Bob Strauss, of the Eastside Republicans and State GOP Committee, sent this in:
In yesterday’s mail some voters in the 9th Councilmatic District received a campaign mailing sent out by the Reagan Dunn campaign. This mailing was a Hit piece in the truest sense of the word; it was dropped at the last minute and put Steve Hammond in the worst possible light.I recall hearing Reagan Dunn on the radio, promise not to run if the party nominated Steve Hammond, and vice versa.(Before I go on and in the interest of full disclosure; I need to let you all know that I have endorsed Steve Hammond, and that endorsement was made last January. I have pretty much stayed out of the race between Steve and Reagan because I consider them both friends, I think they are both qualified, and I don’t live in the district. That said, I also do not think it is appropriate for a Republican to drop this kind of hit piece on another Republican.)
The piece talks about Steve missing 144 votes, and highlights that he missed the 2005 budget vote. The number may be factually correct, but it leaves out the fact that he missed the bulk of these votes because his father died. Upon the death of his father, he went back east for the funeral and stayed a while to help his mother put his father’s affairs in order. All of the other members of the County Council were aware of the reason that Steve was missing votes, and they all understood. As one who believes in family values, I think Steve did the right thing and had his priorities in order!
The piece also talks about the amount of money that Steve spent on his offices, home and downtown. What it doesn’t say is that each Councilmember is given a budget for office expenses and that last year Steve did not use his entire budget. He gave that money [back] (in fact, I think he gave back more than any of the other Council members).
I have no problem with campaign mailings that point out the difference between candidates, but I consider this mailing over the top. (If Steve sent out this kind of mailing, I would be writing this e-mail in defense of Reagan.) I feel that it was important to let all of you know the facts behind the allegations in the mailing.
Bob Strauss
From the mailer:
"Taxpayers spent over $18,000 equipping Hammond's Seattle office and his "district office" in his home with goodies including two color laser printers ($2,3000), [sic] 19" LCD monitors ($833), a camcorder ($556), a refrigerator ($282.10), two air purifiers ($652.73) and a very special executive chair for $790.17." (emphasis in original)
The italicized emphasis is curious. If Steve Hammond had needed to rent a district office outside of his home, I wonder if the above mailer would have asked why he was wasting taxpayer money on office space and not just working from a home office.
The implication in the above is that there's something untoward or graftlike about working from home (and being supplied to do so). In actuality, it was likely a huge increase in his efficiency and productivity, allowing him to work without a commute from Enumclaw.
It also begs the question: what are the other councilmembers spending, what is our evidence that Dunn would not also fill a home office with "goodies" even though his commute is much shorter?
Update: Thanks to reader Pudge for scanning the postcard: Front and Back.
I also recall hearing Reagan Dunn on the radio, promise not to run if the party nominated Steve Hammond, and vice versa.
Remember, it's not about what the people want... it's about what the people can be talked in to.
Posted by: huckleberry on September 19, 2005 12:58 PMThat was only if the top two system stayed in place. That was quite clear from the beginning. The only reason the convention was held was in response to the top two. When that went down, it was well understood that the convention meant little.
And frankly, if Hammond can't take it on the chin with a so-called 'hit piece' that mild, he doesn't deserve to be in politics. Something I've thought ever since the first time I heard him speak about how 'unfair' it was that there is a primary contest for the seat.
Posted by: Cliff on September 19, 2005 01:23 PM1.) Steve was the one Republican on the KC Council, who voiced his opinion in the strongest ways about the need for a proof of citizenship, for voters registration. The other Rs barely mentioned it once.
2.) Steve was the one nominated by the Convention.
3.) Steve was the one, who went to all this trouble to come up to my door and campaign for himself, and I do not live in his old district. He was quite surprised that I knew who he was.
4.) Although both candidates may be well qualified, Reagan is still very young and will have a plenty opportunities to show his talents. He would be well advised to pick his opponents more wisely, (i.e. Jane H.?).
5.) The late mailings, an act of malice, just confirmed that I made the right desicion.
Posted by: EW on September 19, 2005 01:30 PMWe are perpetually being told that what is wanted is a strong man who will do things. What is really wanted is a strong man who will undo things; and that will be the real test of strength. J K Chesterton 1874-1936.
Oh how that statement applies today!
I think the man for the job is Steve Hammond!
Thanks to Steve for being true to the people of his constituency!
Cindy
When agents for the Dunn campaign attempted smears on these pages I commented to the Dunn campaign that "with friends like these...", but never heard back from him or his staff.
Either they were indifferent or they tacitly endorsed the underhanded tactics.
Again, like cliff says. "if Hammond can't take it on the chin with a so-called 'hit piece'..."
It is my observation that Mr. Hammond can and does take it, and is capable of anything else you can dredge up and fling at him.
He earned my vote.....
Posted by: alphabet soup on September 19, 2005 01:36 PMIt's a shame that the King County GOP lacks the leadership to stick by the will of its own membership -- who also were not told (again, that I am aware of) that their vote would be thrown out if the court overturned the top-two.
Cliff says Reagan Dunn said this; did he, explicitly? And were the voters told explicitly, as Cliff implied? I participated in the convention process in Snohomish, and there was no such indication that the nomination would stand only contingent on the court case, and in fact, our party's chair said he would fight in court if he had to, to make the nominations stand.
As to the documents themselves:
http://homepage.mac.com/pudge/.Pictures/ReaganHitBack.pdf
http://homepage.mac.com/pudge/.Pictures/ReaganHitFront.pdf
I don't know anything about Hammond or Dunn, FWIW. I don't pay much attention to KC affairs. I'm not picking sides here.
Sorry, Reagan, not with my vote.
Honor and dignity go a long way, and Reagan is showing me neither.
Posted by: Cheryl on September 19, 2005 02:32 PMThis breed of dirty pool ticked me off so much that I hand-delivered a message to the "Friends" of Reagun Dunn UPS Box this morning. I wrote the following:
To Reagan Dunn and “friends”:
As a voter in Maple Valley, I am disgusted by your despicable use of last minute negative advertising against Councilman Steve Hammond, your opponent in tomorrow’s Republican primary. It was obvious that you intended to question Mr. Hammond’s integrity on the last real mailing day before voters like myself went to the polls. I was never firmly in Mr. Hammond’s camp until now.
When I went to the King County Republican Nominating Convention earlier this year, I was totally turned off by your attitude towards those of us you intend to support. You walked around with your own personal entourage (photographers and other media ilk) like you owned the place and Mama Dunn was waiting in the wings for her baby’s first campaign. Your subsequent whining about losing at the convention just shows that you are not a person to be trusted and only see this as the first step in your political career. Just a note, we don’t owe you anything because of your pedigree. You have to stand for something! As of now, all we can see is that you expect to be the crowned prince of our King County district!
Please note, I WILL be voting for Councilman Hammond (despite his missing 144 votes for a funeral and other family business). Should you manage to win in the primary on September 20th, I will symbolically boycott the vote in November. I would expect quite a few others will do the same. Your tactics and attitude are appalling. No wonder everyone hates politicians!
P.S. Please remove me from your calling and mailing lists. I no longer wish to hear from your false and misleading campaign “friends”.
I would erase it because vagabond can't back it up
and he knows it.Steve Hammond did no such thing
Every time I ask a dunn supporter what it was steve
did or said they either can't back it up or
they get upset because steve hammond actually
had the gall to point out difference's between
he and dunn.
If that is considered breaking the 11th
commandment they we are finished as a political
party.This is so typical of reagan dunn he
says he told his campaign to abide by the 11th commandment
and proceeds to through mud on his opponent.
What he really wanted was everyone else to follow it.
Reagan has 5 different reasons now for staying
in the race.So you see he never could make up
his mind why he stayed in the race.There was
never any discussion about reagan dunn staying
if the top two system was dropped.He didn't say
that in any interview after the convention.
Then of course he brings out the meth watch
and rural citzens bill of rights.Which aren't
bad ideas but when did he do it right close
to election time.
Reagan dunn could have introduced these ideas
months earlier.Instead once again its a
calculated move on Reagan's part.He wanted
the publicity the media would give him.
proving once again that this is about reagan
dunn and not the citzens of 9th district.
But my support was for the candidate, not the last name. And if the best her kid can do is a weak postcard like that, I won't be surprised when he loses this primary.
Hammond should be able to take the postcard hit, it's pretty weak stuff. Blind hit pieces like this don't come from an intelligent and organized victory strategy, but rather the frantic final efforts of a sinking campaign.
Sadly, it looks like a last grasp of desperation from the Dunn camp. I don't know Reagan Dunn and can't speak to his character, and I wouldn't say that one mailpiece should either, but I expected a little more class from someone with his last name.
Posted by: Christopher on September 19, 2005 02:59 PMBut my support was for the candidate, not the last name. And if the best her kid can do is a weak postcard like that, I won't be surprised when he loses this primary.
Hammond should be able to take the postcard hit, it's pretty weak stuff. Blind hit pieces like this don't come from an intelligent and organized victory strategy, but rather the frantic final efforts of a sinking campaign.
Sadly, it looks like a last grasp of desperation from the Dunn camp. I don't know Reagan Dunn and can't speak to his character, and I wouldn't say that one mailpiece should either, but I expected a little more class from someone with his last name.
Posted by: Christopher on September 19, 2005 02:59 PMI'll be voting for Steve.
Posted by: Bruce Welder on September 19, 2005 03:27 PMWednesday can't come soon enough.
Posted by: Reporterward on September 19, 2005 03:43 PMBTW - a vote FOR Reagan Dunn is a vote AGAINST Dean Logan as he drafted a "no-confidence" resolution against that crook. Reagan Dunn is endorsed by - among others - The Seattle Times, The King County Journal, Island Republican and Josef's Public Journal.
A vote FOR Reagan Dunn is a vote FOR accountability and innovation.
Posted by: Reagan Dunn Fan on September 19, 2005 04:29 PM"Reagan Dunn is endorsed by - among others - The Seattle Times, The King County Journal, Island Republican and Josef's Public Journal."
That's not exactly a ringing endorsement. The day I base my vote upon the endorsements of the media (and some of it hostile media at that) is the day I should be carted off in a padded truck.
Posted by: jimg on September 19, 2005 04:58 PM This is supposed to be your justification
for the smear letter on Steve Hammond.
You people are really something.
Pudge
The reason that the King Gop hasn't done
anything is other than Bob Strauss and Monica
Tracey the central committee are all in the
tank for Reagan Dunn.I guarantee you if the
situation were reversed and Steve Hammond
broke his promise to drop out of the race.
The same people that have been standing silent
Would be screaming bloody murder until
steve got of the race.
This is supposed to be your justification
for the smear letter on Steve Hammond.
You people are really something.
Pudge
The reason that the King Gop hasn't done
anything is other than Bob Strauss and Monica
Tracey the central committee are all in the
tank for Reagan Dunn.I guarantee you if the
situation were reversed and Steve Hammond
broke his promise to drop out of the race.
The same people that have been standing silent
Would be screaming bloody murder until
steve got out of the race.
You may want to visit the two blogs named. As well as the King County Journal. Both of whom support what SP & Reagan Dunn is doing. One even calls Reagan Dunn the King County Councilor for the 39 Counties or something like that.
Phil Sackman;
That ad was a just, fast and fair attack on a man who had it coming. He shouldn't have spent OUR money like that in the first place. To quote BC Premier Gordon Campbell: "There is no such thing as government money. Just the taxpayers."
Remember, Reagan Dunn is fighting for YOU AND ME!!.
A vote for ham is ham.
A vote for Dunn is to make done Dean Logan.
Remember to vote for the candidates Dean Logan would not vote for! Reagan Dunn and Bob Ferguson!
Posted by: Reagan Dunn Fan on September 19, 2005 06:26 PMI hope Hammond wins tomorrow because he is the true Conservative in the race and we need him on the Council. We don't need another apologist for "moderation" when it comes to critical issues. Hammond has been there for land use policies, taxation, moral values issues, and the proper role of government. He deserves support by the GOP tomorrow since he was nominated by the process in place at the time. I also just plain like Steve Hammond. He is a genuine good, honest, guy.
Posted by: Barry Nunn on September 19, 2005 06:28 PMOh well - remember to vote against the candidate Dean Logan would vote for. Small problem - Olalla, Kitsap County is where his mansion is. Of course, the Honest Elections Project will help cure this problem.
Posted by: Reagan Dunn Fan on September 19, 2005 06:31 PMWhy are you and roughrider voting for the Dean Logan candidate who didn't propose and support a no-confidence motion on Dean Logan?
Methinks any vote for Hammond = a horrible Republican who doesn't support the troops taking the fight to Dean Logan.
Posted by: Reagan Dunn Fan on September 19, 2005 06:34 PM Your pathetic the more you run your mouth.
the more you bury yourself.You know as well
as I do Steve Hammond called for Dean Logan
resignation to.(yeah he wasn't first)but
he did do it.
I still have yet to hear what it was Steve
Hammond said or did to violate the 11th
commandment.Since your from Reagan Dunn's
campaign why don't you step up and tell us
all what it was?
You do realise the more you run your mouth, the more I and many others want to vote for this guy-- the ad critisising him for not voting while he attended to his father's funeral and affairs pushed me in Hammond's favor, but your yabbering is sealing the deal. Exactly how is it that he doesn't support the troops? What do you base this on? If you're going to start throwing out such incindiary comments, please provide some proof.
Posted by: Mike H on September 19, 2005 07:41 PM I would be more concerned why Reagan Dunn
has never condemned this behavior.This has been
going on for a while now.What other conclusion
can anyone come to except Reagan must be ok
with this rhetoric.
Posted by: phil spackman on September 19, 2005 07:56 PM
If I were to endorse candidates for this election they would look like this:
David Irons - King County Executive
Steve Hammond - King County Council
Orin Wells - King County Council
Jim Fuda - King County Sheriff
Suzette Cooke - Mayor - Kent
The Steve Hammond campaign has not issued a single "hit" piece against Reagan Dunn much less one containing the statements provided by Vagabond. Nor would you ever catch Hammond ever saying, much less thinking such things. Vagabond's statement is a fabrication.
Furthermore, Steve's doctoral degree is from a religious school (he was a pastor after all). That school is no more a diploma mill than any other religious educational institution, such as Grove City College and many, many others.
Vagabond's attacks on Hammond would make one suspect he is a Dunn supporter, but I'm sure the nonsense coming from Vagabond would be considered vile by Reagan. Apparently, he's just another garden variety nut.
Posted by: barchester on September 19, 2005 09:04 PMI am against the use of the 11th Commandment as a way to prevent candidates from talking about each other in any negative fashion. But dishonest smear campaigns -- assuming that this one is as dishonest as it appears -- is precisely what the use of the 11th is really supposed to be for.
In all fairness to Dean Logan... as much as we all love to loathe him, is he really living in a mansion? While an annual salary of $123,000 is too much money for a county beaurocrat, I don't know of too many folks around here building actual mansions on that kind of salary.
Posted by: Mike H on September 19, 2005 09:34 PMNow, as to the claim Vagabond made: his "Masters" and "Doctors" degrees both came from a non-accredited diploma mill.
It is true that he got Master's and Doctor's degrees from Southern Baptist School, which is not accredited by any accreditation authority. Whether or not it is a "diploma mill" is an exercise left to each, but they do grant credit based on life learning, which is a common feature of such programs.
That said, I don't care so much about whether an institution is unaccredited; accreditation is just a way for us to conveniently and quickly judge the approximate value of a degree. It doesn't guarantee quality, nor is its absence evidence of a lack of quality.
Personally, though, my general feeling is that people who use these degrees are really trying to make themselves look more accomplished than they "are", but on the other hand, our society places too much emphasis on diplomas as measurements of accomplishment, and it could very well be that Hammond is as accomplished in those areas as anyone who does have a diploma from an accredited institution.
So, FWIW. Once again, no dog in this race for me: use this information as you see fit. Though if you use it to nastily smear Mr. Hammond, a kitten will die.
Classy.
I know the majority of Hammonds supporters don't fall into this view of thinking but it's unfortunate that members of the fringe are allowed so much rope yet can't figure out how to tie a knot to hang themselves with it.
I've had a chance to meet with Hammond, whom I like and is capable.
I've had a chance to meet with Dunn, whom I like and is capable.
And whoever wins is going to make an excellent councilmember.
I can't wait until Wednesday.
Posted by: Reporterward on September 19, 2005 10:54 PMDoug Parris (www.thereaganwing.com) and Phil Spackman (rightofseattle.blogspot.com) are two of the worst.
Then go to the Citizens Alliance for Property Rights (www.proprights.org) email discussion list to complete the trifecta.
The party leadership has turned a blind eye to these very public negative attacks on Dunn for months. But now that Dunn has issued what appears to be a fact-checked mailer detailing 144 missed votes by Mr. Hammond, the whining from the anti-Dunn crowd has reached a fever pitch.
I got the mailer last Friday night. Even Hammond supporters admit it's true - Mr. Hammond did miss 144 votes. Because he was at a funeral doesn't change that fact. So I called up Anne Noris, the Clerk of the Council, to double-check. It turns out that Mr. Hammond has actually missed 150 votes. During the two weeks that Mr. Hammond was gone last year, the funeral only accounted for 51 of those votes - one third of the total.
So I asked Anne about the rest of the stuff about the office furniture. True true and true. Mr. Hammond did use his office fund for a $1,000 GPS system. He does have his office at his residence in Enumclaw. She assured me that sometimes Councilmembers do have their office at their home.
Apparently so is his campaign office.
So Steve Hammond has his campaign office AND his county office at his home. Once you come to that realization, you have to ask yourself if the $1,000 county-bought GPS system was used just for county business.
This is just very disappointing.
While I have leaned towards Dunn, I've always felt that Steve Hammond was an honest broker. Now that I've learned his masters and doctorate degrees come from an unaccredited college and all of this furniture stuff is true, I'm no longer sure.
Enron Sims
($2,300 for two color laser printers? is this really necessary?)
Posted by: Enron Sims on September 20, 2005 06:09 AM
You may not like what I said but its the truth.
Sure maybe some of the wording was a little over the top but I said nothing there that wasn't
true.Unlike the other side who make things up
and resort to name calling and personal attacks.
Pudge
Don't expect chris vance to do anything.He is
giving jennifer dunn an award next month.So
there's no way he is going any were near this.
The discussion regarding Steve Hammond's degree has not gone from "it is from a diploma mill" to it might have permitted use of life credits which, by implication I guess, Steve might have used (though he reports having worked on this over a course of years) and because of that he's a fraud, and by one account liar, because he listed this degree on his resume (assuming, I suppose, that he should have left it off or given it an asterix of "non-accredited," to satisfy the self-appointed college evaluators who happen to support Reagan Dunn).
And, were we using the logic of previous posts regarding comments of long-time opponents of the Dunn family within the context of this campaign (which apparently Steve is supposed to expend resources fighting against -- fights he didn't start) we'd be seeing a mail piece from the Dunn camp denouncing the diploma mill standard. Of course we aren't seeing such a response because Reagan is no more responsible for that ridiculous diploma mill charge than Steve is for others, based on long term pre-existing grievances, issued by persons who have rallied to his side in this contest against Reagan.
Enron Sims seems awfully worked up about Hammond's home office expenditures without comparing them to the office expenditures of other councilmembers, notably Reagan Dunn. I think Dunn's supporters should provide an inventory of their county supplied equipment, and should include the overhead costs for Dunn's district office which you can be assured far exceed Hammond's office expenditures.
Posted by: get serious on September 20, 2005 06:58 AMSorry for the confusion, if any.
Posted by: get serious on September 20, 2005 07:27 AMThere's no rule that says only institutions accredited by private companies A, B, and C are eligible for listing on a resume. It's incumbent upon the reader of a resume to follow up with the claims made on it.
It's fair to say his degrees are from a non-accredited program. It's not fair to say that this constitutes dishonesty.
Also, I was not making any implication about what Steve did, I was just laying out the facts. From the facts available to me, it is possible he got some or most of his credit for life experience, and I thought that was worth noting.
I made my comment earlier regarding the veracity, credibility, and honorable intentions of the two Republican candidates, and beyond that I voiced no accusations, spread no rumors, or made any associations.
I had hoped that representatives of each candidate would make some sort of official declaration regarding the crap that has been spewed, but, as yet, have not seen one.
What I have seen is readily apparent - go back and reread this thread from the top down.
I can't speak for anyone else but what I said before has been clearly illustrated: "With friends like these, who needs enemies?"
I hope y'all give it a long hard look and then go vote your conscience.
Posted by: alphabet soup on September 20, 2005 11:17 AMCorrect me if I'm wrong, but is not Evergreen State College accredited? Are you seriously then saying that a BA from them as more credible than a Doctorate in Theology (or whatever Hammond has) from an unaccredited religious school?
Posted by: Mike H on September 20, 2005 12:50 PMI only bring this up because if you are directing that at me, then it seems something about what you're saying is out of whack.
Read the whole thing. ...taking the fight to Dean Logan.
If he did, he'd co-sponsor the no-confidence resolution in Dean Logan. Of course he won't - chickens--t. Reagan Dunn is the candidate who will put a flamethrower on Dean Logan's buttocks!!
Posted by: Mike H on September 19, 2005 09:34 PM
Gee, I would think anybody w/ that kind of money would have a nice abode. Come on - I admit - that's a bit of patriotic hyperbole. Besides to me:
Dean Logan = Evil
Reagan Dunn = Calvaryman
Steve Hammond = Not Up To the Job, A Pansy with fanatic vote-fraud committing fans who can't let # of votes = # of voters and as RD has proven - a thief.
Sound Politics = The Truth, period.
Rob McKenna = RMK, Our Man in Olympia
They attacked Chris Vance during the re-vote campaign - for the sake of. His courage and tenacity helped bring the WSRP to the battlefield to start the long road to recovery from vote fraud.
They attack Reagan Dunn - who has been the most aggressive fighter against Dean Logan.
[In fact, according to my sources, Dean Logan has a bulls-eye of Reagan Dunn in his office. But this is just rumor at this point.]
Gee, maybe it's The Sims Wing after all... run by a Frenchman proxy. Prepare your white flag...
Posted by: Reagan Dunn Fan on September 20, 2005 02:01 PMHey Frenchman, while you prepare your white flag factory - you might wanna note to your pal Jacques Sims or is it Jacques Chirac? - that was sarcasm.
Here is the definition of sarcasm - in English, not your native French sadly:
sar·casm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (särkzm)
n.
A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at wit1.
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[Late Latin sarcasmus, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein, to bite the lips in rage, from sarx, sark-, flesh.]
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Enjoy your surrender party tonight. Reagan Dunn's my man! BTW, you have Paris Hilton's cell #? I hear she's really, really hot and likes good French parties.
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You all can go HERE and HERE for flags/signs to support Reagan Dunn's War on that statist piglet from Kitsap County Dean Logan!!
Reagan Dunn IS my King County Councilor because he's the Councilman for the 39 Counties!
Posted by: Reagan Dunn Fan on September 20, 2005 02:09 PMNice abode and mansion are two different things.
Posted by: Mike H on September 20, 2005 02:14 PMGuess so, Mike H. Hope you hate Dean Logan as much as I do.
Posted by: Reagan Dunn Fan on September 20, 2005 02:19 PM What is it with you'you think if you
say something long enough it will become
fact.Steve Hammond Called for Dean Logan's
resignation.What more can he do?
If being close to 2 Million dollars in
debt is a recovery then Vance and the state gop
have long way to go.Yeah Vance took them to the
battlefield alright of course with attorneys
that had very little experience in contested
election cases.With the kind of money that was
spent he could have had the best.David Adams
a man who was heavily involved in the 2000 election
mess in florida.David now lives here in
washington.He called Chris Vance and offered
his assittance.Vance never called him back.
It seems Vance would rather use his friends
cronies than actually do the right thing even
in this.So ahead and give vance all the credit
in the world.
Somebody gave that kid real bad advice on that mailer and its too bad he took it, he's way too young and has way too much potential to go out in flames over a two bit county council seat.
Posted by: The very UnReagan Dunn on September 20, 2005 05:19 PMIN YOUR DREAMS!!! $300,000 to buy a seat from a good Republican!!
Ooops! Dean Logan... I forgot.
Early returns show Dunn running away with it. Let's see if Steve-o can catch up.
Posted by: huckleberry on September 20, 2005 09:41 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
And you call Dunn supporters Kool-Aid drinkers? I normally don't mock people. But when you come out and insult someone's supporters, then come out with some rediculous analisys that is obviously Kool-Aid of your own, it's just too rich.
Posted by: Cliff on September 21, 2005 08:24 AM If I were you I would wait until all the
absentee ballots are counted.There a lot
still to be tallied.Its time you grew up
any way.
Yah. Whatever.
It's time you stopped beeeellliiiiiivvvvveeeeiiinngggg when the jig is up. Your guy lost. Deal with it.
Posted by: Cliff on September 21, 2005 04:29 PM
