In a rambling post yesterday, horse's ass blogger David Goldstein acknowledged that Ron Sims' campaign manager had a hand in Goldstein's sleazy attack on David Iron's family last week. Hilariously, this admission came in the middle of Goldstein's implausible attempt to deny that Sims' campaign was involved.
I don't normally waste time or space responding to Goldstein's inane blog entries any more than I would try to debunk, say, the Zippy the Pinhead comic strip. But now that his below-the-belt exploitation of the Irons family troubles (which Goldstein himself admitted yesterday was a "dirty trick") has been picked up by the commercial media, I'll weigh in.
All I'll say about the Irons family story itself is that I heard the candidate's parents and older sister on the John Carlson Show on KVI 570 Friday afternoon [audio recording here]. It's apparent from listening to the senior Irons couple that this is an elderly couple who are struggling with challenges that led to their estrangement from immediate family members. To exploit the sad situation of David Irons' parents for political gain is in such obviously bad taste that the Sims campaign publicly rejects any association with this stunt.
But privately, as evident from Goldstein's nonsensical denial, Sims' campaign manager Christian Sinderman actually helped Goldstein concoct the smear.
Goldstein goes on to protest too loudly that
If any of you lay even a hint of blame on Ron Sims, you better headline the piece “Goldy is a Liar", because that is essentially what you will be writing.It is not a good rehtorical tactic to directly call someone a liar, so all I'll say is that Goldstein has a dysfunctional relationship with facts and reality. There's a reason why it was Goldstein that Sinderman and others in the Sims camp encouraged to launch this smear. It's because he's the only guy in town who has such low (if any) standards for what he'll write and is also such a blind partisan that he'll champion his team no matter how deplorable the screw-up. Unfortunately for the Sims people, although Goldstein might aspire to be a liar, he's such an incompetent liar that he pulls his own friends down with himself. It is also not a good rhetorical tactic to directly deny that one is a liar, so if Goldstein's Nixonian "I am not a crook" declaration is not enough to cast doubt on his veracity, his comical insistence on attesting to his own credibility should be proof final that he deserves less credibility than he wishes he had:I may be a lot of things ... But I am not a liar.
Throughout the election contest I was consistently right on the facts ... For those reporters and editorialists who haven’t met me, go talk to your colleagues who have. I’ve earned my credibility.The epitome of Goldstein's consistent credibility on the election mess came in this post from February 18th -- "P-I definitively debunks “discrepancy”"
Don’t be so quick to euthanize the mainstream media.As it turned out, the "expert" explanation from Dean Logan and his friends that was bought by the lunatic liberal bloggers and "real reporters" like Neil Modie was a fraud. Among the reasons there was a discrepancy between voters credited and ballots cast is because King County knowingly counted hundreds of illegal votes. Among these were illegal votes from ineligible unregistered voters, illegal votes from incompletely registered voters and double votes from people who voted more than once. King County officials knew about the illegal votes at the time they gave Neil Modie the cock and bull story that the discrepancy was attributable only to faulty recordkeeping. Modie's credulous reporting only helped King County conceal its misconduct from the public. Even now, the P-I still declines to report on the irrefutable evidence of misconduct and cover-ups in Ron Sims' elections office.While a bunch of us liberal bloggers have been trying for weeks to convincingly explain why King County’s variance between voters credited and ballots cast is an irrelevant load of crap, it took a real reporter doing real reporting to finally, finally get the story straight. The Seattle P-I’s Neil Modie actually bothers to interview experts, ask them pertinent questions, and accurately report their responses in context. (I gotta get me one of them journalism schoolbooks.)
The result is a definitive answer to the question of what this so-called “discrepancy” really means. (Hint: absolutely nothing.)
I don't think it's a coincidence that the only newspaper so far to give credence to Goldstein's dirty trick smear on Irons is the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, in an article written by -- "real reporter" Neil Modie.
If David Goldstein deserves any credit at all, it's for being elevated by the Ron Sims machine and the Seattle P-I as just another source of biased misinformation.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at October 23, 2005 12:19 PM | Email ThisAll that ever matters to Goldstein is the furtherance of his political religion and he
would stoop to anything for it.
To him standards (of any kind) just as integrity and rationality are only naive relativist confines to the achievement of his goals.
Based on that, FOR GOLDSTEIN, ANYTHING GOES.
No real surprises. Expect a lot more of this type of thing from him before this election is over.
Since that is so painfully obvious, that it simply isn't open to interpretation, I can only infer that you are calling me liar. So here's what I suggest... back it up.
Posted by: David Goldstein on October 23, 2005 01:49 PMI disagree. I think the only thing that matters to Goldy is his career. He's trying to make a name for himself as a contentious, loud mouth and he's doing a great job. He does not care about the truth, and altough he is a Sims supporter and very left leaning, I think he'd smear his own family if he thought it would get him a job as a liberal pundit.
Posted by: Jeff B. on October 23, 2005 01:54 PMThey were remarkably civil, unlike the participants on the Jerry Springer show. Carlson did very well moderating the discussion. He got these participants because David Irons himself declined the invitation, not wanting to engage the family in public. That's another form of civility.
And if the parents were first offended that their son ran for an office whose then holder (the Derd) employed one of his sisters, they are incredibly naive to think that political employment should be some form of guaranteed sinecure for the employee. SOMEONE would have run against Derdowski, it just grated that David exercised his own right to do so.
No sympathy to Irons' personal opponents, neither the Sims machine nor the self-estranged family. In the game called democracy, they're gutting their credibility by these personal attacks.
Posted by: Hank Bradley on October 23, 2005 02:23 PMUntil you have the gonads to admit that the DOCUMENTED evidence of improper voting and procedures makes this election a fraud, your opinion (to me} means less than Ted Kennedy's crab lice.
From the opinions and actions of you, your party, and those you feel deserve to be elected, I can only surmise that you are someone I could not trust as far as I could throw you.
Sorry, you said you prefer honesty.
Posted by: Elmo on October 23, 2005 02:52 PMSo much for the gender feminist theory that domestic violence is an expression of "patriarchal control and oppression." Janet Irons is proof positive that domestic abuse knows no gender boundries.
Posted by: BananaLand(aka Iguana) on October 23, 2005 03:00 PMFrankly Ivan, Figure it out for yourself, and make your vote count, for whomever you vote for.
I prefer to make my own decisions based on Issues, and a private family issues are not the type of issue i am referring too.
Posted by: Chris on October 23, 2005 03:05 PMThis is nothing more he said/she said. There were no other parties who witnessed the "incident" (whatever really happened), no police reports, no reported history of violence... just her saying this one incident happened, him denying it, and no evidence one way or the other. The best you can do is read up on the history of the family in all of it's dysfunction, download the .mp3 and make up your own mind whom you beleive. I was actually going to beleive the mom based on Goldstiens's account, then I heard her on Carlson. Knowing the history of the family, and listening to the interview when it happened... I'm stuck by just how mean and irrational Janet Sr. comes across. As Bryan Suits put it right afterward, she sounds nuttier than a squirrel turd.
Posted by: Mike H on October 23, 2005 03:09 PMJust listen to Iron's mother on King 5 news, she's the one stating her son David Irons hit her and then ripped the phone out of the wall so she couldn't call 911.
We don't need bloggers to interpret her videotaped statement one way or another.
Posted by: Erik on October 23, 2005 03:16 PMAt least she didnt cost US taxpayers 18 Million Dollars, like Queen Christine DID.....
Quit the character assianations, and go try to convince your buddies at the zoo.....
Those of us that lean to the right, seem to be pretty good at making our own decisions, based on ISSUES of the race at hand, not like the Public (private family matter) Flogging you lefties like to engage in days prior to an election.
Posted by: Chris on October 23, 2005 03:22 PMAnd in another conflicting statement, she is quoted as saying David Jr. went to make a call. with no reference to the phone being ripped outta the wall.
Compare her on air statements, and the ones in print, you will be surprised at her conflicting statements. The woman looked like she was liking the bit of attention she was getting from the media.
She appeared pretty vain to me, with a few tools short of a full toolbox.
Posted by: Chris on October 23, 2005 03:28 PMI also liked Brian Suits' comment that if Sims were running against a ham sandwich, that even the ham sandwich would be preferable.
Posted by: Misty on October 23, 2005 03:29 PMThe left (the Olympian) is doing it's best to play up the fact that because their candidate is gay, he will better represent all points of view. Well, any view that is liberal and anti-Christian.
Stefan- see my email regarding this- blogs give the general public an alternative to MSM news, it's time to give us an alternative of how we vote with our dollars.
Posted by: Andy on October 23, 2005 03:50 PMYou GOLDSTEIN are a LIAR of the highest order.
Posted by: pbj on October 23, 2005 03:53 PMIt says so much that an abusive son is the best candidate the Republicans could come up with.
Daniel, when are you going to stop molesting little boys? It doesn't matter that I have no evidence, the fact I made the accustaion, using your logic, is proof enough you're a child molester.
Simply making an accusation with no evidence doesn't make an accusation true. The only one making the accusation is Janet Sr., and her motives are highly suspect to say the least. When I see photos of bruises, a police report, other witnesses that can corroberate her story, or some other evidence, then I'll change my mind. But until then, accusations with nothing to back it up from what sounds like a bitter, vindicative old woman with a medical condition that can cloud her judgement is hardly a good reason not to vote for him.
It just occured to me... Janet Sr. said that David Jr. ripped the phone out of the wall so she couldn't call 911, so she drove off and hid. Wouldn't it have been easier to drive to the nearest place with a phone and call 911 from there?
Posted by: Mike H on October 23, 2005 04:43 PMNone of my damn business, you say? Well how about that... Iron's private life is none of your damn business, either. But of course, it's only your business you nosey little socialist worm, if it involves someone who runs contrary to your political or social views, isn't it?
You and Goldy- horseturds of from the same equine rectum.
Posted by: ERNurse on October 23, 2005 04:49 PMJust a word of caution Chimp, removing campaign signs is an unlawful activity! I've already filed two reports with the local authorities for signs being destroyed. Enough said.
Posted by: Elvis is the King County on October 23, 2005 04:57 PMI bet when the soldiers were caught "posing" the pig-humper terrorists at Abu Graib, you were out with all the other moonbats calling for Rumsfeld's head, huh? So much for your standards, you hypocritical turd.
Posted by: ERNurse on October 23, 2005 04:59 PMBy your mere posting here PROVES that conservatives are not afraid of debate. However liberals such as Goldstein at HA and the other moonbats at DU have to ban people because they know they have no facts to back up any of their lies.
So keep on making an a s s our of yourself CP/Roger Rabbit/
Posted by: pbj on October 23, 2005 05:08 PMI don't know if he hit his mother or not, and neither do you. But yeah, it IS my business if he is running for King County Executive.
If his mother is a liar, let's find out. Call me all the names you want, but let's find out if your boy Irons hit his old mother or not.
I'm not afraid of the truth, and I'm sure no one here is. So let's hear him deny it.
Posted by: Ivan on October 23, 2005 05:55 PMTruth? Great. All for it. Character assassination as a means of swaying public opinion ain't cutting it. Fair enough?
Posted by: ERNurse on October 23, 2005 06:07 PMI'm not exactly enthralled with Irons myself because of his stand on I912. IMO, anyone BUT Sims would be better than more of Sims. Well, almost anyone.
Posted by: ERNurse on October 23, 2005 06:11 PMYou other trolls...Y A W N!!!
Hey Cynical, stop feeding the primate with the opposable thumb. Unless, of course, you enjoy poking him with a sharp stick.;)
Posted by: Danny on October 23, 2005 06:33 PMShark calls foul when he see's it, e.g. check Sam Reed posts.
Goldy, well to put it politely is a kool-aid drinker, no foul if it's a dem.
Goldstein has been elevated from a Ron Sims *Useful Idiot* to a Ron Sims *Useful Idiot Extraordinaire*!..
Snicker.......I'll bet Christian Sinderman (and Ron Sims) are now wetting their pants with Stefan's exposure of their participation in the Irons family conflict! Thank you Goldstein!
What fools!
Goldy?...Don't be surprised if they don't return your calls.....
Posted by: Deborah on October 23, 2005 07:09 PMThere is not one shred of integrity in Ron Sim's character.
Posted by: Andy Simon on October 23, 2005 07:20 PMAnd allow the rest of us to put a Halogen light on the Goldy/Sims SHI*SQUAD and their hideous mischief!
Did I tell you all that if David Irons wins, Logan will be FIRED!
Posted by: Mr. Cynical on October 23, 2005 07:43 PMRon Simms is sick
Goldstein is sicker
John Carlson is heading in that direction
I for one have now replaced 570 with 770 on my radio dial.
Mr. C....
I have heard this somewhere!....Warms my heart... snicker....
I'm hoping that when he is fired..there will be several sets of initials that go with him....(CJB, DJS, DM, etc..) Hard to work from jail....
I'd like to see the mother take a lie detector test - bring it on !
Posted by: KS on October 23, 2005 08:53 PMBTW - Mr. Irons called for help after David informed him what happened, when his mom was on the floor in 1994, so the credibility of the above statement is dismissed as left wingnut spin.
Posted by: KS on October 23, 2005 08:59 PMGoldstein is a Liar.
Goldstein is a Liar.
Goldstein is a Liar.
There, I said it. TS Goldie, live with it.
Posted by: bulldozer on October 23, 2005 09:00 PMSims and company tolerate if not out right commit election fraud.
Irons commits a crime against his mother and the 5th commandment.
Sims commits a crime against all the voters, and the underlying foundational faith in a fair, honest and open election system.
Frankly I don't like either of 'em. But Sims is the worse of the two.
Given that our election systems offers a binary solution set (don't give me 3rd party crap) we are left with choosing the better of two entities.
The Irons story boils down to a he said / she said. With supporting characters from the family on both sides. That makes the issue a wash in my mind.
So who you gonna' chose the guy who may or may not have had an argument escalating to a physical altercation with his mother.
Or the guy that tolerates and even encourages fraud at the highest levels of the elections department, undermining the trust that is required to keep our system of government running.
Anyone doing any logical analysis would come to one conclusion.
Kool-aid drinkers, moonbats, socialist and communist would come to the other.
Posted by: JCM on October 23, 2005 09:05 PMSo Goldy threw out the red herring - which will be addressed by perception which is reality in political campaigns.
Posted by: KS on October 23, 2005 09:12 PMFirst, despite Sharkansky's obsessive compulsive behavior in regard to this issue, no fraud has been uncovered. Second, since the CAO uproar was entirely based on the notion that "I can't pave my rural neighborhood with as much cement as I originally wanted", this was pretty much a mountain built out of a mole hill. Third, since the modern GOP is all about lobbyists writing legislation, non-comptetitive bidding for huge corporations, and all-around corruption driven by money, I'm surprised the SP cheer squad didn't give Sims' former campaign staff / SW Airlines lobbyist kudos for acting like a Republican. My god, the GOP INVENTED this stuff. Why start condemning it now?
And as for Sharkansky's pathetic claim that the Sims campaign somehow collaborated with Goldstein to pass along this shameful "Republican family values" tale - HELLO, the story has been out there for several years now: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:jOWVWz1Y37oJ:www.isspress.com/back/102903/mailings.htm+Senior+Safety+Advocates+%22david+irons+sr%22&hl=en
"One of the mailings accuses King County Council candidate David Irons Jr. of abusing his parents."
Let me guess, Sims has something to do with THAT "dirty trick" back in 2003, too!?
Heck, I could have called up mom and dad this year, and extracted the family history on my own - they sure seem anxious to tell the world what caused the family to separate. Who needs the Sims campaign as an intermediary?
Keep flailing away, SP kids. Fact is, your candidate is a train wreck. And if the Green Party nut and the disgruntled mental case Democrat actually succeed in defeating Sims, this extreme Irons character flaw will manifest itself in all kinds of ways. Irons will make Tim Hill look like an enlightened leader!
Hey, ERNurse - when did Ron Sims intimidate his own employees? You made the claim, and you're a self-professed Christian, so you MUST not be bearing false witness, correct? Enquiring minds want to know!
Posted by: AmazedByRightWingHate on October 23, 2005 10:08 PMGoldy's challenge to Stefan to "back it up" is nothing more than a red herring for reasons I stated above. So how is the rest of the MSM handling this ? Seems like they are distancing themselves from this sordid family tale. People are getting tired of this HORSES**T - Fact: negative campaign usually suffers a backlash - but hey don't let me discourage you and your HA proteges from slinging some more mud/dung. Case and point: Schwartzenegger in 2003 in the CA Gov. recall race and several others in recent history.
Posted by: KS on October 23, 2005 10:17 PMNow he has probably participated in lawsuits where employees are involved. 15000 employees. Some of them will be criminals and/or dumb. But that task will fall to every county executive regardless of party affliation. If you are refering to a lawsuit, you could at least name it.
And just because he is courteous and professional doesn't mean you have to vote for him.
Stronger coffee is needed
Posted by: Holt on October 23, 2005 10:34 PMIf you've even a 1/8 open mind and deign to declare the above with a straight face, you're (sadly) either an idiot, an Air America Kool-aid drinker, or a "graduate" of the King County public school system. Other possibilities exist, but I'm disinclined to think that even you would be that despicable.
But, hey,...I've been wrong before.
Posted by: wallaby on October 23, 2005 10:38 PMThe Seattle Post-Intelligencer ENDORSED DAVID IRONS, JR. in his last three contested elections for King County Council.
They first endorsed David Irons, Jr. over incumbent Brian Derdowski in the September 1999 Republican primary. Seattle P-I, 08/22/1999
They next endorsed David Irons, Jr. over Democrat write-in candidate Di Irons in the November 1999 general election. Seattle P-I, 10/22/1999
Finally, they endorsed David Irons, Jr. over Democrat nominee Brian Derdowski in the November 2003 general election. Seattle P-I, 10/28/2003
Posted by: Richard Pope on October 23, 2005 11:12 PMI'm also smart enough to know that there is no such thing as "the king county public school system." And even if I entered your twisted little ideological world, and we pretended there was one...no, I didn't attend public school in King County. Got any more silly stereotypes or pointless rhetorical flailing to throw my way?
And as for KS's contention that the MSM is "distancing themselves" from this "horse***": I've seen David Irons' mom recounting her story on several tv news channels, and neither Goldstein nor Sims was anywhere near her - so they couldn't really move her mouth and vocal chords, could they?
Posted by: AmazedByRightWingHate on October 23, 2005 11:13 PMActually, with all that's been uncovered from last Novembers election - PLUS - the suspicion's of prior election fraud we've all harbored for years with Ron Sims in office....you should know that no one here would vote for Ron Sims if he were running unopposed!
Just saying the name "Ron Sims" in King County will get you a cringe from your average citizen....If I were Ron Sims - the realtor - I would sue the KC Exec for defamation of *name*!
I think you should switch to decaf.....Give your nerves a rest before TSHTF with your buddy Sims.....
Posted by: Deborah on October 23, 2005 11:25 PMLogan simply took the time to perfom a drive by defamation of her, wave his arms and threaten termination, but he has yet to actually do it.
Either an innocent woman is being isolated, viciously maligned, and unfairly kept away from her work, or we, the taxpayers, have been paying a full salary and benefits for an incompetent county employee to sit at home for nearly eight months when she should have been long ago terminated.
Which is it, Mr. Logan? Reach down deep in your pants, find your cojones (keep feeling around, they must be there someplace...), and make a decision already.
Posted by: Insider on October 24, 2005 12:14 AMGoldstain lied about his connection to the Sims campaign, Daniel Kirkdorffer stoops to a new low because he sees his candidate losing, and Stefan excels in dissecting the moron known as David Goldstain.
Not only that, but AmusedByRightWingHate is obviously putting up strawmen that are already incinerated.
EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS THIS, Amused! The only reason it's been brought up yet again is because Goldstain's written masturbation didn't make it up to the desired level this month, and he needed something to keep the attention on him.
It ain't working, more people come here.
Posted by: Sailor Republica on October 24, 2005 12:23 AMThanks for the info. Guess I assumed that Logan had actually done what he said he was going to do -- in retrospect, I publicly apologize for the silly assumption on my part. Thought I had an easy smack-down of Amazed's challenge to cite intimidation. Firing someone who offered less-than-flattering testimony of KCREALS on the witness stand would definitely count. Putting her on thin ice... probably counts, but it's a harder case to make.
Posted by: TB on October 24, 2005 01:41 AM
I have spent the last 30 year believing in my party, but Goldstein and his ilk do us a disservice. In no way shape or form do I, as a Democrat, wish to be associated with this disgusting political smear job. If Ron Simms cannot win ont he issues, he should bow out instead of unleashing someone as sleazy as this crazy Goldstein fellow to do his dirty work. I am frankly ashamed that the Simms campaign is even allowed to call itself a Democrat campaign.
True Democrats will reject this crap. We didn't like it when they did it to Clinton, and it is no better when our own do it. Therefore, I am voting for David Irons.
Posted by: DemocratForIrons on October 24, 2005 07:27 AMBottom line Sims by omission or commission has a Elections department under his control that is our of control.
How does anyone with any semblance of rationality certify an election with 2000 more votes than voters, then come out claim it had the accuracy "any bank would be proud of."
A open, transparent, honest and trustworthy election system is cornerstone to our republic. Sims lack of proactive action in the one area alone deems in unfit to hold office.
Posted by: JCM on October 24, 2005 07:45 AM"Funny pbj (peanut butter and jam?) You are probably the only person that has ever been banned from HA. What was that you did? Oh that's right......sorry s. o. s."
Well, what I "did" was point out how Goldstein has to censor his postings because he cannot handle a debate on the issues. I am not the only one. Everytime you post here you demonstrate the triumph of conservatism over weak minded liberalism. Liberalism must shrink and cower on the field of truth and fact whereas conservatism shines.
To quote a famous line "You cannot handle the truth!"
Posted by: pbj on October 24, 2005 08:03 AMHe just pulled an old Irons (mom abusing, employee intimidating, resume lying, garage mechanic) Trick, and released information he obtained right before the Absentees went out. The difference is Irons was a lie about the FBI investigation, and Goldys are quotes from the family.
Standard Repugs; Attack the Messanger. see how well that worked with Joe Wilson.
And for all the women who think that abuse of women staffers and smacking mom qualifies you to be the KCE, I hope you continue to live in your pathetic abused relationships. It's called the; "Stockholm syndrome" It goes well with Beer and Trucks.
Posted by: danw on October 24, 2005 08:37 AMWhen you have the vicious attacking by the moonbats of a republican's character, it tells you they are in trouble. I am really surprised that the local media has been so quiet as to any polling of this all important race for Seattle and the metro area.
It's time to really put focus on the dismal record of Ron Sims and make the voters aware of the real issues.
So far, I think that David Irons has been far too nice in his campaign ads.
Posted by: jaybo on October 24, 2005 09:16 AM
Glad to be of service.
Posted by: David Goldstein on October 24, 2005 09:56 AMLook what happens when the Shark criticizes the patron saint of morons - all the morons~in~training come out to spew!
Posted by: alphabet soup on October 24, 2005 09:57 AMAmazed - you have selective recall and your are akin to an ostrich - are you serious ? Read the various posts on this blog over the last month which you can readily access. These are allegations with evidence that KCRE has been corrupt with his boy, Dean Logan in charge and a number of other instances that point to intimidation and more corruption. Anyone else care to specifically inform AmazedbyRightWingHate and other left wing nuts about King Sims' track record ? (For someone who dislikes Air America, you sure sound alot like them)
Posted by: KS on October 24, 2005 10:14 AMIt is also a site that doesn't gloat over another's physical misfortune like Goldstein and his minions/lemings do.
Posted by: baffles on October 24, 2005 10:16 AMI'm sure Stefan is quite happy with both his far greater traffic, and the higher quality signal to noise ratio of actual comments vs. inane troll regurgitation.
What Goldstein also does not understand (and is ignoring, see above) is that just because Stefan's readers don't always generate a lot of comments, does not mean that they are not interested in issues or what SP has to say, but instead because for the most part, they are motivated more by reason and less by the vitriolic emotion of the HA folk.
If there's any doubt in your mind, just compare the comments of say "Chimp Patrol" (a regular HA poster,) to the rest of the comments in this thread.
I rest my case.
Posted by: Jeff B. on October 24, 2005 10:47 AMYeah, I guess your are right. I am a one issue voter. I vote for honesty and ethics. That is my one issue. You, Simms and Goldstein fail miserably.
If you cannot engage in polite debate without calling people "Repugs" "Rethugs" or any imbecilic juvenile names, then I am ashamed you are even associated with the Democratic party. It is extreme people like you who drive away mainstream voters.
Sometimes imbeciles such as yourself make me wonder why I bother voting for Democrats anymore.
Posted by: DemocratForIrons on October 24, 2005 10:59 AMAlso important: At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Sims' office did admit it was involved in the story. They spoke with HA before the blog was posted - repeatedly. And Christian (Sims' sr campaign guy) obliquely referenced the smarmy story the week before ("the mud starts next week"). Did Sims ask Goldstein to stick to the issues, don't get ugly? No! I have it on good authority that Irons HAS done the same for Sims....or else you'd be reading about Sims' family over all the news too. (And this is NOT a suggestion that somebody investigate the Sims family - it just isn't relevant...just like Irons' family isn't relevant). But Irons is above that - as he should be. Obviously Sims isn't. Sims/HA are playing dirty politics at its worse.
The Times has called HA "smarmy" and said it won't consider the family story when it considers endorsements. They're right.
Irons' mother is an amazingly sick woman - and it's disrespectful to stare at the infirm...we should all turn away and talk about the REAL issues.
Posted by: Jenny on October 24, 2005 11:22 AMI was banned because I pointed out how Democrat trade crack cocaine for votes in Ohio in 2004 every time I heard a RAT go on about the 2004 election and mention Ohio.
You can read it yourself here:
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041019/NEWS09/410190343
I backed up every point with a verifiable source, from the sailors that Clinton killed on the USS Cole, to the convicted officials of the Democrat Party in St Loius.
(This source is from the Belleville News DEMOCRAT)
http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/12021188.htm
Once again. It it the truth. YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Posted by: pbj on October 24, 2005 12:05 PMThis deal with Irons' mother is background noise. Goldy says she says he did it. Where is the absolute proof? Police report? 911 tapes? Neighboor affadavits? Pictures? Video?
Irons says he didn't do it. Again, no witnesses or absolute proof. This leaves us to a guessing game on what really happened and looking at the motivation behind both people. Who do you believe?
These guessing games really have nothing to do over who would be a better person for the KC job.
Ron should be given the free time and opportunity to save the whales and Irons should be given the job to clean up King County and save the people.
Posted by: SouthernRoots on October 24, 2005 12:07 PMBy the way, to all involved - Preventing someone from placing a 911 phone call is illegal. If this story is true, why was David never prosecuted.
Because it's not true, of course. I feel sorry for David Irons' parents, they are obviously very confused. AT LEAST THEY RAISED A GOOD MAN.
Can we move on to real issues? Like the CAO, Sound Transit, and the County Elections Department?
Posted by: Larry on October 24, 2005 12:48 PMDo YOU even believe the CRAP flowing out of your mouth?????? What the H**L have you been mixing with your Kool-Aid that allows your tiny little mind to come up with all you spew forth?
Any kind of personal attack like the one on Irons should berailed against by you moonbats just as much as it is by us conservatives. The fact that you support this kind of sick behavior tells most of us who post here, all we need to know about you.
Posted by: cowboy on October 24, 2005 01:00 PMApparently they're aware that news can be generated on a Blog. Go search the P-I for Sharkansky or Sound Politics and see how many stories turn up on election fraud.
Personal, smear attacks on a Republican? Get the Blog scoop and run it front page. Election irregularities and cover-up by Democrats? Nothing to see here. Sound Politics? Never heard of it.
And worse? It's not even surprising anymore. The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.
Posted by: jimg on October 24, 2005 02:34 PMI think we need to reopen the old mental hospital at Buckley as its reasonably close to Seattle, which will stock it within hours of re-opening with the likes of Dan W.....
Posted by: THS on October 24, 2005 03:13 PMGoldy====Boogar
Posted by: Mr. Cynical on October 24, 2005 03:56 PMMaking up imaginary charges against someone only works if there's a cadre of brainless sheep people out there who hate the individual and who will lap up the story without one iota of evidence (see: Dan Rather, Mary 'Seattle' Mapes, forged memos, and Bush 43 serving honorably in TANG).
Nobody hates David Irons. In fact, many people don't even know who he is. Those who hate him already are voting for Sims. Those who know him already are voting for him.
The people who don't know Irons, for whom this might've been the first knowledge of him, will be wondering - Who is this guy Irons that the incumbent Sims feels he must smear so viciously? If the incumbent wants to be involved in such a character assassination, then the incumbent must truly be in dire straits.
I don't recall Jim McDermott starting a vindictive personal character assassination campaign against Carol Cassidy. If Carol pulled ahead in the polls, though, McDermott would've been the first to start slingin' mud.
Everyone now knows that Sims is in trouble. This is exactly how Karl Rove wanted the whole thing to play out!
Posted by: Larry on October 24, 2005 04:36 PMIf Goldy's revelations were so trifling and insignficant I doubt we'd be seeing such heated traffic here. BTW, everyone's focussing solely on the DV challenges. What about the resume larding? Sounds like the bar has lowered a bit. Setting aside the mommy-beating, can Mr. Irons do better than Brownie on the CV-puffery front?
Keep your heads up, however, bold Irons supporters! The news about Turd Blossom and "Scooter" may perhaps distract attention from your standard bearer. Godspeed to you in whistling past the graveyard.
Posted by: bartelby on October 24, 2005 07:03 PMIf Ron Sims, your Ken Starr-type lover boy, is SUCH a good executive - why not discuss his record.
Actually, bartleboy, it's exactly the opposite of what you state. Why would Irons and his supporters be nervous at all? We're the challengers. You and your boy Sims are the incumbents - yet all you want to talk about is David Irons personal life.
Ron Sims is in as deep a pile of $h!t as your comments come from, bartleboy. It you and your ilk that are nervous.
Why aren't we talking about Sims record? Because he doesn't have one. Why is David Irons being attacked and smeared? Because you're nervous.
Eat it.
Posted by: Larry on October 24, 2005 08:09 PMOh, yeah, we were discussing character assassinations and the incompetant elections department. I guess we WERE really having an honest discussion of Ron's top accomplishments. Carry on.
Posted by: Larry on October 24, 2005 10:38 PMIf we think you are beating your mom, and you happen to run against George W or Dino Rossi (official GOP cult leaders) then we are going to dig through your garbage, and prove you have an illegitimate black baby and a wife with a prescription pill addiction (sound familiar, Rove worshippers?)
First, Irons claimed his mom "ran into his hand." Then he claimed she had "a diabetic fit."
Just think how far those excuses would have gone had Gregoire, Sims, Gore, Kerry, Clinton made the same silly excuse.
The great thing about this story is this: it revealed the "values voters" for who they really are... ALL ABOUT MORAL RELATIVISM. No different from the "godless communist left."
Funny how that works. I love it!!!!
Posted by: AmazedByRightWingHate on October 25, 2005 12:29 AMMy favorite analogy of blogs is the CB "craze" of the '70's. They were tools used by truckers before they became toys. The anonymous nature of them offered a siren call to bozo's that almost ruined the usefulness of CD's altogether.
Blogs are still in their infancy and have a long way to go to maturity. The fact that imbeciles like ABRWH come around not to discuss or advocate, but to disrupt isn't any different than the dumbass who would scream nonsense into the CD mike.
This is the lowest of the low. You have sullied the good reputation you have earned by writing this toilet-paper trash...taking words out of context and perpetuating a lie that is not only clearly false as stated by the people involved but factually provably inaccurate.
As a result, the veracity of your work on election issues is called into question.
If you fully stand for what you pretend to (honesty, integrity) not only will you retract this and issue a formal apology, you should call for Irons to come fully clean (just pretend, for a moment, you are an objective reporter and not a biased one hoping he wins).
Posted by: Jimmy Kimball on October 25, 2005 09:49 AMThis isn't about family values or rationalizing morality. This is about an unprovable story by a woman that the more you hear her the more you pity her.
Again the issue at hand is do we want a new elections department? Do we want a responsible adult running King County? Are we tired of Ron Sims using his friends, supporters and cronies in the NAACP, Democratic Party to attack his detractors? What is best for King County? Ron Sims looking for a job not on the government payroll would be a good start for cleaning up King County.
All the dung slinging Chimps, and Amazed Jimmies asside - Ron Sims needs to go.
Posted by: Skeptic on October 25, 2005 10:27 AMI am appalled that the Demcorat establishment has gone so low as to try to use family fueds as a way to gain political advantage. How shameful. Where is the police report? Where are the charges filed against David Irons?
If you had any integrity at all, you would demand that Goldstein immediately issue an apology to the Irons family and stop his lying mud flinging and stick to the issues of the corrupt KCE under the chief bungler Ron Sims.
Posted by: pbj on October 25, 2005 12:50 PMEither he hit his mom, and knocked her down, or she had a "diabetic episode" and he left her there without helping her.
You can try to blame the dems all you want, but something serious happened that should be addressed here. *Especially* if we're going to have this guy running King County.
What happened to "Family Values" ? ?
Knight hasn't come to any candidates forums and never even came to the paper's endorsement interview. Practically the only thing we hear from him comes from the county GOP, not from his own campaign.
Posted by: Emmett O'Connell on October 26, 2005 03:19 PMI believe that they call it a "shakedown." WHat is a shakedown, you ask? It's an intimidation tactic.
And you can take your superior attitude and insinuations about my faith and shove them up your ass. You, above all, are no judge of me. And I am perfectly comfortable with my standing.
Posted by: ERNurse on October 26, 2005 06:39 PMDemocraps tugged at the threads that held the integrity of most of them together until they were so frayed that few of them held thier original meaning.
Those self-same democraps would enjoy flushing what's left down the toilet.
Posted by: alphabet soup on October 26, 2005 09:18 PMYou may think this plays well in the Democratic Party, but as a Democrat I certainly do not. I am frankly ashamed that my party is being associated with this woman who is willing to sacrifice her own son in the public square in the name of her party. And I am equally ashamed of extremists in my party who encourage this sort of thing. We should be setting an example, not being the problem. That is what is supposed to make us different and why we do not need to preface ourselfs with the word compassionate.
If I keep hearing this level of crap out of my fellow Democrats instead of discussing the issues, I am voting for Irons. I mean it!