1. Vedddddddy interesting...especially the 2006 US Senate race numbers. Maybe Real Networks will give Maria her old job back???? Maria is so damned caustic she probably can't get one of those cushy lobbyist jobs that practically every retired/ousted Member of Congress gets inside the Beltway.

Posted by: SnoCo Voter on August 11, 2005 11:29 AM

2. On subject, but whatever happened to the drought? Last week Gregoire did a photo-op near Wenatchee regarding the fire at Lake Wenatchee. She said water levels were down to late August levels. Problem?

Remember, last spring she took office and immediately declared a water disaster was in the making. She had everyone up and scared about 'for sure' water shortages. Then, we had a wet spring and early summer. Did that change things? Whatever, she is not the Great Communicator. She should be ashamed of herself for not letting us know what is happening.

As far as I know, the water utilities have not demanded rationing like they would have during a real shortage.

The fish people aren't complaining real loud. What's happening?

Obviously (and this is my tie-in to the poll), nothing.

Posted by: swatter on August 11, 2005 11:35 AM

3. OMG. I was in Boise all last week. She said water levels were down to late August levels????

Geeeeez.

BTW, it was great in Idaho. Got 5 cartons of ciggies for some friends and bought all the gas I could stuff in the tank...and made darn sure to fill 'er up in Oregon before I crossed the River of No Return (aka Columbia) on my journey home.

Posted by: SnoCo Voter on August 11, 2005 11:53 AM

4. Fraudoire's declaration of drought was made back on March 10th. The declaration was nothing more than a photo op and a lame attempt to do something, anything to try and look gubernatorial. Of course, it rained cats and dogs from March 11th until Mid-July. At least in the Seattle area.

At the time, she was relying on her "just give me six months" plan hoping to gain gradual acceptance. But as this recent poll underscores, the people have not forgotten nor forgiven her.

Posted by: Mr. Grabbit on August 11, 2005 12:47 PM

5. The Gregoire numbers seem to be consistent with the SurveyUSA poll done a couple months ago. Other than raising taxes, backing off her campaign promises, and throwing money at the unions, she hasn't done much to endear herself to voters (living or dead). Hopefully that'll work to our advantage in this years KC Exec race and in 2006.

Speaking of the KC Exec race....anyone know the current Irons v. Sims numbers?

Posted by: Darth Dogbert on August 11, 2005 12:50 PM

6. wow!

Posted by: Michele on August 11, 2005 01:08 PM

7. Darth,

In regards to the sims-irons race
it is a virtual dead heat.Which
is good sign however I believe Irons
would be out in front if he actually took
a position on the hammond-dunn race.

He has infuriated alot of those on the
south side because he endorsed both hammond
and dunn.If irons doesnt change this behavior
I strongly believe this will hurt him in
the general election.

Should dunn go on to win in the primary
and I am not saying irons should endorse
steve hammond.But because he's not willing
to step up and make a decision in this race
The people on the south side will in all likelhood sit out
the general election.Should this happen
david irons will probably lose.

Posted by: phil spackman on August 11, 2005 01:17 PM

8. Darth,

The last poll taken has David and King Ron in a dead heat. David is gaining momentum and Sims is continuing to slide.

Posted by: Steven Pyeatt on August 11, 2005 01:33 PM

9. No Surprise on the poll #'s...

It's not good when the Governor-Pretend is even loathed by state workers...even if the #'s even out for her, the ghost of 2004 will be back come the 2008 primaries...

Any word on Gov. Rossi running for Re-Election?

Posted by: flexnfx on August 11, 2005 01:34 PM

10. Steven posted -

"The last poll taken has David and King Ron in a dead heat. David is gaining momentum and Sims is continuing to slide. "

Does anyone have the percent margin required for an Irons victory based on Sims and his election thugs participatory distributed voter fraud activities? I imagine David's poll numbers are going to have to be about 90% Irons to 10% Sims to pull it off.

Posted by: Jeffro on August 11, 2005 01:51 PM

11. Jeffro...it's going to need to be a large margin of victory for Irons, Sims is already "beefing up" the elections office with his loyal minions.

Posted by: dl on August 11, 2005 02:09 PM

12. Yep, Bush is doing 5% better on his disaproval numbers in this state than nation wide. Definitly shows that this is not a biased poll.

The question is, when will a non biased poll, especially a local poll like Elway, give us real numbers.

And, even if you are happy with these numbers, the right track numbers for the state are doing very well, especially given all of the supposed anger the GOP talks up. I think the honest people here would admit that Govenor Gregoire must be doing pretty well to being pulling in such strong right track numbers. Bush would give up body parts for them. Add in the 5-8% bias of a SV poll, and both Cantwell and Gregoire should see this as a positive.

Posted by: JDB on August 11, 2005 02:12 PM

13. What 5-8% bias JDB??
Where did you get that number from??
SV nailed the Rossi-Gregoire Race AND SV nailed the 7% Kerry margin over Bush.
It's the Seattle Times and other LEFTIST Pols that all were consistently biased in Gregoire's favor.
Are you Dyslexic...or just plain stupid?

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on August 11, 2005 02:28 PM

14. JDB AKA Broken Record

Bush, click, Bush, click, Bush, click, Bush, click, Bush, click, Bush, click, Bush........

You can't post anything without some lefty bringing up GW. Gets old.

Posted by: Jeffro on August 11, 2005 02:30 PM

15. JDB.
HOW RIGHT YOU WERE ON I-912 NOT

Posted by: AS on August 11, 2005 03:10 PM

16. Polls schmolls--only for trolls. Who gives a darn what some carefully-selected idiot thinks on the phone? Read ACTUAL voting records of candidates. Get involved.

Match elected officials' ACTIONS to the fluff they say. Keep a record if you have to. Like a car salesman, who cares about the puffery talk--you will know very soon when you actually drive it off the lot and it blows blue smoke!

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on August 11, 2005 03:21 PM

17. Re: SV's GOP-ness.

True, there are such things as "Republican" pollsters and "Democratic" pollsters. But firms of either type don't magically generate phone numbers for Republican leaning voters or Democratic leaning voters.

The "party affiliation" of a firm has to deal with what types of questions they ask.

Take the Rossi vs. Gregoire race. Firms of all types will ask blind questions in the beginning, such as gender, party affiliation, etc. Then the poll will ask which candidate they would vote for if the race were held today. The results from those questions for every polling firm should be quite precise. Later, the poll will read certain facts/opinions/etc. about each candidate, in a way testing campaign messages, and gauge if it swung voters in any way.

So SV may be a Republican polling firm in that at the end of their polls, they ask "loaded" questions tilted towards the GOP candidate looking for any reaction.

I don't have SV's exact poll on me, and I'm too lazy to look for it (polling numbers 2 years out don't mean much to me), but I would guess the 55% Rossi got was after the poll introduced positive information about Rossi and/or negative information about Gregoire. This in no way guarantees victory, but it shows if Rossi plays his cards right, he could get about 55% of the vote right now.

Posted by: ARS on August 11, 2005 03:24 PM

18. Can honestly say that a political poll has never swayed my opinion or decision, nor should it. Why should I give a rats rear end what Joe Schmoe thinks. Here in lies the difference between most of the posters on this blog and the Seattle/KingCo lefties.

Before anyone one jumps down my throat, note I said POLITICAL POLL. Things that don't really matter such as restaurants, movies, etc. go ahead and follow the crowd, who cares.

Posted by: Jeffro on August 11, 2005 03:37 PM

19. I would think that 55% was conservative. That would be the minimum I would expect Dino to win.

Posted by: South County on August 11, 2005 04:02 PM

20. biteme/jdb has an accuracy rate that would embarrass a broken clock

Posted by: alphabet soup on August 11, 2005 04:55 PM

21. Hey Jeffro--me too on the political polls;

i NEVER followed them--even from my first (young idealist) vote; i just distrusted someone 'feeding' me something too easily; to be honest, though, i did believe the newspapers when young for some time, thinking--as i'm sure my parents did--that it was mostly true, complete, having integrity and not TOO biased; an old h.s. teacher told me once: "...always ask WHO is telling you, WHY they would and WHAT is MISSING from their story!" i got wiser; now, i look for what is NOT stated nor covered in the news--why is it not 'newsworthy'? healthy skepticism I guess;

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on August 11, 2005 07:00 PM

22. Polls aren't supposed to tell you who to vote for. When independent polls are released by the media, they released because the media wants to inform the public. When parties/candidates leak their polls, it is to drum up enthusiasm. Positive polling numbers can encourage grass roots activism. Only the most principled of us want to give our time and energy to a candidate expected to lose by 65 points. But if the candidate shows he's doing better, more people will be willing to help (so the theory goes). Plus, donors are reluctant to give to races if it looks like a donation would be meaningless to the end game.

Posted by: ARS on August 11, 2005 07:22 PM

23. ARS-

Agree and understand the purpose of polls. My problem is, they have become the bellweather for too many of our leaders. Leading by consensis will be the deconstruction of our great republic. Nor is that leading.

Jimmie-

Damn, probably not the same instructor- I had a teacher by the name of Morriou. He was tough as nails, taught U.S. History, made us question everything - even his class text books - his reward, they put him in an administrative position so as not to warp the minds of his students. He wrote me a year later informing me that he quit and had become a gentleman farmer on one of the San Juans with his wife and kids. Didn't know his political leanings,but I always admired his thoughtfulness.

Posted by: Jeffro on August 11, 2005 08:33 PM

24. I agree, too many politicians play too much attention to them. I do respect that the President (at least he says so) doesn't pay much attention to polls. I wish he would do a lot differently (he's still a helluva lot better than 99% of the rest of em). I often debate with myself, if I was ever elected to an office, would I say "screw reelection, I'm gonna do whats right and finally get things done" or would I say "I am going to please the electorate and once I build a large wealth of political capital, then I will try to get things done."

Posted by: ARS on August 11, 2005 09:07 PM

25. ARS- we're same paging it!

Although I don't agree with GW 100%, he does appear, especially this term, to not give a hair about polls. I imagine that any political leadership roll can be intoxicating and there would be a tendency to want praise and adolation - but the best interest of the whole must always prevail. As exemplified by our brave millitary in the mideast. My fiance's cousin being one of them. May God keep him safe.

Posted by: Jeffro on August 11, 2005 09:16 PM

26. “When Republicans [in the state of Washington] were polled on whom they would support in 2008 for the Republican Presidential nomination, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani received 24%; Senator John McCain received 22%; Senator Bill Frist received 11%; Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney received 5%; Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich 4%; Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum received 4%; Virginia Senator George Allen received 2%; New York Governor George Pataki received 2%; Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel received 2%; and 24% were undecided.”

Strategic Vision Poll, August 10, 2005

http://soundpolitics.com/SV_WAAugust.pdf

Interesting how moderate Republicans are in this state. 55% of them support moderate candidates (Guiliani, McCain, Pataki, Romney, Hagel), 21% support conservative candidates (Frist, Gingrich, Santorum, Allen), and 24% are undecided.

Posted by: Richard Pope on August 11, 2005 10:44 PM

27. I don't get the 43% disapproval for Pres. Bush. Aside from gas prices, this is one great economy. The stock market is kickin', unemployment is at just 5%, and people have more take-home money, thanks to the tax cuts.

Too bad the media are trying to bury these facts by refusing to mention them.

Posted by: Michele on August 12, 2005 02:35 AM

28. Exactly Michele! Why don't these pollsters ever call me?

Posted by: cc on August 12, 2005 07:26 AM

29. People have called me and claimed to be from Gallop or some other poll. I always hang up.

Posted by: swatter on August 12, 2005 07:48 AM

30. Today, I hear she has gone out and declared a wildfire emergency. Well, not exactly. She says everything is under control but it is always better to be prepared. Huh?

Sounds like the 'emergency' for the gas tax increase. We do need the money and if we don't eventually don't get the money it will be an emergency. So, let's just call it an emergency now.

Wow!!!

Posted by: swatter on August 12, 2005 08:10 AM

31. Jeffro--i love those rare inspirational teachers--had one in college--bus. law professor; great mentor on how to analyze & dissect facts, opinions and assertions; man--it really comes in handy later in life--especially for politics!

Prayers for your fiancee's cousin in the military; actually MORE for your fiancee--(ha-ha just kidding); best to you both on the happy event; tip a beer with you any day;

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on August 12, 2005 11:55 AM

32. I think the President's numbers are unfavorable because people don't realize how good the economy is doing. We were used to the late 90's when you could spin around in a circle 15 times, and immediately throw a dart and buy the stock the dart hit. The stock would then double in a month for a tidy profit. Now that you have to be a little more discerning in your investments, people don't realize that this is actually typical of a sound, healthy economy. Plus, a story about 4% GDP growth is just so boring when you can say that John Roberts is in favor of blowing up abortion clinics or Karl Rove support leaking covert operatives to bin Laden.

Posted by: ARS on August 12, 2005 01:24 PM

33. Michelle -- Bush's APPROVAL in this state is 43%. The DISAPPROVAL is what is the 49%. Still much more favorable than Gregoire's approval numbers.

Posted by: Richard Pope on August 12, 2005 01:32 PM

34. ARS--true true--
America loves crises--we act only then--no preventive acts--good news? Buried.

Just like our soldiers' good actions anywhere. Just like the good cops or firemen or politicians who silently do their job well without any fanfare. Too bad, but car wrecks turn heads. Normal lives don't. How can we change that? Just human nature? We need to get more positive in this great country. There are a lot of pit-hole countries out there. I've seen some.

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on August 12, 2005 01:32 PM

35. Someone asked earlier if Rossi would run against CG? i'M Wondering the same thing as I've yet to hear anything about that from Rossi?

Posted by: Laurie on August 12, 2005 03:11 PM

36. ARS and Jimmie-

Ditto to both of ya. Guess we're all just preaching to the choir since JDB bugged out.

Totally off topic-

When ever somebody mentions beer, I start to shake. It would be a good time to round up a bunch of willing SP posters and put a few pints away. Imagine how loud and obnoxious the talk would get in short order. Especially if Jimmie shows up (just kidding).

We all should organize something.

Posted by: Jeffro on August 12, 2005 03:25 PM

37. Good thread; I agree. Somebody ought to throw those numbers in that miserable little David Goldstein's face. Then again, he and his blog aren't smart enough to sell booze to a street wino. Thanks.

Posted by: Mark1 on August 12, 2005 09:12 PM

38. Jeffro you might have something;

i'd prefer right in the den of the lion--next to a tent city or in Freakmont; geez--i can just see my first arrest for disorderly conduct; nah--my backyard would be better; by invite only; entrance password is the Pledge to the Flag--anyone not saying "under God" will be tossed--like the dogs identifying the robots in Terminator;

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on August 12, 2005 09:27 PM

39. swatter @ August 12, 2005 08:10 AM, there is a major wildfire over here on the southeast side of the state. (School Fire) Really didn't expect her highness to pay much attention. And she didn't until it spread from 150 acres to over 23,000 acres in a few hours last Saturday. We have a cabin in that area and don't think the fire spread that direction but abviously can't get up there to check. This fire is now at about 48,000 acres and only 40 percent contained. We sure could have used that emergency declaration a week ago...

Posted by: cc on August 13, 2005 06:15 PM

40. hoping for the best for you, cc--hang in there;

guess she wanted to be 99.98% accurate before the emergency; but if Tent City burned, we would have the whole Nat Guard at their disposal and half the SEA fire dept running like mad; yep--polling places closed, so get your own bucket; sad but true; hope you fare well; those fires are no joke; i have a healthy respect for them & you out there who have to risk all; now--THAT's an item (firefighting) i DONT mind helping with! makes more sense than giving benefits to illegal aliens in our state; you likely are behind the illegals in line for assistance;

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on August 14, 2005 11:10 AM

41. Thanks so much for your kind words Jimmie. As of today the cabin is still there. Fire only 40 percent contained still. You are correct about the contrast to a forest fire in southeast Washington and a tent city. I just feel really sorry for those people that lost entire ranches; houses, crops, outbuildings and livestock. Totally wiped out. That is a shame. I do know these firefighters on scene are doing one hell of job. I have the utmost respect for them.

Posted by: cc on August 14, 2005 03:10 PM

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