October 15, 2005
Mailbox Dweller

Among the various weird provisional ballots discovered in the Archives this week was this one.

The matching voter is listed in the election day voter database with a proper residence address. The provisional envelope lists only a private mailbox address. The provisional ballot was accepted and the voter database was updated to show him residing at that mailbox.

Apparently the provisional envelope also serves as an undocumented change of address form. The possibilities here are endless.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at October 15, 2005 09:19 AM | Email This
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1. Why not just make the provisional ballot a same day registration?

Oops, maybe they already did....

Posted by: SouthernRoots on October 15, 2005 09:41 AM
2. If it even remotely resembled something they could count, they did. The moonbats were out in force last November 2nd, spurred on by all of the MoveOn.org rhetoric no doubt, and many of them took the liberty of voting more than once.

Logan and team did very little to examine the obvious flaws claiming that, it was not their place to challenge registrations, voters should police themselves, they did not have time before certification, the dog ate their homework, etc.

Had Logan been a real leader that was interested in more than just a partisan result, when Huennekens came to him with evidence of the myriad of problems, he would have admitted that there were big problems and begun to unravel them, before certification. Instead, he did what weak, small, cowardly people do, he covered up to protect his own job, and looked the other way.

Posted by: Jeff B. on October 15, 2005 10:05 AM
3. Actually, this one is not so weird. You don't have to put your correct address, or the address where you are actually registered, on a provisional ballot envelope. So long as you are properly registered to vote in the county, the ballot should be counted in that precinct. As for the address change issue, there is no particular formality required for the elections officials to change your address. Anything with a new address and your (apparent?) signature seems to do the trick on that.

Posted by: Richard Pope on October 15, 2005 10:10 AM
4. Richard Pope,

It's true that not much is needed to transfer one's registration from one precinct to another on election day.

But what about the requirement for a valid residential address? Tranferring one's registration by supplying only a mailing address rather than the place of residence doesn't appear to comply with the law.

Also, do you have any idea how the second paragraph in the statute linked above fits with the constitutional requirement of residency in the state, county, and precinct for thirty days before the election? If the transfer is done on election day, the statute says to allow the voter to vote in the precinct in which he was previously registered -- and presumably no longer resides. How could a voter be lawfully permitted to vote in a precinct in which he has not lived during the thirty days before the election?

Posted by: Micajah on October 15, 2005 11:27 AM
5. Residing at a mailbox? Nice common sense judgement of the person accepting that document and change. Just like the insult of the foreign language on the provisional ballot. Residing in an overseas shipping container? Won't even be questioned. Assimilate into America? No way. Yea--tell me my vote has value with this silliness STILL going on.

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on October 15, 2005 11:30 AM
6. Well, KC really loves those provisional ballots. It makes it oh-so-much easier for the moveon.org people to organize vote scams

Posted by: Realist on October 15, 2005 12:38 PM
7. Provisional ballots are supposed to be distinguishable from regular ballots this time around - aren't they ? If so, it should theoretically be easier to throw out the moveon.org phony votes - right ?

However, that is only one aspect of this - the double registrations were conveniently not dealt with - OK, so what about the felons in King County/does anyone know how many were purged ? and also how many have since registered, with KCRE again conveniently not doing QA on their voter rolls ?

Posted by: KS on October 15, 2005 12:55 PM
8. Jimmie-howya-doin says:
Residing at a mailbox? Nice common sense judgement of the person accepting that document and change. Just like the insult of the foreign language on the provisional ballot. Residing in an overseas shipping container? Won't even be questioned. Assimilate into America? No way. Yea--tell me my vote has value with this silliness STILL going on.

The polling place inspectors are required to accept provisional ballots from walk-up voters unless they have concrete personal knowledge of illegality, enough to make a public challenge to the voter, an act for which they receive no formal training, and which they are discouraged from doing. The inspector is required to gather enough information from the voter to allow KCE to determine the voter's eligibility and to which precinct they should be assigned. I do not hold inspectors responsible for fraudulent voters submitting their ballots into the system (unless their ballots are fed into the Accuvote).

The assumption is that KCE will do a responsible job of analyzing the provisional ballot information, and making a just determination of eligibility and precinct. That assumption is no longer valid. Also, KCE can no longer be trusted to determine that absentee ballots originated with the registered voter, or that each voter gets only one ballot. It is a travesty.

Posted by: huckleberry on October 15, 2005 01:32 PM
9. NOT SHOCKED AT ALL!

I Think LOGAN and CO. probably violated every single state election law we have on the books when counting ballots.


Posted by: Joe on October 15, 2005 02:43 PM
10. Joe...yup, it appears one would have to look long and hard to find an election law that was properly upheld in last year's election. Dare we even hope for better from KC this year? With Sim's position and several controversial Initiatives on the ballot, there is alot of incentive for these folks to continue business as usual to influence election outcomes. This strategy has been very successful for them, with no apparent need to change their illegal activities.

Frankly, KC has very little incentive to clean up their act. Except for Stefan, I am not aware of any investigative or legal interest in this matter. MSM, Maleng, SOS, McKenna, and Fed Pros. Atty, are all either ignoring it or otherwise not allowed to investigate.

Posted by: dl on October 15, 2005 03:56 PM
11. Well...we all saw how many hunderds of *mail box* and *King County Admin building* voters there were last November.....None were ever challenged for fake residence addresses - and in fact, those who registered using the admin building address as their residence were actually encouraged to do so by Sims and Logan! Many of those who registered fake residence addresses also listed their mailing addresses as out of state and out of the country! These were not military voters....I believe most of these illegally registered voters are not eligible to vote in our county, state or even our country! Yet - Ron Sims and the Demcorat machine allowed it!

What Stefan is saying about this particular voter is that KC elections was stupid enough to use the illegal Provisional ballot's address to change the voter's registration information!

Posted by: Deborah on October 15, 2005 08:08 PM
12. LIBERAL KING COUNTY MORALITY:
Just because something may be improper, illegal, or just plain wrong doesn't mean it's bad.
Wait a second . . . I mean . .
just because it breaks the law and is an exception to the rules doesn't mean it's . . . bad.
Wait a second . . . I mean . .
just because only those who vote for democrats get a pass and are excused on the basis that it is o.k. to be a moron
and still have their fraudulent vote counted doesn't mean it's . . . bad.
Wait a second . . . I mean . .

Well . . . you know what I mean.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on October 15, 2005 10:18 PM
13. Huckleberry--Points taken; thanks;

however, any carnival ride operator makes decisions as to someone's suitability for a ride; be it height, or general demeanor or perceived condition; so--if a 'carnie' has such discretion and authority, why not someone who VOLUNTEERS or is PAID at the election site? is a carnival ride of less import to society than a legal voter? we care more about puking than the right voter? time to wake up and crack down on the loose standards;

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on October 15, 2005 11:31 PM
14. I have no answer for you Jimmie.

Posted by: huckleberry on October 16, 2005 12:05 AM
15. ONce Irons is in office we can folks!!! How many times do I get to say this! With Sims reelected does anyone really think anything will cahnge?! I sure don't and he has allready proved that!

Posted by: Laurie on October 17, 2005 07:07 AM
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