October 28, 2005
King County employee using work computer to campaign for Ron Sims

This was just posted as a comment on an earlier entry:

Ron is a kind, intelligent, and caring individual who has the best interest of his constituents always on the forefront of his agenda. He has a proven track record of fighting for noble humanitarian causes and of being a bipartisan leader.

David, whom has his merits, I found to be a condescending, rude, abrupt and vitriolic person who obviously has an agenda that he wishes to pursue. Which brings me to my point, who would you rather have in office?

On one side you have a man who puts the needs of the local citizens above all else when establishing and initiating public policy. On the other you have a man who is self serving, and apparently working for special interests groups when involved in policy making.

It's not my job to educate you, so I sight no examples. If you don't believe me, do some research and find out for yourself. If you choose to remain in the dark, that is entirely up to you. But continuing with this rumor banter and following the lead of the idiocy that spawned this and so many other threads is ludicrous. You do yourself and your community a disservice by aiding in the spreading of these untruths.

Now to preempt your disregard of my post as being a democratic_sims_fanboy rambling, I can tell you, I have no political agenda, I am aligned with no political party, and my only concern is that we have proper representation in the elected offices that we vote for.

The comment was posted from King County government IP address 146.129.186.108.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at October 28, 2005 11:54 AM | Email This
Comments
1. It is not surprising with all the time they have to waste in government that they would be campaigning on our nickel.

To his point:

RURAL King County residents did their research as the individual said, and Sims Lost! He takes our land and we take his votes.

Simple math!

Posted by: GS on October 28, 2005 12:05 PM
2. Heh.

Posted by: ScottM on October 28, 2005 12:12 PM
3. It would be interesting to setup a honey pot website with some Goldstein like juicy anti-Irons tidbits to collect IP addresses. I'm sure there are a lot more King County employees out there wasting time on our dime. A lot of them are probably dumb enough to sign a petition or otherwise give up their credentials while using a government computer.

Posted by: Jeff B. on October 28, 2005 12:14 PM
4. Aside from the legal aspects of using county equipment for political purposes, whoever this person is they might want to finish high school!

The word is "cite" and not "sight." And never use a preposition at the end of a sentance.

Posted by: David M. Hartzell on October 28, 2005 12:18 PM
5. I wonder if he/she thinks "the needs of the local citizens above all else when establishing and initiating public policy" includes fair and open elections?

Posted by: ItTakesAVillageToConveneAGrandJury on October 28, 2005 12:19 PM
6. IP 146.129.186.108 seems to be offline for now, too. Stefan got somebody's attention... again.

Posted by: huckleberry on October 28, 2005 12:32 PM
7. This person is so "A" typical of what liberals are in King County.
I like Ron, he's a nice guy , he cares, etc...
I hate Jeremy, he's mean, he does not discuss
his feelings, he does not care like I do...

Just another load of BS.
Mussilini got the trains to run on time......he cared. That did not stop him from aligning with Hitler.

And lets not forget the "I have no political agenda, I am aligned with no political party,".

Most liberals do not label themselves as Democrat. Since the Democratic party is not feverently pushing the Socalist Agenda.

Posted by: MikeP on October 28, 2005 12:32 PM
8. David H:
I agree. And the use of "whom" was incorrect. I find that people who have an inadequate knowledge of grammar always misuse "whom", trying to sound erudite and educated.

Posted by: katomar on October 28, 2005 12:42 PM
9. I love this quote:

"Ron is a kind, intelligent, and caring individual who has the best interest of his constituents always on the forefront of his agenda. He has a proven track record of fighting for noble humanitarian causes and of being a bipartisan leader."

So this person admits that he should not be in government but at some charity. The purpose of our county government is not to chase "noble humanitarian causes", but to run an efficient fair open government for the people.

Posted by: fred on October 28, 2005 12:43 PM
10. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............
This writing style is eerily similiar to that of
DEAN LOGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dean knows darn well that if David Irons wins....his sorry a$$ is fired (immediately)!
I can just picture Ron Sims and Dean Logan locked up in a small KingCo closet with a flashlight and a laptop.....blogging in desperation!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on October 28, 2005 12:44 PM
11. Busted!
Is it coming from Logan's office? (snort snort)

Your tax dollars at work, folks. Great, ain't it?

Posted by: Misty on October 28, 2005 12:53 PM
12. King County has a vast number of computers they allow citizens to use, and grammatical errors are made in a lot of the posts prior to mine. Thanks.

Posted by: BestSeattleHastoOffer? on October 28, 2005 01:03 PM
13. David H.

Only the best and brightest will do to serve the pubic in KC.

Posted by: Dan on October 28, 2005 01:06 PM
14. and given the state of public education, he could have graduated with honors.

Posted by: Dan on October 28, 2005 01:07 PM
15. Quoting David Hartzell:

Aside from the legal aspects of using county equipment for political purposes, whoever this person is they might want to finish high school!

The word is "cite" and not "sight." And never use a preposition at the end of a sentance.

Good point, David, but I have to tease you here...maybe you should have finished high school as well. The word is "sentence" NOT "sentance".

;)

Posted by: Mr Write on October 28, 2005 01:12 PM
16. Sounds like "Best Seattle" is not only busted, but defensive, too! Most of the "grammatical errors" on this site are obvious typos, but yours are just plain ignorance.

Posted by: katomar on October 28, 2005 01:19 PM
17. Perhaps the writer was on their lunchbreak when they posted their response. Still, I disagree with much of the writer's response.

Posted by: Gary on October 28, 2005 01:21 PM
18. What kind of Kind, caring and a humanitarian sorta guy allows males to rape females? Did he think they couldn't possibly go without sex? Does he have any daughters? Is he selling them for favors too? He is a corrupt power monger dipping his hand and probably other body parts as well into a deep sinful well.

Toss him outta office!

Posted by: sgmmac on October 28, 2005 01:22 PM
19. Quoting BestSeattleHastoOffer:

King County has a vast number of computers they allow citizens to use…

I think that's a fair point, BSHTO. There’s no way at this point to know who wrote the note, so it is probably a stretch to ascribe it to a county employee writing from their work computer or to someone involved in Sims’ campaign.

I think the more important issue here is not so much the origin of the note, but its completely uncritical view of Executive Sims and the way he’s managed his office. This kind of blind loyalty to such an inept administration make the writer's statement, "I have no political agenda" completely unbelievable (and laughable).

Posted by: Mr Write on October 28, 2005 01:28 PM
20. George Bernard Shaw (and sometimes Winston Churchill) is attributed with the following comment regarding the "rule" that one should not end a sentence with a preposition: "That is something up with which I will not put."

That aside, the author of that post has more serious problems then his or her education - I question the person's intellegence.

I look forward to the results of the intensive internal investigation (to be conducted, no doubt, by a select task force) to find the person who is using a government computer for partisan political purposes.

Posted by: BJGadfly on October 28, 2005 01:36 PM
21. Oh oh. The word is "intelligence".

Posted by: BJGadfly on October 28, 2005 01:39 PM
22. Be careful fred, or Bruce will come on here claiming that the vast majority of the electorate disagrees with your assessment of the proper role of government.

But of course a liberal is more concerned with how people feel than with the rule of law.

Posted by: Danny on October 28, 2005 01:41 PM
23. I really don't care if Ron Sims has saved all the bunnies in the forrest from extinction...the point is that he has done a poor job as King County Executive. POOR begins with the CAO, Light Rail, um, and how about the Non-incorporated folks in King County having to pay lots more for their permits. This makes no sense. The $40 million computer fiasco, scandel, outrageous waste of tax payer dollars - whatever you want to call it, it's all a direct reflection on Ron and his POOR leadership as the King County Executive. Oh, and by the way, King County still needs a new computer solution. Dean Logan - WTF is he still doing with a job? The list goes on and on and on and on and on...

Posted by: Tinkerbell Hilton on October 28, 2005 01:50 PM
24. "IP 146.129.186.108 "

Stefan,

Is this one of the IP's from King County from previous post's?

I'm just trying to get a fix on whether or not they are all from the same building....(office,..depat,..desk....)

Posted by: Deborah on October 28, 2005 02:17 PM
25. 146.129.186.108, according to "whois" isn't from King County, but Municipality of Metro Seattle....

...so, City of Seattle

Posted by: FT on October 28, 2005 02:24 PM
26. 146.129.186.108 was seen walking in a trance saying "I need kool-aid. Please give me the kool-aid"

Posted by: PC on October 28, 2005 02:28 PM
27. Speaking of "Best's" post, since when is having an agenda a bad thing? Everyone has an agenda. If they don't they're probably dead! It's equivalent to the liberal attempt to turn the word "profit" into something evil. Get a grip! It's called politics, and all of politics is "agendas". You just vote for the agenda that suits you, and the Sims agenda is woefully lacking.

Posted by: katomar on October 28, 2005 02:30 PM
28. No suprise, My small town had an elected offical whose day job was as on the executive staff of Ron Sims. His communications, ordinance revisions and pot shots routinely came from his office computer. He also "suggested" that the council have a resolution supporting the old Referendum 51 and the re-election of Ron Sims in a previous election. The fish rots from the head down.

Posted by: Roscoe on October 28, 2005 02:33 PM
29. Public Records Request: The name of the person to whom IP 146.129.186.108 was assigned at the time of the post.

Could be fun!!!

Posted by: Jeremy on October 28, 2005 02:36 PM
30. FT:

The Municipality of Metropolitan Seattle is not Seattle.

It is the portions of Metropolitan King County that previously were Metro before the 1993 merger of the County and Metro government. (Metro's formal name was was the Municipality of Metropolitan Seattle).

So, the computer IP likely belongs to the Transportation or Wastewater Treatment Divisions. However, that is not absolutely the case, as county resources can be shared between departments.

The only absolute is that it is a County-owned computer, and the employee posting on a political blog using taxpayer resources is committing an act against county employment policy.

(BTW, Seattle is formally "The City of Seattle")

Posted by: Insider on October 28, 2005 02:38 PM
31. A King County government IP... like one from a King County Library!

Posted by: Ben Schiendelman on October 28, 2005 03:38 PM
32. A posting from a King county library address would be identifiable as such, as it would be coming from a KCLS.ORG address.

Posted by: Vexorg on October 28, 2005 03:49 PM
33. Location: United States [City: Kenmore, Washington]

Looking up 146.129.186.108 at whois.radb.net.

NOTE: More information appears to be available at AS2544.

route: 146.129.0.0/16
descr: City fo Seattle announcing for MetroKC
origin: AS3401
remarks: Metro KC's registered IP - announcing via City of Seattle AS3401
notify: ************@ci.seattle.wa.us
notify: **********@ci.seattle.wa.us
notify: ***************@metrokc.gov
mnt-by: MAINT-AS3401
changed: ***************@metrokc.gov 20011211
source: RADB

route: 146.129.0.0/16
descr: Metro King County Washington I-Net
admin-c: PA55-ARIN
tech-c: PA55-ARIN
origin: AS2544
remarks: Main addr space (transition fr AS3401)
notify: ***********@metrokc.gov
notify: ***************@metrokc.gov
notify: **************@metrokc.gov
notify: *****************@metrokc.gov
mnt-by: MAINT-AS2544
changed: ***************@metrokc.gov 20020315
source: RADB

route: 146.129.128.0/18
descr: Proxy-registered route object
origin: AS2544
remarks: auto-generated route object
remarks: this next line gives the robot something to recognize
remarks: L'enfer, c'est les autres
remarks:
remarks: This route object is for a Level 3 customer route
remarks: which is being exported under this origin AS.
remarks:
remarks: This route object was created because no existing
remarks: route object with the same origin was found, and
remarks: since some Level 3 peers filter based on these objects
remarks: this route may be rejected if this object is not created.
remarks:
remarks: Please contact *******@Level3.net if you have any
remarks: questions regarding this object.
mnt-by: LEVEL3-MNT
changed: ***@Level3.net 20030329
source: LEVEL3

[If E-mail address(es) were hidden on this page, you can click here to get the results with the E-mail address].

notify: greg.padden@metrokc.gov
notify: philip.attneave@metrokc.gov
notify: benjamin.grossman@metrokc.gov
notify: ed.mcpherson@metrokc.gov
notify: network.operations@metrokc.gov
notify: inet.operations@metrokc.gov
mnt-by: MAINT-AS2544
changed: philip.attneave@metrokc.gov 20040316
source: RADB


I'd say this originated from Metro KC...

Posted by: Deborah on October 28, 2005 03:53 PM
34. Exactly. The King County Library System is not a part of King County government. It is a seperate special purpose district, and does not cover the entire county.

Posted by: Insider on October 28, 2005 03:53 PM
35. Wow, you really should go off and do a public records request on this person. Then you should enter it in Excel, and spend the next year writing about it. And you wonder why the reporters have stopped calling....

Posted by: Justa Guy on October 28, 2005 03:55 PM
36. This may be from Metro KC Transit....?

Posted by: Deborah on October 28, 2005 04:01 PM
37. Maybe we could be like the Seattle MSM and just ignore the story because it doesn't fit with their prefered outcome. King County needs a massive over-haul and it will not happen with the current administration. RON BE GONE

Posted by: Justa Opinion on October 28, 2005 04:13 PM
38. Yeck! The grammar alone had me gagging, and I'm not too particular online, normally. Usage, kid, learn usage! It's "who" not "whom"! "Cite" not "sight". What the heck is "rumor banter"?

No kidding it's not his/her/its job to "educate" us - no education to spare. (Why don't people use the word "teach" anymore?)

And the logic (or lack of it) is simply flabbergasting. So, Irons has an agenda he's pursuing? Good on him! I approve of it! The corollary hanging there is that Sims doesn't have an agenda to pursue. This is a good thing?

Also, I can't imagine how Sims' pursuit of votes by appearing to support popular humanitarian and environmental causes is any less self-seving than Irons' pursuit of votes by vowing to clean up Sims' messes.

How can someone be so blind?

Posted by: starboardhelm on October 28, 2005 04:35 PM
39. The King County Council Chambers have free open Wifi.

Posted by: mogura on October 28, 2005 04:36 PM
40. Heh, Sentence = Sentance, oh the memory laziness of always using a spell checker......I remember the spelling of FoxPro code better than than I do english.

Posted by: David M. Hartzell on October 28, 2005 04:41 PM
41. A Whistle Blower complaint would probably get the person fired.

Posted by: Gil on October 28, 2005 05:16 PM
42. And a Ron Blower will get a promotion.

Posted by: Justa opinion on October 28, 2005 05:34 PM
43. Wow, you really should go off and do a public records request on this person. Then you should enter it in Excel, and spend the next year writing about it. And you wonder why the reporters have stopped calling....

Can someone please trace "Justa Guy"? I have a feeling it is someone close to the situation in King County, and I want to know for sure.

Posted by: Sailor Republica on October 28, 2005 06:27 PM
44. Not at all well-written. The writer demonstrates a very poor grasp of composition and structure. It looks to be written at about a sixth-brade level.

It has to be someone working for Sims. Nobody else is stupid enough to do this.

Posted by: ERNurse on October 28, 2005 06:35 PM
45. Trace away, sailor. I'm on a dial-up with a private ISP. And nobody would give a hoot who I am anyway. Not a party activist, not a government worker, none of your standard neo-con bug-a-boos. Just a citizen living on private sector employment.

Plus you're only off by about 180 miles.

What's it like when the fantasy world you live in starts to unravel? Turn on Fox, fix some popcorn and try to talk yourself into believing it's all some liberal plot rather than facing the truth?

Just wondering. I would find it unnerving. Maybe at least some of your neo-con brethren will realize they've been sold a bill of goods by the GOP, from the top down.

A sad day in American, in a way. My parting thought is that maybe we're ALL getting hosed, and we have more in common than we care to contemplate.

Posted by: Justa Guy on October 28, 2005 08:00 PM
46. Figures...the old double standard is alive and well in Washington. If Kirby & John make editorial comments to the public while at work, it is called a campaign contribution. If a democrat (lets assume) makes editorial comments to the public while at work, they are considered to be excercising their constitutional right to free speech.

Posted by: dl on October 28, 2005 08:30 PM
47. Quoting ERNurse:

Not at all well-written. The writer demonstrates a very poor grasp of composition and structure. It looks to be written at about a sixth-brade level.

It has to be someone working for Sims. Nobody else is stupid enough to do this.


Sixth brade level?!?! LOL! I'm sorry...that was a pretty funny mistake considering the content of your note. :)

Posted by: Mr Write on October 28, 2005 08:31 PM
48. Why not do a freedom of information request as to who has possession of the computer with the
King County government IP address 146.129.186.108 ???

Inquiring minds want, and have a right, to know...

Posted by: bulldozer on October 28, 2005 08:42 PM
49. In my world you wouldn't make a big deal out of an employee that made a mistake like that. You would make a big deal out of websites that like to secretly track people. 146.129 is a county subnet. IP addresses are easily spoofed, but maybe not in this case. If I knew Ron Sims IP address I could easily send you mail with his name and his IP address in the headers.

Most organizations I attend now, use DHCP addressing. Which if the IP is released, then it gets shared out to someone else in the organization. Proxy servers will also cloud this.

There are also public computers in King County. So it could be anyone. But not everyone is savvy in being careful about who they talk to.

You also might get some internal gossip if you stalk the county IP addresses more anonymously. But then also information has to be sifted more.

Posted by: holt on October 28, 2005 08:48 PM
50. "Why not do a freedom of information request as to who has possession of the computer with the
King County government IP address 146.129.186.108 ???"

Maybe we should email one of these ....?
They are listed as contacts for that IP addy...Maybe to report abuses?....

notify: greg.padden@metrokc.gov
notify: philip.attneave@metrokc.gov
notify: benjamin.grossman@metrokc.gov
notify: ed.mcpherson@metrokc.gov
notify: network.operations@metrokc.gov
notify: inet.operations@metrokc.gov
mnt-by: MAINT-AS2544
changed: philip.attneave@metrokc.gov 20040316

Posted by: Deborah on October 28, 2005 09:23 PM
51. Deborah--
Great hunting on this--

the scary part is the blatant use of public assets for political purposes; the scarier part is the grammar therein--testimony to the public school system; the scariest part will be the non-response by the so-called "watchdog media"--more like the responses of leftist posters here--"...yawn..."; no wonder people are jaded and give up;

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on October 28, 2005 09:51 PM
52. Jimmy....

Gotta love that WWW.DNSstuff.com site!
If I really wanted to find this fool...I could probably take my search farther.......but I think he's already wetting his pants....(snicker)...

As far as the media is concerned? Hah! They choose to be ignorant! Just look at their luke- warm coverage of the irrefutable evidence of fraud that's been uncovered since last November's election.....
To the media,...this is not about ratings, popularity or subscription sales...If it were - they would be ALL OVER these reports of election fraud... It's their purposeful denial and downplaying of it that makes me (and the general public) go "Hmmmm".

Makes you wonder *who* owns our media and *who* truly controls it.....

(unfortunately - I could probably substitute the word *media* in my post above with *Feds* and it would all still be relevant......sigh..

Posted by: Deborah on October 28, 2005 11:53 PM
53. Just to freak out...

BestSeattlehastooffer also visits this web site.

physics.wku.edu

Posted by: holt on October 29, 2005 01:25 AM
54. I imagine this person is also on the campaign contribution list to Ron Sims and not on David Irons list.

but again, I think it's a violation of the public trust to search out employees like this.

for those who wish to be more hidden.

1. Never post from work
2. From your command prompt.

ipconfig /?
ipconfig /releasse
ipconfig /renew

you need to be on DHCP

or better www.anonymizer.com

If I was gonna do this from work. I would do it from someone elses pc and type with my right hand, not my normal left hand typing style.

Posted by: holt on October 29, 2005 01:39 AM
55. Or mail the Elections office and the Council and the KCE office with actual questions and see if the mail headers have IP addresses in them when they come back.

typing with my rite hand. There is no privacy for people anymore. People are funny, they want their own stuff hidden completely and everyone elses exposed. And as if it was a natural right. but eventually no one will want to talk to you.

Posted by: holt on October 29, 2005 01:53 AM
56. I actually know Phil Attneave, so you would probably be barking up the wrong tree by emailing the folks on the list. Phil works (worked? It's been a few years) on network administration for King County's I-Net which is kind of the corporate Intranet/Extranet (they used to sell bandwidth hookups to schools and the like). What it looks like is that the email addresses that are popping up are not your desk employees but rather the network admins who run the network and the guys you should call if you have a connection issue.

They would, however, be the guys you'd probably want to contact if you wanted to find out who a given DHCP allocated address was allocated to at a given time on a given date.

Also, while I'm not a fan of Ron Sims or MetroKC by any means, before we start jumping up and down on I-Net as a big county boondoggle, it was paid for by Comcast as part of the public utility settlement for poor performance/service in bringing high speed internet and digital cable to customers in KC rather than taxpayer funds. Whether it was a good use of the settlement is another story....

Posted by: Marc on October 29, 2005 07:05 AM
57. Everyone: IP networking is something I do for a living. Releasing an IP Address (correct terminology is capital "A" on Address) in a DHCP environment does not necessarily cause that address to be immediately reassigned upon the next request. Depending on the lease hold time, the system can hold that IP Address for five minutes upto a whole day if the DCHP Server and the local network segment (subnetwork or subnet) isn't that busy. If there is a small DHCP pool to draw IP Addresses from, then that IP Address could be reused quickly.

I would support a FOI request on this IP to shut the donks up who claim our side is in vendetta mode. Just as Stefan identified headless lucy as a Seattle School System employee, we need to diligently identify tools of the fools in KC Government. Headless lucy went into racist mode this past September against a friend over on Animal Hind Parts and the blog master let it ride. I know the offended party was looking at sending the information regarding this activity to the Seattle School System.

When David Irons wins, I would shame a Republican worker through IP Address identification who would blog on the government dime too. Evenhandedness is necessary to keep government for the people.

Posted by: Puddybud on October 29, 2005 07:16 AM
58. This mornings Times reports that Ron got another $13,000 in kind contributions for his campaign from the KC employees union (job security). Along with contributions from the former 1,000 friends of Ron and the Sierra Clique. Apparently they want try to tie Irons to Bush. Who does that tie Sims to? Gregiore? Nope, she won't have his race baiting behind. How about Mugabe? he likes reallocation of private land for the "Good" of the people. Heck, it beats paying for it.

Posted by: Roscoe on October 29, 2005 09:25 AM
59. This is lame. None of you don't comment on blogs at work? I doubt that seriously. Go David Irons, but let's win this one on it's merits.

Posted by: Mathew on October 29, 2005 11:19 AM
60. The list of Sims campaign violations is long.

Kurt Triplett, his chief of staff, routinely sits in for Ron and speaks for him at campaign events. Kurt has not taken a leave of absence to work on his campaign.

Ron also has been seen using his county car to drive to and from campaign events, also a violation.

Lastly King County TV has been an almost non-stop Sims infomercial during the past month or so. Also an abuse of public resources.

Posted by: Andy Simon on October 29, 2005 11:55 AM
61. what's wrong with this ? Come on...there was nothing new in this post and better posting funny stuff, then potentially screwing something more up in the election department or any other KC office. This person was busy supporting Ron so no other damage was done.

Now if he/she would have ended his/her post with Merry Christmas....oh boy, he/she would be in trouble using the work computer.

:-)

Posted by: seadog on October 29, 2005 02:09 PM
62. Yah, A "Merry Christmas" in the KCE or City offices would have brought the hounds out.

Notice on the public websites where Christmas Trees don't exist, they have been replaced by Holiday Trees. Make an effort to decorate all your public correspondence to governments with Christmas this year. If they reply with Holiday Trees tell them you don't know what that means.

Posted by: holt on October 29, 2005 03:03 PM
63. Mr. Write, I concede that I should have performed a spell check before posting. It was a good catch- I will be more diligent in the future.

I invite you to look at the body of the text written by the suspected KC poster in question. Do you not find more than a mere miskey? This person obviously does not grasp basic written communication. Be careful to look at the big picture. Don't fall into the trap of straining gnats and swallowing camels.

Posted by: ERNurse on October 30, 2005 12:16 AM
64. BAck to xmas. Is a government performing a religious function if of itself it decides to replace Christmas Trees with Holiday Trees? Aren't they delivering a religious message then with an intent to practice. Are they in competition with religious practices with they try an advocate multi-culturalism as a way of life?

Posted by: holt on October 30, 2005 12:51 PM
65. Using a government paper clip to oppose or support a candidate or ballot measure is against the law. A complaint can be filed with the PDC, but they would just pass it on to the Executive Ethics Board. There is a $5000 fine per usage. So, find who was online at the time, then do a public document request to review that individual's emails from the past several weeks, and each time the individual used his/her email for political purposes, this individual will be fined $5000.
ouch.
...and they will be fired...but that's the law. the reality is one government agency will not actually fine someone in another agency. That's why Secretary MacDonald will not be fined the $400,000 that he should be fined for authorizing the use of our department of transportation to fight I-912.

Mr. O'Brien...next.

Posted by: Q on October 30, 2005 11:54 PM
66. Using a government paper clip to oppose or support a candidate or ballot measure is against the law. A complaint can be filed with the PDC, but they would just pass it on to the Executive Ethics Board. There is a $5000 fine per usage. So, find who was online at the time, then do a public document request to review that individual's emails from the past several weeks, and each time the individual used his/her email for political purposes, this individual will be fined $5000.
ouch.
...and they will be fired...but that's the law. the reality is one government agency will not actually fine someone in another agency. That's why Secretary MacDonald will not be fined the $400,000 that he should be fined for authorizing the use of our department of transportation to fight I-912.

Mr. O'Brien...next.

Posted by: Q on October 30, 2005 11:54 PM
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