September 24, 2005
Die, Monorail, Die

In a dramatic turn of events yesterday, the Seattle City Council voted unanimously to deny permits to the Monorail.

The Seattle Monorail Project responded by filing a November ballot initiative to authorize a shorter line (without lowering the car tax). But it would take an overwhelming pro-Monorail majority, I'm sure, for the mayor and city council to reverse themselves and approve Monorail permits. And the success of "shut the project down" candidates Jim Nobels and Beth Goldberg on Tuesday would not indicate that the people of Seattle are willing to keep paying for a system that is being downsized to the point of resembling the Pedersen backyard monorail.

Just shut the SMP down and move on.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at September 24, 2005 10:39 AM | Email This
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1. But Stefan, you're forgetting about the folks like cliff, interviewed last night as he prepared to board a bus, who said: "Yea, We voted for it before, and we'll keep voting and voting and voting for it. That's how we are!"

Stuck on stupid. Son, that's no way to go through life ;'}

Posted by: alphabet soup on September 24, 2005 10:47 AM
2. Wow, I like the backyard monorail.

Posted by: bmvaughn on September 24, 2005 11:05 AM
3. How is this for a South Sound current event?

Protestors talk foreign policy in Dupont Park
Tacoma News Tribune

More on the demonstration at Respectfully Republican.

Posted by: Patrick E. Bell on September 24, 2005 11:20 AM
4. I'm hopefully that this time Seattle voters will *finally* nix the idea. While there are certainly some residents that have some kind of bizarre religious preference for a monorail over all other modes of transport, I think most of its supporters were really saying that they wanted a city rapid transit system.

Light rail is looking like much more of a reality today than it did in 1997 ( or even 2002 ). A cost comparison of light rail with the monorail comes out decisively in favor of the light rail system. And some of the hyperbole about monorails being "cheap" or "sleek" has been pretty well demolished by now.

I predict a strong defeat in November, and the merciful end of SMP.

Posted by: Doug on September 24, 2005 11:55 AM
5. That backyard monorail is just great!!

Posted by: Mark D on September 24, 2005 12:01 PM
6. If I had to guess, I'd say that "Doug" the light-rail enthusiast works for Sound Transit or one of its contractors.

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on September 24, 2005 12:08 PM
7. Stefan: "If I had to guess, I'd say that "Doug" the light-rail enthusiast works for Sound Transit or one of its contractors."

Nope, just a Seattle resident. I've voted against the monorail four times to date and I'm looking forward to doing so again. I will admit that I've been impressed with, for example, the Portland light rail and think that a similar system would benefit Seattle.

Posted by: Doug on September 24, 2005 12:21 PM
8. Monorail boosters should just buy the existing system, extend it with their own money and keep all the profits. That would teach Seattle!

Posted by: Walter E. Wallis on September 24, 2005 12:53 PM
9. I think we should allow the same people who voted for the narrows bridge to vote on the monorail.

It would only be fair that the people of Gig Harbor stick the folks in Seattle with a project they don't want.

Posted by: Vince on September 24, 2005 02:20 PM
10. Considering the knowledge, sophistication and balanced judgment in this particular post and comments, I have no doubt that you all will find it beneficial to listen to a tv show on the monorail, linked to here..

Posted by: David Sucher on September 24, 2005 06:32 PM
11. Geeze! Kill it already!!

SMP Board members called for Kristina Hill's resignation....she refused! (er....Kristina? Now might be the best time for you to leave....before the lawsuits begin?...This could be a downer for your resume`....)

My God! They can't even fire the *acting* leadership!

The Seattle Monorail Project has the makings of a really bad scary movie!

Posted by: Deborah on September 24, 2005 07:12 PM
12. Good News: The Monorail is dead
Bad News: City Leaders will never ever ever get rid of the car tax you folks voted upon yourself. They are already wanting to use it for UnSound Transit (Whoops on Wheels), the current Monorail overhaul, and last and probably far from least, Seattle's Viaduct Big Dig Tunnel!

They are standing in lines with their hands out

Posted by: GS on September 24, 2005 09:29 PM
13. Monorail. Super-resistant bacterial strains in hospitals.
Wow--if we could just join the two technologies, think of the possibilities!! Cures and rides for all.

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on September 24, 2005 10:32 PM
14. but what about all those monorail guys and their six figure pay checks? Don't you care about the dirty dozen? (or so)...I feel just awful for them if they lose their jobs...painful...

aw, screw them and the 2K I've spent on car tabs over the last couple of years, at least their living better than me! ****ers!

Any chance we can get their resumes and how/why they are qualified to ruin our city? Maybe their addresses so I can see how much better their living than me? ugh...

Posted by: bob on September 25, 2005 12:32 AM
15. but what about all those monorail guys and their six figure pay checks? Don't you care about the dirty dozen? (or so)...I feel just awful for them if they lose their jobs...painful...

aw, screw them and the 2K I've spent on car tabs over the last couple of years, at least their living better than me! ****ers!

Any chance we can get their resumes and how/why they are qualified to ruin our city? Maybe their addresses so I can see how much better their living than me? ugh...

Posted by: rtwinger on September 25, 2005 12:33 AM
16. The SMP's ballot measure language is inappropriate in at least the following way. It would allow SMP to change "the Plan" (a capitalized but undefined term) with City Council consent. The "explanation" in the paper that this blog entry links to says that this means that the route can be changed -- like not through Seattle center but instead down Second -- with CC approval. Well, if that is all that is meant, the ballot title should substitute "the guideway alignment" for "the Plan."

"the Plan" could also be interpreted by an aggressive, monomaniacle agency like SMP as every aspect of its plan to build a monorail. Part of SMP's Plan is what percentage of MVET can be collected, how the board members are elected, and what the bonding limitation is. We do not need to give SMP new unilateral powers to go to the City Council and get its agreement to change whatever it may be about "the Plan" that SMP may want to modify.

Apparently this ballot measure was hastily cobbled together just before a filing deadline, so all possible negative implications of it need to be addressed. There will be a legal challenge, and we must make sure that it is not a SMP shill (in wolf's clothing) leading that legal charge.

Posted by: ripley on September 25, 2005 08:52 AM
17. Would you vote to kill off your own 6 figure salary? Nonorail board members are firmly attached to the puble teet. It will take more than a public vote to detach the parasites.

Posted by: JCM on September 25, 2005 09:10 AM
18. Speaking as one of the many out-of-Seattle people who will end up paying for the boonedoggle I have a proposal based on proven government projects over the years.

Why don't they cut the monorail back to it's current route and declare it an official historic site that imortalizes the Seattle World's Fair of 1962?

That way we save money (ours, our children, our grandchildren, ect) and by it being declared officially historic it is then against the law to change the outward appearance (and that includes adding track!). Just a thought. Since it's going nowhere anyway might as well make it official.

Posted by: Victor on September 25, 2005 04:00 PM
19. I voted for the monorail before I voted against it. Kill the monorail, kill the viaduct tunnel, kill the . . . Light Rail! oops, too late.

Posted by: Calvin on September 25, 2005 08:22 PM
20. I wish the monorail progect were already killed!! Maybe that is wishful thinking!!

Posted by: Laurie on September 26, 2005 08:00 AM
21. Someone here should provide a review of the numbers and compare what it would cost to build the monorail versus what it would cost to purchase 10, 20 hell 50 new buses (and run them on the proposed monorail route) and operational costs of the two. This should be fairly compressive, taking into account the cost of inflation, paying drivers, fuel, scheduled bus replacement (maybe every ten years or so) and such.

Somehow I bet the buses would be a lot cheaper in the long run and we might be able to provide this service far more quickly.

The only way they're ever going to have a monorail running down second avenue is on the backs of semis.

Posted by: Snake on September 26, 2005 08:02 AM
22. When they announced they wanted to try for federal funding for this failed project, I blew a gasket. I let them know that when they try to involved the eastside, Wenatchee, and kansas to fund their failed project, they would see more opposition than they ever dreamed. Don't let them do it!

Posted by: Michele on September 26, 2005 09:45 PM
23. Recently heard refrain in Seattle streets:

No, no, a thousand times no, don't take away my monorail!!!!
Take my clogs, bank my whales, but don’t you take my monorail
Got to has it, got to has it, got to has my monorail!
Over hills, and over dales, over-fund my monorails

Please oh please, hear me wail, mommy I want my monorail
Seattle’s pride, the city’s grail, must be a shiny monorail
Oh monorail, oh monorail, gots to has my monorail!
Ignore the bums and urine stale, scrap the bus go monorail

Give me heads or give me tails, jus promise me a monorail
Mommy, mommy sell the pony, and call the money monoroney
Nix truth of costs, certain failures, I jus want my monorailures
Oh give me bullshit, tell me tales, but fork me over my monorails

By Wanna Freebie

Posted by: Amused by liberals on September 28, 2005 10:25 AM
24. Amused - You've outdone yourself!

Posted by: alphabet soup on September 29, 2005 08:19 AM
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