'm sure that another lane on I-5 to carry a tenth of the traffic of the light rail line would be a much better investment of money than the extension of Link to Northgate. Oh, wait... we can't build downtown lanes on I-5 without taking out the convention center (driving away business interests) and probably tearing down a skyscraper. Even without these things, light rail is still cheaper than building another lane - and another lane won't alleviate traffic problems, as every study commissioned since the seventies on the subject has shown.

Posted by: Ben Schiendelman on November 21, 2005 10:19 AM
25. By the way... when I stop paying sales taxes for your roads, perhaps you'll have an argument against paying car tab fees for my rails. As it stands, you are more heavily subsidized in your car than any railway in the nation.

Posted by: Ben Schiendelman on November 21, 2005 10:20 AM
26. ST's MVET is going away very soon, Ben. Word.

Posted by: Ron Artest on November 21, 2005 10:47 AM
27. I always get a kick out of conservatives who endlessly whine about spending money on real infrastructure right here at home (I-912), yet they don't issue a single peep about all the tens of billions of taxdollars (and lives) their majestic leader is flushing down the toilet in Iraq.

Maybe if Sound Transit called the light rail project "the Baghdad subway," all the right wingers at SP would get on board the train.

But, why invest our tax dollars at home, when some theocrat or warlord could use that very same dough for valuable projects to enhance their future power base in _______ ,(name that town) Iraq? Plus, some future neocon President will probably end up bombing and destroying that very same Halliburton make-work / public works project our tax dollars are currently building right now.

FYI, Stefan: I see the P-I issued a correction to this story. Turns out the finance plan wasn't "monorail like" at all, and the State Treasurer Murphy agrees.

God forbid a right wing blog would ever correct its blatant misinformation in tow! That would go against everything SP stands for!

The paragraph Stefan re-posted is now gone. Oops! In its place:


The debt service to capital ratio will increase but still is well within Murphy's standard and well below the monorail project's.

Sound Transit will borrow only about a third of the cost of the line -- $566 million. It will pay $1.25 billion in interest costs attributable to the University Link project. The ratio of debt service -- defined as principle plus interest -- to capital cost is 1.25.

Despite deferring principal payments, Sound Transit's debt would still be 30-year debt.

(Editor's Note: The preceding four paragraphs were replaced from the original version of this story in order to clarify financial information.)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/248845_transit18.html

Just another day in the creative reality land we've all come to know and love at SP!

Posted by: GregL on November 23, 2005 01:09 AM
28. "As Justice Johnson recently put it: "securities laws will sanction any diversion [from paying off that 1999 debt]." "

Hey, is that the same Jim Johnson who wrote most of Tim Eyman's initiatives? The same hack who was so sloppy, half of them were thrown out by the very court he now sits on? (now that he's off Team Eyman, it appears they have more competent legal counsel, and can actually write initiatives that don't get tossed out after a week)

And because Johnson wrote the flawed I-776, doesn't that mean he won't have a vote when it comes before the Supreme Court?

Word.

Posted by: GregL on November 23, 2005 01:19 AM
29. Let me guess . . . Sound Transit is using the firm Preston, Gates, Abramoff and Scanlon to whine to the Supreme Court that I-776 should not apply to it, right?

Posted by: Twozer on November 23, 2005 09:42 AM
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