Dino Rossi has unveiled his new book
"Dino Rossi: Lessons in Leadership, Business, Politics and Life"
Leadership - None
Business - Real Estate
Politics - Loser
Life - Ok, perhaps he might have something to say there.
Yep, we can be really proud of her.......LOSER
Posted by: THS on October 8, 2005 03:47 PMLeadership: Well, even not getting into the obvious fact that he had to do a lot of leadership type stuff in business (which I'm sure you don't respect, even though you will undoubtedly say you do), and even saying it didn't take leadership to run his campaign well, he was undoubtedly a leader during the budget crisis during his time in the State Senate.
So, your point is moronic.
Business: Yes, Real Estate. I take it you don't respect that business. Have fun in your socialist paradise with your buddy Fidel.
Politics: Loser? Ok, let's just pretend that A. politics is only about winning elections (it isn't), B. That he didn't win the Governor's mansion TWICE (he did), Even if I were to grant you those, he won a seat in the State Senate in a swing district, offing a multi-term Democrat Incumbent. And that's not even counting what he did with his State Senate seat once he got it.
Again, your point is idiotic on it's face.
Life: I'm not sure about Dino, but if this is the best you can come up with when looking at such things, I'm guessing you don't have much to say.
Posted by: Cliff Smith on October 8, 2005 05:06 PMChristine Gregoire:
Lessons in Passing the Buck, Working for the State, Pandering and Liberalism.
I have alot more respect for those who have managed/worked/owned a private business. They have Business Sense, and a not the "I work for the State so don't hold me too it" attitude.
Leadership entails many things. It does not, however, entail taking risks where none are required. I-912 will succeed on its own merits and doesn't need Rossi's support.
Meanwhile, Rossi has the luxury, given the current state of affairs, of remaining ambiguous on heated issues. Let others take the stands and lash themselves bloody until '08; he'll emerge from this sabbatical rested and ready for a rematch, untarred by the politics of intervening years.
It's sound strategy, and sound strategy is a hallmark of good leadership.
Posted by: Nathan Azinger on October 8, 2005 07:08 PMHe is a better leader and will be a better Governor if he chooses to run in 2008.
Posted by: KS on October 8, 2005 07:24 PMIt sounds like a perfect book to read on a cozy cold autumn night with cocoa by the fire!
Can you imagine the impact his book would have at Garfield, Rainier Beach and Franklin high schools? Dino Rossi is an example of someone from the *hood* who overcame adversity and made a successful living without becoming caught up in the welfare/crime/drug cycle that the liberal mafia perpetrates!
His book should be required reading in the *hoods* of America.
Leadership: Ran a whites-only sorority in college, and tried to manipulate the investigation of her blowing an appeal that cost taxpayers $18 million.
Business: So far, big fat ZERO
Politics: Bought and paid for by John Kerry ($250 thousand) and big labor. Not interested in too much except pushing the downtown Seattle liberal agenda and calling the most screwed-up close election a 'model to the rest of the world'.
Life: Didn't want to miss the governor's ball because her daughter had already bought her dress for the event.
Posted by: Misty on October 8, 2005 10:51 PMAnd secondly, the guy is not some business guru or great economic thinker. This isn't Bill Gates, Craig McCaw Mike McGavick or John Stanton.
He's a real estate salesman people! He's like a 1/2 step away from a used car salesman and entitled to about as much respect.
Posted by: gene on October 8, 2005 10:52 PMShe seems to have conviently forgot her campaign promises, but the people of this state won't forget her lies.
I raised many signatures for I912 as many others in this state did, and I am convinced Gregoire will be sent a message about her massive tax happy turn around.
That is if she ever comes back to this state, she seems to be traveling quite alot all over the world at state tax payers expense. Must be nice!
Posted by: GS on October 8, 2005 11:36 PMLeadership entails many things. It does not, however, entail taking risks where none are required. I-912 will succeed on its own merits and doesn't need Rossi's support.
Unfortunately, politics and statesmanship are not the same. Rossi is clearly being politically shrewd by playing mute on 912. If he concurs with the knuckleheheads here, he’s in favor. Why cant’t he just come out and say so? Cat got his tongue? GOP holding his political phallus in blind trust? Do tell, please... Inquiring minds wish to know..
I don't know if you've ever met Dino Rossi, but he isn't exactly a white guy. It isn't that he is really tan; he is from what we call a racial diverse background. He just doesn't wear it on his sleeve like so many other people do. Buy the way, when was the last time you walked around Montlake Terrace at night? Give me a break; if a guy working his way up from being the janitor of the Space Needle to being a self made millionaire is not successful, then I can't wait to see your house.
Daniel K;
Hope you enjoy reading books by people you "like" that do nothing but re-enforce what you already think. Personally, I am not Islamic, but I am still finding the Qu'ran interesting. Knowledge is power. So let me ruin the end of your current literary adventure, He eats the green eggs and ham!
Business -- He graduated from college, having worked a janitorial job to pay the bills, with a $200 car, $200 in the bank, and nowhere to go but up. He bought his first apartment building when he was 25, and now he's... pretty darned comfortable. How many of the naysaying trolls have done that?
Politics -- Knocked out a sitting incumbent; in seven short years became the most powerful Republican in Olympia; and as chairman of the Senate Ways and Means Committe -- when Democrats controlled the House and Governor's Mansion -- he pretty much wrote the budget by keeping Senate Republicans in line and appealing to the few sensible Democrats; resigned his Senate seat to run for governor instead of neglecting his duties and constituents; and then got the most legal votes for governor. How many of the naysaying trolls have done that?
Life -- Look at Terri. Look at the kids. A lotta guys'd kill for a family like that. The man knows what he's doing.
So, there. Wanna knock Dino? Try saving your credibility and / or getting a sense of decency.
Posted by: TB on October 9, 2005 12:09 AMUmmm...Gene..
You're kidding.....right?
Da *hood* does not discriminate...It is color blind...
You liberals love to create the misconception that only people of color are the underprivileged in our communities...This perception helps when pandering for minority votes at election time....
You obviously have never visited a hood. Take a drive through Rainier Valley. Heh...Spend the afternoon - if you dare! In history - from the Italians, to the Asians, to the Norwegians, to the Blacks....every race has had their *hood*.
If the Democrats remain in power much longer here in our state, your neighborhood will probably decline to hood status...
Leadership - None. Leadership is not about thinking only of one's political gain. That's all Rossi ever does. Every position he takes is all a calculation about how he can gain politically from it. That Rossi believes he has any insights on leadership is simply laughable. If you want to learn something about leadership read about some of our great Presidents, or other great leaders of history. Even Republicans like Dan Swecker and Joyce Mulliken have shown more leadership than Dino Rossi, by making tough decisions for the benefit of the state, as opposed to their personal political gain.
Business - Real Estate. I'm just stating fact. Do not project your own negative views about the profession as being my own.
Politics - Loser. Dino Rossi's biggest claim to fame is that he lost the Governor election. In the process he also lost any goodwill people might have had for him due to the way he contested the outcome and dismissed the court's ruling. He was not only a loser, he was a sore loser. That's why he's now known as Dino Lossi, a political dinosaur.
Oh, and Michelle: get used to it - Governor Christine Gregoire for at least 3 more years.
Posted by: Daniel K on October 9, 2005 02:09 AMLeadership:
Sticking a finger in the wind to see how the polls blow that day.
Blaming subordinates.
Business:
Bad, evil, exploiter of the mass. Unless you can extort billions from legal businesses.
Working for the government telling honest business how best to run a business.
Politics:
Panderings not Positions.
Promises as long as they are convenient.
Big government socialist
Life:
Choose a path of "service" in government.
Your obvious partisanship is tiring. Perhaps if you stopped spinning things to the direction you want them to go, instead of the ways they are, you might be more credible. But I suppose you like the martyr role--it's a common failure of the extreme left and right.
"Leadership - None. Leadership is not about thinking only of one's political gain. That's all Rossi ever does."
Is that the ONLY definition of leadership? Has Rossi *ever* done anything outside of mere "political" goals?
"Business - Real Estate. I'm just stating fact. Do not project your own negative views about the profession as being my own."
You are essentially correct--but by not giving your view on that, you let others assign you a standpoint based on your apparent politics.
"Politics - Loser. Dino Rossi's biggest claim to fame is that he lost the Governor election."
Rossi did NOTHING else, his entire political career?
"In the process he also lost any goodwill people might have had for him due to the way he contested the outcome and dismissed the court's ruling."
According to whom? I think that there are many people who do not feel this "loss of goodwill" that you seem to be so sure Rossi caused. Could it be...maybe...that there are TWO sides to the story? Naw, couldn't be--everything is only the way you think it is.
"That's why he's now known as Dino Lossi, a political dinosaur."
Heh--good one! Clearly a parody of "Fraudoire." But certainly there must be SOMEONE in the state who doesn't call him that. Surely you've met SOMEONE who likes him. Or do you presume to speak for a small circle of like politicos, rather than the feelings and opinions of a larger group?
Interestingly, your posts are not about saying positive things about Mrs. Gregoire. It's all about bashing Dino. Okay, but why don't you put some energy into telling everyone what's so great about Mrs. Gregoire? It's funny how that doesn't come out in your posts. Must be a reason....
And btw you never answered the questions I posed as to why Dino is so much more popular than she is or why a strong majority believe he actually won?
Posted by: Michele on October 9, 2005 11:45 AMPseduotsuga - Read my comments. If I was so obviously partisan why would I use other Republicans as examples of politicians that have demonstrated more leadership than Rossi? Meanwhile, everything else about your response concedes my points. Sure Dino may have demonstrated leadership qualities somewhere along his career, but not during the most important moments of it when everyone was focused on him. Sure Dino previously won election to the legislature, but people will remember him for the position he lost, just as people remember Mondale, Dukakis or Dole - if they remember them at all. Does everyone see him as a loser? Of course not, you folks are certainly cases in point, but the swing voters are the ones that Rossi lost along the way.
But hey, Dino may be all those things, but I'll give him this: he's no idiot. He needs to rehabilitate his name, and one way to do that is to write a book, to get a friendly interpretation of his history out there. I'm sure before too long a number of you will be quoting "factually" from it as if it were the bible.
Posted by: Daniel K on October 9, 2005 02:33 PMAs for Dino Rossi, he has already demonstrated to be a good leader by writing the 2003 budget in the face of a large deficit without raising taxes, although he met strong opposition by the Democrats. He was the leader behind that and was praised by both sides and the people. He has been successful in his own business and would do better financially if he decided not to run for Governor again, but hope that he does for the sake of the residents of this state ! I'd like to hear what he has to say and if the MSM tries to trash it , then it is likely a good read..
You stated: "Pseduotsuga - Read my comments. If I was so obviously partisan why would I use other Republicans as examples of politicians that have demonstrated more leadership than Rossi?"
It depends on just what you define leadership as, I suppose. You say that "Dan Swecker and Joyce Mulliken have shown more leadership than Dino Rossi, by making tough decisions for the benefit of the state, as opposed to their personal political gain." It is easy to paint many politicans of all colors with the same broad brush. Your definition of leadership seems to be, "willing to do things for the good of all, no matter whether they get re-elected or not." This seems to be what Gregoire is doing with the gas tax. Is she a good leader, then? The definition of leadership you give hinges on one problem: what is the greater good, exactly? Some people say that Gregoire is doing that; others say that Rossi is. I think it's much more open to non-partisan debate than you seem to think.
"Sure Dino previously won election to the legislature, but people will remember him for the position he lost, just as people remember Mondale, Dukakis or Dole - if they remember them at all."
It is difficult to predict the future, but I think that you may be right. It depends, I think, on what Rossi decides to do next. If he never does anything else significant (like Dole, Dukakis, Mondale) then your prediction holds. But just because someone loses an election race does not make them an actual loser.
"Does everyone see him as a loser? Of course not, you folks are certainly cases in point, but the swing voters are the ones that Rossi lost along the way."
I don't think Rossi actually lost the swing voters. Here is why: the vote count was so close, even the third time, that it is clear that even the swing voters were split. But it also is clear, according to Sharkansky's research, that massive incompetence and lassez faire voting up in King County took the place of many swing voters. So, in essence, many swing voters never really got the chance to swing.
President Bush for 3 more years.
Your side lost. Now get used to it.
Posted by: Rich A on October 9, 2005 05:34 PMdum-de-dum (taps foot while waiting for a response....)
Posted by: Michele on October 9, 2005 06:46 PMThe plethera of sexual innuendoes actually blurred out the humans are evil message of the writer/director. Suggestion to Hollywood - Pick one anti-societal message per movie and stick too it. Including nearly nonstop transexual, gay, pro-abortion, fornication and pornigraphic tripe will dilute your main agenda - in this case that we should all stop eating tasty animals or was it just stop hunting furry animals - or was it create more open space (close land) - See what I mean about clouding your message?
This thing is so bad you won't even want to see a rental even if your neighbor pays for it. Go play ball with your kids instead.
Posted by: Jericho on October 9, 2005 06:58 PMThat said, Gregoire's numbers are improving, which is no small accomplishment given she has had to deal with the realities of governance and making tough decisions that affect people's lives. The latest SurveyUSA poll gives her a 45% approval rating, with a 4 point margin of error, and 6% unsure. She's at 49% approval (43% disapproval) with women - even without your support, and at 50% approval with moderates (45% disapproval).
Compare that to George Bush for example, who won last November with a greater margin than Gregoire, and his approval ratings are hovering around 40%.
As for those who still believe Rossi won, that just goes to show how uninformed many people are - or in your case, choose to be. But this is nothing new. As recently as February 47% of people still thought Saddam Hussein helped plan and support the 9/11 hijackers, and that number was going up from previous polling! In a 2002 survey it was found that 11% of college age adults could find the USA on a map and 29% couldn't locate the Pacific Ocean.
So it doesn't surprise me that so many people falsely believe so many things, including who won the last gubernatorial election in Washington state.
Posted by: Daniel K on October 9, 2005 09:28 PMSo, polls are meaningful to you when they show Gregoire with a higher approval rating than Dubya, but meaningless when they show most people believing that Rossi won?
How convenient!
Posted by: TB on October 9, 2005 11:28 PMKeep it up Daniel! Your insane arguments just help to sell Rossi's book!
Ka-ching!
Posted by: Deborah on October 9, 2005 11:37 PMYou gave your opinion on why YOU thought Dino is more liked than Mrs. Gregoire right now, but how does that explain his much higher ratings than hers in the weeks before and right after she was declared a winner? They were both in the thick of it, right? Think real hard now....what could it be??? Your explanation isn't plausible for that time period. I personally think it's because Dino wasn't making silly comments like "this (completely screwed-up) election was a model to the world! (because I won!)" and "I lost? It's a tie!" I think it's because he was just worlds more classy than she could ever be.
But that's just me (and several thousand other people)
You still haven't explained why most people think she actually lost. All you did was lamely leap into some riff about George Bush, as if he had anything to do with Ms. Christine. So, you said people are just uninformed. Exactly HOW are they uninformed? Was there just a typo in their newspapers? The TV news got it wrong? Or what? Explain
Still waiting.....
It is refreshing to see a liberal who is so ardently forthcoming about their singular committment to liberal prejudices.
No one here really cares about your religious convictions except the humorous way that you pretend that they are succeeding (especially SEE Gregoire).
Thanks for hedging the bet by claiming that unless one "falsely believe[s] so many things," that are simply not true, by virtue of being "college age adults," they must somehow (???) be on the conservative side of the equation?
Like it or not, you are showing how simple-minded you are.
Posted by: Amused by liberals on October 9, 2005 11:45 PMFun is; you cavil HERE because any hint of Dino Rossi's presence threatens you and the potential compromise of your communist religious faith.
Otherwise, why bother?
Posted by: Amused by liberal pretense on October 9, 2005 11:54 PMDeborah - Actually, unlike many here I believe I have actually tried to make sane arguments. You don't have to agree with them, but they are hardly insane.
Michele - I provided my opinions and I provided some facts. You seem to enjoy deflecting my arguments by asking me to answer further questions. At some point you'll probably end up asking me for the answer to the meaning of life, so I'll save you asking: it's 42.
Amused by liberals - You reveal yourself in your comment about my supposed "religious convictions" and "communist religious faith". We're not talking about religion here, and never have, but you obviously cannot tell religion and politics apart given how much you've blurred the line that separates them. My point about the college age American adults who couldn't find the USA on a map was not equating these people with conservatives. For all I know they could all be liberals, or communists. The point was simply (too simple perhaps for you to follow) that a lot of people have problems with understanding the simplest of facts. Maybe it was a bad example - I can accept that.
Posted by: Daniel K on October 10, 2005 12:19 AMBased on your encouragement I'm taking pre-orders now!
Posted by: Daniel K on October 10, 2005 12:25 AMas...
um...
oh yeah, no one. But I'm sure it will be BIG!
Posted by: Bruce on October 10, 2005 01:21 AM* The preceding may be an allegory intended for amusement, and not strictly a factual occurrence.
Posted by: TB on October 10, 2005 01:43 AMdenial K make a simple-minded assessment of Dino's background, but it is too stupid to follow, much less apply any credence to.
The other trolls are just too myopic for real life.
We're only at mid-point in the moon cycle; isn't it a bit early to be baying?!!
Posted by: alphabet soup on October 10, 2005 11:20 AMSo we own:
* White House (For three more years and at least four beyond that - who's going to run from your side - gonna pick John Kerry again? HA)
* House and Senate, we own the Supreme Court (When is John Paul Stevens going to retire? He's 85! Think he can last 4 more years? NOT!)
* Majority of gubernatorial mansions around the country
Meanwhile, more people self-identify as Conservatives and/or Republicans than Liberals/Democrats for the first time in decades.
Meanwhile, you cling for life onto the Washington State Gubernatorial mansion that took you three counts to secure, even though this is one of the most liberal states, if not THE most liberal state, in the nation.
Daniel K, each time you post on this board you take me back in a time machine - I always wondered what it would be like to hear the wailing, the moaning, the knashing of teeth and claws of the dinosaurs as they slowly but surely succumbed to the new age of the world, and then died out.
Now I know what it's like to actually watch an extinction. Howard Dean is your T-Rex, and John Kerry is your Brontosaurus. Democrats and dinosaurs, joined at the hip.
That's the mentality of a playground bully, which is precisely the way this administration has acted for the last five years.
Public interest? Sound policy? Screw it.
The Maybelly Machiavellis are in control. That's served them OK for a while, but they've finally rounded so many ethical corners that HONEST conservatives such as David Brooks and George Will are even fed up.
As a proud progressive I know that there are good lessons to be learned from the conservative camp (e.g., the dynamic power of markets). This administration, however, ain't got nothin' of any value to teach.
Please engage my diatribe in the context of Daniel K's original post to this thread - he summed up Dino Rossi's book (and life) as:
"Leadership - None
Business - Real Estate
Politics - Loser
Life - Ok, perhaps he might have something to say there."
Let's see, Dino's a loser with no leadership experience. Yet he garnered more votes than the current Governor - twice - and a majority of residents of Washington feel he is the true winner of the 2004 Gubernatorial Election.
So say what you will about my chutzpah, but don't blame me for the lack of communication and discussion, the rift, between the right and the left. George W Bush is ChimpyMcHitler, and Dino Rossi is a Loser with no leadership skills - according to YOUR compadres.
I responded in kind - WE own the White House, Congress, and Supreme Court. IF YOU WANT RATIONAL DEBATE AND DISCUSSION, THEN YOU HAVE TO COME TO US - AND ACT LIKE YOU MEAN IT. Otherwise, we can and will run the country without you.
"WE own..." is typical of your infantile discourse. America is governed through civil understanding. Right and left hold hands to do things such as elect school boards, city councils, members of congress, etc.
America has a panoply of real dilemmas and decisions to confront. Fatuous diatribes in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS may give you some lame comfort, but contributes zero to intelligent debate.
I'm not sure, but I imagine there's a candlelight vigil just begging for your participation. Travel safely.
Posted by: Danny on October 10, 2005 04:22 PMThose who have no ideas to contribute engage in the shallow exchange of insults.
From the tone of your post it sounds as if you also prefer take no prisoners ideological warfare. That can be done, too. Be careful what you wish for, however. It also sounds as if your sense of history may be a tad shallow. Anyone who reflects a bit shall realize that the ideological pendulum swings both ways. Pray tell, by the way, what does "a real squish" mean exactly? Enquiring minds wish to know.
I hardly need to speak; you folks speak for yourselves, such as: "you and your small minded Trotskyite cumbaya pantywaist whiners..."
Jeepers, that's articulate. The intellectual candlepower is brigther than that of Harriet Miers' chirpy visage. Please favor us, Danny and THS, with some more of your brilliant dialogue.
I'm not sure who the "We" is that intends to make policy. If we lend two hands and a spotlight will it, perchance, yield an intelligent (not to mention civil...) response?
Posted by: bartelby on October 10, 2005 05:39 PMPosted by: bartelby on October 10, 2005 06:52 PM
I haven't seen this much troll activity on a thread since the trial!
If the mere mention of "Dino Rossi" causes this much of a troll storm.....I'm thinking we can look forward to a mass exodus of trolls and wingbats from our state with a Rossi governorship! And - perhaps an additional wing at Harborview's Mental facility may be in order too....for the foaming wingbats (like bartelby and Daniel K)....
Nothing nastier than a foaming, spinning wingbat with Kerry/Edwards bumperstickers still on their car!
Posted by: Deborah on October 10, 2005 06:55 PMThe silence you are experiencing is due to the fact that we all know that there is nothing you like more in the world than to hear your own voice and listen to your own thoughts.
Enjoy your little world. Us big adults have work to do.
Posted by: Larry on October 10, 2005 07:21 PMVery articulate but unfortunately empty rhetoric. The pendulum is indeed swinging, but I don't think you will like the direction it is taking. Maybe not in the State of Washington, since that's almost a lost cause because of the liberal masses in Seattle, as if that were the only city in the state. However, the rest of this country is waking up to the dangerous liberal social engineering taking place, and not liking it. Take a good look at a red and blue map by county of the United States, and you will get my drift. Change is RIGHT around the corner. Posted by: katomar on October 10, 2005 08:34 PM
Lacking intelligent discourse, I love how folks throw out the pejorative "trolls." Do we not live in a democracy? Are you people so insecure in your tiny little mental hovels that you can't deal with a little dialogue? I am again reminded of the schoolyard bully...you know, the folks who grow up to be rent-a-cops or fast food managers, lording over others with their petty bit of authority. It may be a small, pathetic corner of the universe, but YOU RULE IT!! Knock yourselves out, boys.
Katomar,
I compliment you for putting forth a coherent, polite sentence. Perhaps we can have an intelligent discussion sometime.
Posted by: bartelby on October 10, 2005 09:45 PM
"We may disagree on some things, but we can do so without being disagreeable".
Christine Gregoire
Man, it's hard to disagree with misunderestimated 21st century clarity as spectacular as that.
But maybe that's what Rossi does in his book.
Posted by: got logic? on October 10, 2005 09:46 PMThere isn't a soul here (probably including yourself) that is even the slightest bit interested in the crap that you're peddling.
however, i'm REALLY saving room on my bookshelf for Ron Sims' and Dean Logan's books; both will probably use ghost writers--the same ghost voters that voted; can you imagine Ron's book?! spin? it will come with a tether for your shelf; it will also come with a free Glade scented bookmark to lessen the telltale roadapple scent; maybe i'll keep it in the garage or out-building; not a house book;
Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on October 10, 2005 10:07 PMGreat job Dino! You've brought so many of us out of the woodwork.
Posted by: Andy on October 10, 2005 10:20 PMSocialism and fascism are your friends - that is how you are projecting yourselves. Both sides can use shoring up, but the direction of the left is undesirable to clear thinking and healthy American. That leaves the direction of the right and center as the only healthy choices.
Posted by: KS on October 10, 2005 10:23 PMLet's start w/my good buddy Soup, who seems to mistake thinly-veiled profanity for intelligent discourse. You go, girl! How's that name calling working out for you, Soup?
Posted by: bartelby on October 10, 2005 10:35 PM"...the direction of the left is undesirable to clear thinking and healthy American."
Care for a few bread crumbs to get out of your sentence there?
"Socialism and fascism are [my] friends"? What do you base such a preposterous statement upon? Perhaps you've been sharing Mr. Limbaugh's opiates.
Come on big boy, can't you do better than that?
Posted by: bartelby on October 10, 2005 10:40 PMEither way, looks like we're stuck with it, right bartleboob?
Posted by: alphabet soup on October 10, 2005 10:42 PMDoes it really boil down to this? Hey Soup, Yo mama this, yo mama that. Does that work for you?
I think it was Bill Bennett "back in the day" who said "ideas have consequences." How far his bastard children have strayed, alas.
Posted by: Bartelby on October 10, 2005 10:50 PMAnd pancake it should! Hopefully, Seattle will come to its senses, tear down the Viaduct, and build full capacity surface road in its place. A little parking will be lost, but so what? There is no reason for Dino to take a public position now on I912. All we need is his vote. Posted by: katomar on October 10, 2005 11:30 PM
I believe my earlier comment was lost in the filter, but I did commend you for your civility (all too rare in these provinces, alas).
The viaduct is debatable. I'm not fond of the tunnel proposal, and I believe reasonable people can disagree on the issue.
I912, however, is an utter abortion. If it's so damn good, why can't Dino endorse it?
Again, wait until the viaduct pancakes. Watch the conservative pro-I912 folks scurry like cockroaches.
But I'm sure it's all worth it for a bit more HOV lane capacity on 405, eh?
Posted by: bartelby on October 11, 2005 12:13 AMThe reason a majority of folks are supporting I912 is not necessarily becuase of the tax issue in and of itself, but becuase they do not agree with the way the money is planned to be spent as a downpayment for projects that do not address congestion and are not, any of them, actually projected to be completed with the current new taxes. We all know that to accomplish the proposed projects, the taxes will be extended, increased, etc., and we will have nothing to show for it. Show us some logical road solutions, and we might be more amenable. We are also more than a little riled at being promised no tax increases and then experiencing the largest increase Washington has seen in a long time. I912 is a movement to force fiscal responsibility and political accountability. I repeat, there is no reason Dino should publicly say yeah or nay to I912. He is not running for office at the moment. I should think that would make you happy. Instead, you continue to attack him. Feeling a little defensive? Maybe you have some doubts about the recent election debacle? Posted by: katomar on October 11, 2005 12:19 AM
Frankly I am not sure why everyone needs "Dino" input. I vote MY VOTE, not Dino's vote. His opinion is strictly his opinion, and I form my own.
That is why I am having a hard time figuring out why all the Democrats have their "panties in a bind" over Dino's Silence. Maybe they are all like sheep, have the need to follow the flock, or go in complete opposite direction of someone they feel is a threat to them. Cant they think for themselves?
Just an observation!
Posted by: Chris on October 11, 2005 06:30 AMThe trollish ones would only like to draw Dino (and others) out into the open so that they can disparage them.
You'll notice that they don't espouse or defend beliefs (when was the last time you saw an original idea from a democrap?!), only criticize the beliefs and ideas of others.
I don't know whether or not Dino's book will be interesting (that's typically why you read it), but it is already abundantly clear that he is a classy guy who easily runs rings around 'rats when it comes to leadership (not much "leadership in a pack of dogs ;'}
Posted by: alphabet soup on October 11, 2005 08:37 AMPosted by: katomar on October 11, 2005 10:49 AM
Even if he gave his position, you would Slam him for his "For/Against" stance anyways. So if you want to learn about the Guy, Buy his Book, you might learn abit about him, and his values. (But then you would just call the entire book Lies) so why bother..... SOS, different day is all.
Posted by: Chris on October 11, 2005 11:04 AM
(Bwaaaahaaaaaaa!)
That's perhaps your most intelligent post.
PS - thanks for reading
Posted by: Claire on October 11, 2005 11:19 AMUmmm...the last I checked, Dino Rossi holds no elective office at this time. In fact, he is not even a declared candidate for any elective office. As such, you have no right to demand that he reveal how he feels about or will vote on an initiative currently pending on the public ballot. He is under no more obligation to reveal his position than you or I am. That is one of the rights you have as a private citizen. Until such time as Rossi declares his candidacy for public office, he should not be held to a higher standard than any other private citizen.
"Alpha,
That's perhaps your most intelligent post."
You are correct to acknowledge an intelligent post. However, we're all STILL waiting for YOUR first one.
Posted by: Larry on October 11, 2005 11:36 AMRead the post, I'm not demanding anything from Dino, but I am pointing out that he looks like an unprincipled weakling by not speaking out, in favor of or in opposition to the initiative. There's no doubt that he is a private citizen, but there's also no doubt that many Republicans in this state hold him out as some sort of standard bearer. He's still a politician, albeit an out-of-office politician. You know as well as I do that he's going to run for something in the next couple of years. When he does, people are going to ask things like "hey Dino, what've you done since you lost the election/court battle back in 2004." If he sits out the debate on I912, the side that loses is going to be unhappy and they're going to want to know where Dino was. Utlimately, don't you think its a bit weird that a prominent Republican like Dino has not voluntarily come out and expressed a view on this initiative?
Posted by: Claire on October 11, 2005 02:24 PMIn answer to the question, "what have you done since..." blah blah blah, the best answer is this: I have raised my family, given of myself in loving my wife and children, minded my business interests, treated people decently and with respect. If he says that, he'll be claiming ground that very few Democrats who now hold elective office in WA state can claim.
Posted by: Interested Observer on October 11, 2005 04:39 PMbartelsby said:
"Socialism and fascism are [my] friends"? What do you base such a preposterous statement upon? Perhaps you've been sharing Mr. Limbaugh's opiates."
I base it on the left's [and your] positions on various policies - the laissez-faire approach to corruption by King County, your encouragement of illegal aliens to vote here and do as they please along with open borders (maybe not your stand), growing government, wealth redistribution in America (socialism) and the support of that quasi-fascist organization the ACLU and the suppression of religion. The right has some outrageous ideas also, such as big business driving our economy - along the borders and to a degree in the middle east and Bush spends like a drunken sailor.
Do you care to demonstrate that the above statement is preposterous. If you do not respond directly - we, the readers of this blog would have to believe that you prefer socialist and fascist policies - like George Soros wants and am sure that you have some company over there at horse's butt.
Posted by: KS on October 11, 2005 08:40 PMWhile there is certainly nothing wrong with "religion" per-se, you along with Claire, Bartlebub, and Ted Kennedy et al. are all extreme wacko religious zealots if ever there was such a thing . . . and your religion is secular liberalism (communism).
Hint: If you don’t like Dino Rossi, why not simply (and honestly) say why in clear substantive terms? Otherwise you just reveal how much of a dumb ass you are. (By the way, thanks for the fun.)
The answer is BECAUSE:
You presume that you are not “religious” because you unconsciously accept a common simplistic liberal meaning of the word. As you say, “a lot of people have problems with understanding the simplest of facts,” and “For all I [you] know they could all be liberals, or communists.” Get a grip on reality.
Fine example Dan. Facts indeed;
Fact or empty opinion?—‘Leadership - None. Leadership is not about thinking only of one's political gain. That's all Rossi ever does.’ Wow, that’s persuasive and authoritative.
Fact or simplistic silliness?--"before too long a number of you will be quoting 'factually' from it [his book] as if it were the bible.” Hey Dan, if Dino asserts verifiable facts, they are quotable. Are you saying that your shallow unfounded (liberal religious) crap is more pre-eminently sacrosanct than the contents of the bible?
Fact or fiction?--As recently as February 47% of people still thought Saddam Hussein helped plan and support the 9/11 hijackers, and that number was going up from previous polling! In a 2002 survey it was found that 11% of college age adults could find the USA on a map and 29% couldn't locate the Pacific Ocean.” 63% of modern urban liberals believe that dogs have an after-life even though they believe there is no such thing as god, tin foil was invented in a small village in Somalia over two thousand years ago, and two-to-one, dentists say Crest is the number one cavity fighting toothpaste. Good job Dan--we get ya (moron).
”Idiotic assertion . . . or just an idiotic assertion?--Gregoire has to deal with the problems this state is facing while Rossi can sit around and write a book.” Whaaaat?
Dan, you are a true believer. Objectification of faith or radical secularism (communism) is worship of the state. Your empty simplistic fallacies and pseudo-intellectual pretenses combine to exhibit the most extreme rigid dutiful devotion to the religion of the state.
Such demonstrations that particular concepts in context are too difficult for one like you to reason into perspective absent doctrinaire classifications come as no surprise. Your silly attempts at pretending to condescend are (at best) pathetic. Some time (just for fun) think for at least a moment, or . . . try again sometime when you have someone to formulate a line of reason for you in substitution for your otherwise baseless thick-headed nattering.
I gotta hand it to you though; you are humorous in a feeble typically liberal sort of way.
Still waiting for your first intelligent post.
Face it - you didn't want Dino to be Governor, you wanted Gregoire in office.
Now you want Dino to act like Governor.
Make up your freakin' mind - if you have one, that is.
Posted by: Larry on October 12, 2005 03:42 PM