Thanks to everyone who hit the tip jar today to help me Sue Ron Sims for repeated violations of the Public Disclosure Act. More details on King County Election's NON-DISCLOSURE of documents that I've been requesting for months --
1) Dean Logan failed to respond within the five business day statutory deadline to my July 18 letter asking for a timeline for the release of the copies of the absentee ballot envelopes. As I noted last week, I asked to inspect the original absentee ballot envelopes. It was his idea to instead make me copies of all 600,000 envelopes at a cost to the taxpayer of $90,000. It's interesting that he's claiming an exemption under the PDA to "protect" the originals, yet he also disregards the PDA's fundamental requirement to give me a timely response. Of course the burden of time and expense is on members of the public to sue, while Dean Logan has government lawyers on the public payroll to defend his cover-up in court. So that's why I need your help so together we can Sue Ron Sims and force him to obey the law to release the public's information to the inquiring public.
2) As noted below, I received a partial response of copies of some of the provisional ballot envelopes for the 91 voters whose absentee ballots are listed as having been returned but who were credited as voting provisional. I've posted copies of 8 of those provisional ballot envelopes. In each case, the poll inspector recorded that the voter was an absentee voter who claimed that his/her absentee ballot had not been cast - "lost", "not received", "left at home", etc. In each case, the absentee ballot records show that the ballot had been returned some time in October. It's not yet clear what's going on here. Did the voter really return an absentee after all? Did someone else return the absentee on the voter's behalf? Did someone other than the voter show up to vote a provisional? Did the Elections software erroneously record that those absentees had been returned when they hadn't? Why did the canvasser note on the provisional ballot that an absentee ballot had been returned and still credit the voter as a provisional? Were both the absentee and the provisional tabulated? None of this adds up. It's important for the integrity of future elections to understand what happened and how to fix it. Inspecting the absentee ballots would be helpful, if and when they're released.
One more odd coincidence about these absentee/provisionals -- 32 of the 91 ballots (35%) are in the 46th legislative district (ultra-Democrat northeast Seattle), which returned only 8% of the county's valid absentee ballots. Another 31 (34%) are from the 43rd and 37th districts (ultra-Democrat central and south Seattle). All in all, 69% of these suspicious possibly repeat-vote provisionals are from the 22% of the absentee voters who live in those 3 Seattle legislative districts. Oddly enough!
Please hit the tip jar to help me Sue Ron Sims to obtain the information that might explain what the hell is going on in his elections department.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at July 26, 2005 03:03 PM | Email ThisI have $50.00 in the mail to you!
Posted by: timman on July 26, 2005 04:15 PMAnd, perhaps more interesting, what are the odds that Sims and Logan would be trying to hide something if they had nothing to hide?
I admire the fact that you keep pushing forward on this. There is a stinking fish in there and I believe that you are going to find it.
Posted by: BananaLand(aka Iguana) on July 26, 2005 05:03 PMTwo items:
#1. I just posted a long comment at the preceding post (it's approximately the 12th comment), responding to some of the other comments there asking about the enforcement mechanism for the PDA, whether the penalties had increased to a $50 to $500 a day range (a proposal which died), etc. (And mentioning my court date this Thursday morning on my PDA lawsuit.)
#2. Meantime, my wife nearly had the opportunity to be a double voter in the absentee plus provisional category this post discusses. Being honest, she didn't do what she was actually urged to do. Here's the deal:
My wife and I have voted absentee for years. Our older daughter (now 19, and the one who inspired my PDA lawsuit against Ron Sims back when she was 9, in 1995) just came of voting age in time for this last election, and wanted to have the experience the first time she voted to do so in person. My wife decided she would join our daughter, and sent in a change of status, well in advance, to change herself to a poll voter. Well, she got an absentee ballot in the mail anyway - though, and strangely, weeks after I got mine, when they normally arrived together. Well what to do, besides be annoyed that they messed up? She filled out the absentee ballot in advance, then went to the polls with our daughter and was going to turn in her absentee ballot there, in person. But while she was there, she wanted to see how they had her registered. It was as an in-person voter, which is what it should have been, and what she had arranged. But now there was a problem in her mind. She had received the absentee ballot. She asked what should she do? - tear up the absentee ballot and vote in person, or would they take and count her absentee ballot, which she'd already taken the time to complete, and disregard that she wasn't going to vote in person? A King County election supervisor - not one of the paid temporary poll workers, but a badge carrying KC supervisor - was summoned and entered the picture. She assured my wife that her absentee ballot would count - which was my wife's main concern - but also repeatedly urged my wife to also vote in person as a provisional ballot. My wife repeatedly objected and balked at the logic and wisdom of doing so. If you are assuring me my absentee ballot will count, that's all I need to know, she said, and pointed out that intentionally voting twice would be a wrongful act punishable in some way. The supervisor repeatedly assured her that the two ballots would be "sorted out" later, and only one would be counted. Again my wife repeated that if the supervisor was assuring her that the absentee ballot would be counted, why vote a second, provisional ballot, only to make work - the work of "sorting out" her two ballots and only counting one? It made no sense, and she refused the suggestion, came home, and told me the story, which I related to the Rossi campaign and to the KC Elections PR person, Bobbie Egan (who was going to get back to me with an explanation months ago, never did, saw me at an event later and reminded me she hadn't forgotten I had an explanation coming, and which still hasn't happened).
Thought this might be of interest.
Posted by: Armen Yousoufian on July 26, 2005 05:27 PM"Mr. Sims,
Just wanted to tell you personally that you are a traitor who gave aid and comfort to an enemy of the United States, one James Ujaama.
Just wanted you to know that I, and thousands like me, are not blind to your corruption.
Just wanted you to know that I am a living registered voter and will not tolerate your kind of corruption any longer.
Just wanted you to know that you had better get ready for some good home training come November.
You don't frighten me. But if you don't fear for your political future yet, now would be a good time to start.
(signed)
Posted by: ERNurse on July 26, 2005 10:06 PMIn a word....NO!
(But thanks for playing ;'}
Amazed by left wing stupidity
Posted by: alphabet soup on July 26, 2005 11:09 PMCockroaches usually run away when the light finally gets turned on.
In doing so, you left Alphabet Stew hanging. Poor kid.
Posted by: AmazedByRightWingHate on July 26, 2005 11:27 PMI'm sure laws against threatening elected officials with violence don't apply in Texass.
Posted by: AmazedByRightWingHate on July 26, 2005 11:32 PMI'll say it for everyone else here. You're a liberal pussy with second-grade debate tactics.
Mark my words, foofoo. A time is coming when people will indeed refuse to tolerate your traffic-clogging, feces-throwing, Jew-bashing, terrorist-worshipping, destructive little "peacful" demonstrations and apply a little Lousville Slugger counseling to the side of your empty head.
I'll be there for you when your head needs stitchin', Tinkerbell.
Posted by: ERNurse on July 26, 2005 11:42 PMUnlike liberal pukedogs, I am able to see my own mistakes and correct them instead of blaming Bush.
Posted by: ERNurse on July 26, 2005 11:44 PMRon Sims and Logan would be absolutely foolish to think Stefan won't go after them legally on this!
How soon they forget how Stefan's efforts and information in the election contest had them running from fire to fire from November to June - just covering their butts! (Pssst...here's an idea Mr. Sims...Review your daily planner from November 2004 through May 2005....remember the pain?)
I would think it would be in their best interest to get the requested documents to Mr. Sharkansky ASAP......because every day the SP paypall account will be going *KaChing* with donations to help fight the legal battle......
Posted by: Deborah on July 26, 2005 11:48 PMMore illegal threats - this time with a baseball bat. And notice, he still refuses to criticize the lynching comment.
I see the ER Nurse email ID reveals that you are actually Wil Henderson, who sings for a REALLY BAD Seattle Christian rock band called Ajalon.
So, Wil, please tell me what part of the bible you read and sing from that commands you to threaten people with a baseball bat?
If Wil represents modern Christianity, the Devil Worshippers might as well pack it in. They just can't compete with this form of hate.
And since when did I defend the bashing of Jews (let alone throwing poop and hugging Bin Laden, Bush family style)? Last time I saw serious anti-Simitism, it was eminating from Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanan. Oh yeah, and from Mel Gibson's dad.
Posted by: AmazedByRightWingHate on July 27, 2005 12:00 AMUnlike conservative pukedogs, I am able to see my own mistakes and correct them instead of blaming Ron Sims.
Wow... so this is how people on the far left will now try to attack and intimidate people. Amazed, do you think that people will cow down when you mention their real names and possible professions? Does it make you feel powerful? Does it cause 'funny stirrings' in your naughty area?
I am finding it very alarming as of late the new tactics people on the extreme left and the Neocrats are taking: outing. They decry and wail and nash their teeth when it is even IMPLIED a conservative may have outed somebody, yet all fall over themselves in their attempts to out those who do not follow their ideology. A perfect example? The possible outing of a supposed gay politician they may carry out in retaliation for them voting against the Anti-discrimination bill. To think I wished I could go back to the party. I am almost ashamed to admit my former liberal Democrat ways. While I am not by any means a Republican or a conservative, I DO know I have to let that part of my past stay the past.
Amazed, I generally try to remain a neutral, polite, presence on both here and Goldy's site (even though I am usually shouted down there), but for you and your actions, my disgust is overflowing. You are the kind of refuse that caused me depression over my political beliefs. You are the smug, snarky, catchphrase-spewing egoist that personifies all that is wrong with the party now. I am guessing from your comments that you are an atheist. Well, I am one too and to me, you are no better than a Christian or Islamic extremeist, spewing bile and hate for your (lack of) belief system. Maybe instead of attacking others to distract them from realizing that you bring NOTHING to the debate, you should try to to rationally explain your side in a non-condescending manner. Until you can do that, you are exhibit "A" as to why the word "Liberal" is now considered a dirty word.
Domo.
PS-My personal belief of Atheism is that it is also a belief system, a belief system of not believing in a god. I am of the 'live and let live' branch of Atheism, meaning that I know that many do believe in a creator of some kind, and if that gives them comfort and stability, then I am all for it. It is just not for me. You will never see me complaining about religious displays, Christmas decorations, the pledge of Allegiance, "In God We Trust", or anything to that effect. I am not one of those nut jobs who always scream "SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!" at the sight of the bible being used to swear in people in courthouses. Like a bible might make me suddenly go Catholic. Some things are not religious for the sake of religion, but more for the sake of tradition, like the aforementioned bible or the Senate Chaplain. Each person's belief is their own, and it is not my place to try and change it.
PSS- Hey Amazed, you can try to scare me by threatening to post my info in the room.....oh wait, I can do that myself. My name is Michael S. Robinson. I am 32, male, and former Army Helicopter Mechanic. I work at a Seattle truck Stop, and I like to engage my customers in honest debate, no matter what side they are on. I am open to other viewpoints, are you?
PSSS-Sorry everybody for ranting, but I get so tired of seeing this kind of thing, no matter WHAT side it comes from.
Posted by: Left Behind by the New Democratic Party on July 27, 2005 02:31 AM
OK for the record:
If the mention of 'Git a Rope' are to imply lynching, then I find that to be in extremely bad taste, and should be taken care of accordingly. If, however, it was meant to infer that it was time to take care of a liar and a thief the way they used to in the old west, then that I find that to not be offensive. (In fact, I remember an old Pace Picante Sauce commercial that featured someone saying that exact phrase when it was found out that the sauce they were given was from New York City.)
As to the baseball bat up the dome remark, I myself have said that phrase whistfully when vengeance dreaming. But I never really acted on it, so did I break any laws?
Domo.
Posted by: Left Behind by the New Democratic Party on July 27, 2005 02:51 AMYou're right. Calling you names was wrong. I apologize. But from that point on, you depart from reality. I never threatened you. Here is what I said: "A time is coming when people will indeed refuse to tolerate your traffic-clogging, feces-throwing, Jew-bashing, terrorist-worshipping, destructive little "peaceful" demonstrations and apply a little Louisville Slugger counseling to the side of your empty head."
Again, I apologize for the name calling and for insinuating that there is nothing in your head.
Also note that I have not read any physical threat to Ron Sims' person posted. And for the record, my personal stand is that the best beating Ron Sims will experience will be through the ballot box.
Let me make one thing emphatically clear. I do NOT advocate violence for its own sake. But I see it coming, if things stay the way they are, and I do not look forward to that. Considering the nature of your posts and your clever little exposee', I surmise that you have no qualms with that. But I do. And that's what divides us.
And tracking you, I see that you posted with a bogus URL. Very clever. Based on your own activities, I can make the accurate judgment that you are indeed a moral coward, because you obviously don't have the spine to show yourself. How sad.
And since you brought up the Bible, allow me to introduce you to a couple of verses out of Ecclesiastes 3.
Verse 3 states,
"[There is] a time to kill, and a time to heal,
and verse 8:
"[There is] a time for war and a time for peace."
Make no mistake: I believe what I believe, and you are not going to intimidate me into silence. And yeah, I am a medical professional. And a musician in a Christian Progressive rock band called Ajalon. So what? And I deal with people like you every day. Again to quote Ecclesiastes, "There is nothing new under the sun."
You really just don't get it. I treat regardless of background, and I am very careful about ensuring that I provide the best possible care, no matter what. And if by chance you should ever come under my care, you can be assured that I will give my best on your behalf. Differences stay outside. I hope you never have to visit me. But if God forbid you do, I would not do less for you than for anyone else.
As much as you would like to think otherwise, I am not afraid to say that I have many, many flaws. But I don't have to defend myself against you. I will answer to Someone far, far greater than you could or will ever be, and I am ready.
In future, you have my word that I will make my views perfectly clear and free from insult. While I disagree vehemently with you, you are still a human being. I honestly don't expect you to care, or that this will change your tactics; but again, that is what separates you and me.I do care, and I am willing to learn.
How many times has the MSM reported Sims or Logan stating that they want their processes to be "open and transparent"? How many times has the MSM reported when Sims and Logan have not been "open and transparent"?
Stefan and Armen have pushed to make Sims (and Logan) live up to those statements. What Stefan and Armen are showing us all is that we must always stay alert because the government will work against us more than for us unless we keep pushing them back into the light.
During 2000, I heard about Florida's Sunshine law. It sounded amazing to me that so much of their government was open to review. I don't recall how detailed that was, but perhaps it's time for a constitutional amendment to give Washington a Sunshine law of our own.
We the People "hire" the government. They do work for us. When we want to see details on how they do that work, we are told to go away. How would anyone feel if they entrusted all of their money with an accountant, but the accountant wouldn't ever let them see the books?
Keep it up Stefan and Armen.
Posted by: SouthernRoots on July 27, 2005 07:25 AMThis FOIA request stuff is all hogwash. Government can cover everything up by deliberately giving out wrong stuff and piecemealing the stuff.
Open meetings have also been excessively abused. How many times have you gone to a local city council meeting and it is interrupted for executive sessions.
Posted by: swatter on July 27, 2005 07:30 AMWell, LeftBehind, unfortunately, those two scenarios you tried to separate are one in the same. Better luck next time.
Now, who wants to try and defend the racist 'tar and feather Ron Sims' comment? I'm sure one bright right winger on this board could nuance it. Any takers? Stephan? (Maybe LeftBehind thinks this slur actually relates to the use of goose down and roof tar in the old west?)
-And since you brought up the Bible, allow me to introduce you to a couple of verses out of Ecclesiastes 3.
Verse 3 states,
"[There is] a time to kill, and a time to heal,
and verse 8:
"[There is] a time for war and a time for peace."-
ERNurse, I respect your dedication to your faith, but I seriously can't tell if you are trying to use the Bible to justify violence. I don't get the context. If that's what you're trying to do, it's amazing how much that sounds like the justifications Islamic terrorists use to excuse their actions.
Thanks for backing off your threatening stance and ad hominem insults. You may notice I didn't personally attack anybody in my first posts which set you off. I was criticizing racist comments, and the fact everybody seemed fine with them. (and my post was quickly censored)
I'm glad to know you are working on being a better human being.
Part of being a better human being is confronting right wing and left wing racism.
What do you disagree with me on, ERNurse? The only issue I have debated here is whether it's appropriate or not to use racist slurs when talking about an African-American elected official. I also took issue with several threats of physical attack.
- I honestly don't expect you to care, or that this will change your tactics; but again, that is what separates you and me.I do care, and I am willing to learn.-
'That is what separates you and me?' Are you kidding? ERNurse, you don't even know who I am, or what issues we agree or disagree on. What is it with religious zealots who can't avoid being patronizing and judgmental even in the middle of offering up a little fig leaf???
And no, LeftBehind, I am not an athiest.
Posted by: AmazedByRightWingHate on July 27, 2005 09:40 AMLeft Behind's astute comment remains valid, and even more relevant in light of your subsequent posts, "Amazed By Left Wing Stupidity".
It true trollish, leftist (but I repeat myself) fashion you lurk, waiting for something to be offended by, or an opportunity to play the victim.
You feign outrage at something that is your own fabrication, and use it as an excuse to spew your own leftist hatred and intolerance.
It didn't work, it doesn't work, and you just look the fool for trying it.
Now tell us another one, K?
Posted by: alphabet soup on July 27, 2005 10:13 AMLike the warnings necessary on paint sprays, ammunition and other common sense household things, we HAVE to be told to not sniff it, shoot ourselves or put a bag over our heads. Why? Idiot liberal thinking and lawsuits that pepper our once common sense-based society.
AmazedByRight--
For all your liberal 'cousins' who got us all into this disclaimer-laden world--consider this posting your "cigarette pack warning." It will reinforce the obvious to a minority handful of morons who want a guaranteed safe life with no consequences from their actions nor words. "Warning: figurative political phrases herein--proceed with common sense--no threats intended!"
Come on--use that (left side or right side) of your brain. Nobody here means (or ever meant) any literal harm--it's a political commentary site. It's car sales puffery. Can't you distinguish the difference? When moveon.org says something outrageous, it's free speech. When conservatives say something as strong, it's hate speech. No one is fooled. Lighten up--we'll listen. Have a civil exchange--we welcome it--and cut the chicken-shyt personal info. Remember the lesson of a boomerang? You are equally exposed too, my friend.
Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on July 27, 2005 10:31 AMAngry at conservatives and feeling bad?
Be a typical liberal, go steal something and give it to yourself as an award for being good.
Who cares?
Posted by: Amused by liberal morons on July 27, 2005 10:33 AMI like the fact that this isn't pc, so I repeat....GIT A ROPE!
amazedbyrightwinghate, I can loan you one if it'll help.
Pills are easier though cupcake. Best thing for you really. Go for it!
Stitch in a brain while you’re at it will ya?
Thanks
Let's start with this:
-Now, who wants to try and defend the racist 'tar and feather Ron Sims' comment? I'm sure one bright right winger on this board could nuance it. Any takers? Stephan? (Maybe LeftBehind thinks this slur actually relates to the use of goose down and roof tar in the old west?)
Well, this practice is actually older than the old west, as is shown here in Benjamin H. Irvin's historical essay "Tar and Feathers in Revolutionary America":
Tar and feathers was a very old form of punishment, but it does not appear to have ever been widely applied in England or in Europe.(2) Why Gilchrist and his allies chose to resurrect tar and feathers on this particular occasion historians can only surmise. Whatever their reasons, these Virginians inaugurated a new trend in colonial resistance, a trend that their New England neighbors would eagerly follow. Throughout New England, tar and feathers soon became the "popular Punishment for modern delinquents." By March, 1770, at least thirteen individuals had been feathered in the American colonies: eight in Massachusetts, two in New York, one in Virginia, one in Pennsylvania, and one in Connecticut. In all of these instances, the tar brush was reserved exclusively for customs inspectors and informers, those persons responsible for enforcing the Townshend duties on certain imported goods. Indeed, American patriots used tar and feathers to wage a war of intimidation against British tax collectors.
(http://revolution.h-net.msu.edu/essays/irvin.feathers.html)
Or how about this bit of info from Historywiz:
Tarring and Feathering was a punishment that went back to the Middle Ages with Richard the Lionhearted and the Crusades. The first record is in 1189. Richard ordered that any robber voyaging with the crusaders “shall be first shaved, then boiling pitch shall be poured upon his head, and a cushion of feathers shook over it.” It was not used extensively until the American colonists revived the punishment in the 1760s. Patriots used it against British officials and loyalists in the American colonies.
(http://www.historywiz.com/didyouknow/tarringandfeathering.htm)
So where is it said that tarring and feathering is rascist? it seems from the facts that it was pretty much equal-oppurtunity punishment. I provide facts to this debate, you provide hysteria. All I ask is that you actually THINK before you post.
-If the mention of 'Git a Rope' are to imply lynching, then I find that to be in extremely bad taste, and should be taken care of accordingly. If, however, it was meant to infer that it was time to take care of a liar and a thief the way they used to in the old west, then that I find that to not be offensive.-
Well, LeftBehind, unfortunately, those two scenarios you tried to separate are one in the same. Better luck next time.
The one thing you are convieniently forgetting is that lynching HAS racial overtones, where as simply hanging someone does not. Splitting hairs? Possibly, but there is still a distinction in my book.
Domo.
My citation of scripture was to prove a point: that going to war is not at all unbiblical, nor is it morally wrong if the cause is just. Brutal, ugly and hideous, yes. But not morally wrong. Liberating the oppressed, upholding justice, defending the downtrodden, and tearing down oppressive and dishonest organizations all qualify as justifiable cause. Both the Bible and International law support this position. But the people whom you represent support this only if it serves your interests, or if "your man" is declaring the war.
The people you represent- and you aren't fooling anyone into thinking otherwise- are the very ones who historically oppress the poor, strip individuals of their freedoms, perpetuate poverty, support and defend corruption, promote racist doctrine in favoring one race over another for special consideration, and practice religious oppression through the granting of extraordinary privileges to people who represent a certain socioeconomic, religious, political, sexual and gender orientation while passing laws that squelch individual rights and freedoms. You may say that my political affiliation supports the same thing, but you are wrong. History betrays you, no matter how you may attempt to justify your argument.
There is a time to fight and a time to back off. This is the time to fight, by all means legally at our disposal. And legally, until activist judges attempt to abolish the Constitution, I do have the right to defend myself. I also took an oath to defend this nation against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. That means anyone who works to undermine our constitution, our freedoms, our rights, and our social underpinnings.
This does not exclusively mean the Democrat Party. It applies to certain Republicans too. But it includes MoveOn.org, People for the American Way, and other seditious bodies who openly support the enemies of this nation and our constitution. That means Gregoire. That means Reed. That means Sims. And if you have aligned yourself with them, that means you. That isn't a threat; that's just the way things stand.
And we won't have to descend to the detestable and possibly illegal intimidation tactics you have thus far displayed in order to succeed. Cowards are always found out. You are no different, and your day is coming.
See, that is what separates you and the other enemies of this nation and state from law-abiding citizens. You clearly do not care about anything other than hanging on to all you can get at the expense of others. Say what you will, but your actions betray you.
What has happened thus far is that pro-Sims, pro-KC Council Democrat liberals (and you are included in this group) have resorted to smear tactics, threats, intimidation, obstruction, distraction, and slander in order to maintain the status quo. Your "outing" stunt was a perfect example, although I am not sure what you were trying to prove by doing it other than to demonstrate most eloquently that you indeed support such unethical and illegal practices.
My olive branch was exactly that. Your politicization of it is your problem. And I reiterate that there is a fundamental difference between you and me. I have no qualms with saying that I vehemently disagree with you because while you have not specifically stated any views per se on these issues, your actions thus far betray you, and I can safely conclude that you really do stand at the opposite pole. You have shown nothing so far but the very same patronizing, condescending, smug, self-serving arrogance that is characteristic of the obstructionist mob that now rules tehe Democratic Party, Washington State, King County, and the Seattle City Council.
I am sure that you will have an answer for this. But the bottom line is this: whether you believe it yourself or not, the current state of business is on its way out. What side you want to be on when it comes is up to you. That is your problem, not mine.
Reply again. But if you do, please at least try to make sure you keep within the context. You've had a problem with that, and it needs work. I am prepared to support my position in intelligent discourse. Are capable of that? So far, you haven't given us reason to think so.
Posted by: ERNurse on July 27, 2005 02:41 PMThe more I objectively study liberals, the more I agree about THEIR party being the one of continuously REMOVING individual rights while espousing "empowerment;" all flash & games, and a lot of catchy phrases for the common folk to seize upon in their 10 mins of TV news;
fact is, most liberal elite will not let you swim in THEIR pools, visit their estates, beaches or whatever; funny how they have big 'capitalist' primo land holdings and yet tell you they feel & fight for the Little People; actions speak loud; I don't buy their tripe; It's tripe, but labeled 'filet mignon' as if you will not take the time to notice;
LeftBehind needs a cannon shot at water level; (braaaaack!--that was my parrot; hoist the Jolly Roger)
Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on July 27, 2005 08:35 PMUh, hey Jimmie,are you meaning Amused instead of me? I am on ERNurse's side, and came out raging against Amused. Not too big a deal in the grand scheme of things. (BTW, I also agree with you about the hippocarcy of the Left. It is one of the reasons I had to stop calling myself first Liberal then later Democrat.)
Domo.
Posted by: Left Behind by the New Democratic Party on July 28, 2005 01:04 AMGo back and look who made the personal attack first, ERNurse. I posted a political statement, and you personalized it and threatened violence, which seemed very unChristian to me. Had I "outed" you out of the blue, then you would deserve an apology, and I would grant it to you. And no, despite this ongoing victim's complex so many of your right wingers seem to dwell on, it was not "illegal" to post your name and Christian Rock band. You provided the personal information - I did not steal it from you, nor did I trick you into giving it to me. Thus, it was not illegal. Threatening violence in any way, shape of form may meet the legal test for an illegal act, however. So would threatened lynching, which I'm still amazed none of the "values voters" here have attempted to seriously refute. Oh right. It was just a funny joke.
And no, ERN, I was not trying to intimidate you. I was just responding to your childish personal attack and threatened violence. In the future, try to avoid the baseball bat approach. Makes you sound like an angry street punk or soccer hooligan. And no, I am not affiliated in any way with this band of Democrats you hate who "openly support the enemies of this nation and our constitution."
Hey, can you exaggerate any more, please?
In fact, if you hate this city, county and state so much, why not give your extreme anger and conspiracy theories a break, and move somewhere else? Same goes for all the leftist whiners who claimed they were headed for Canada after the last two elections. You folks possess free will: exercise it, and stop bothering the rest of us with your endless frustrations, which probably have more to do with your own lives than the person who happens to be occupying a political office at any given time.
BTW, all that nutty "activist judge" stuff is pure mythology. Right wingers support activist judges as much as left wingers support activist judges - it just depends on the issue at hand. Why, the Wenatchee judge who threw out the GOP lawsuit claimed ruling otherwise judicial activism, and this crowd was gung ho for that case. Then there is the insane cry for judicial activism in the Schiavo case that 75% of Americans called foul on. The list goes on and on. (side note: I am very impressed with Judge Roberts, and hope this variety of brilliant jurists can help overcome these bogus "judicial activism!" claims.)
The fact you hate Sam Reed - somebody who did his best to be fair in a difficult situation - speaks volumes as to your radical, jihadist ideology. Luckily, the rest of this state values the kind of fairness Reed represents. In fact, this state has a history of sane Republicans representing us. Where have they all gone?
-What has happened thus far is that pro-Sims, pro-KC Council Democrat liberals (and you are included in this group) have resorted to smear tactics, threats, intimidation, obstruction, distraction, and slander in order to maintain the status quo.-
This is getting a little wacky. Do you have any examples of these smear tactics or threats? Or is this just more hot air you're blowing, ERNurse? I would appreciate it if you could provide some basis for these pretty harsh claims. I am genuinely interested in this vast conspiracy. You are an excellent writer, so I am sure you will be able to describe this pattern of threats, intimidation and slander.
And no, the invasion of Iraq was not a just war, because Saddam never threatened our security. If he did threaten US security before Operation Iraqi Freedom, you would be correct. Only a few lonely voices still believe he did. (and no, contrary to popular opinion on this board, Israel is not the 51st state) Look at how Pope John Paul took strong exception to Bush's invasion based on lies - and that was before the lies were known!
And since when did the party of national security start this whole bleeding heart "liberating the oppressed" spiel? By making excuses that lead to absurd foreign policy bungling - at immense expense to the taxpayer - we are leaving our own homeland more open to attack.
-My olive branch was exactly that. Your politicization of it is your problem. And I reiterate that there is a fundamental difference between you and me.-
Hint: if you are going to attempt an adult apology in the future, don't insult the person you are apologizing to - whether it's your wife, your friend, or a sparring partner. I do appreciate your attempt, though, and will respond in kind as soon as you cut out these patronizing disclaimers.
It would also help if you stopped lumping me in with all these "seditious" organizations and politicians, since you have absolutely no evidence to back up your claims. You make your own decisions and arguments based on your own values and beliefs, and so do I. It's simple laziness to think I look to these Democrats you hate for my marching orders. Isn't there also something in Bible about not badmouthing people when you have no idea who they are, or what they stand for? (I repeat: I do not support the throwing of poop, the hugging of terrorists, nor the bashing of Jews)
Oh yeah - great battlefield analogy backing up ERNurse, Jimmie. I'm enjoying the cheesy cliche. Could we get a sports analogy, too? Maybe it could involve another baseball bat? I also get a kick out of your hilarious right wing populist spiel. Right, the party of Big Business, Big Government, Offshore Billionaires and Massive Budget Deficits is looking out for the little guy! And the Democrats have all the pools and yachts! What a hoot!!
Posted by: AmazedByRightWingHate on July 28, 2005 12:03 PMStill out of context. Next?
Posted by: ERNurse on July 28, 2005 12:45 PMDid you also notice he did not comment on my rebuttal to him about how he called 'tar and feathering' rascist? Instead of apologizing for acting like an uniformed ass, he diverts by trying to pin blame on something unrelated onto ERNurse.
-I also get a kick out of your hilarious right wing populist spiel. Right, the party of Big Business, Big Government, Offshore Billionaires and Massive Budget Deficits is looking out for the little guy! And the Democrats have all the pools and yachts! What a hoot!!
Amused does not seem to realize that that statement is actually true for BOTH sides anymore. There is truly no more party for the 'little man', as both parties were bought long ago. A perfect example? Look at the last Presidential election. I don't know about you, but I felt SUCH a connection with Kerry and Bush. They REALLY knew what it was like to have to plan a food budget for two weeks with 40 dollars. I REALLY felt their empathy as I planned out my driving schedule so I could make my fuel consumption be minimal. If you are so truly naive to believe politicians actually put you, a nobody, in front of lobbyists and special interests who bribe them with thousands in 'campaign contributions', the it is time to get you fitted with a sleeveless jacket. Any faith I had in our government was shattered with the election fiasco. Maybe I will eventually start to trust them again, but not with the current crop of local, state or federal polititcians.
Domo.
Did you also notice he did not comment on my rebuttal to him about how he called 'tar and feathering' rascist? Instead of apologizing for acting like an uniformed ass, he diverts by trying to pin blame on something unrelated onto ERNurse.
-I also get a kick out of your hilarious right wing populist spiel. Right, the party of Big Business, Big Government, Offshore Billionaires and Massive Budget Deficits is looking out for the little guy! And the Democrats have all the pools and yachts! What a hoot!!
Amused does not seem to realize that that statement is actually true for BOTH sides anymore. There is truly no more party for the 'little man', as both parties were bought long ago. A perfect example? Look at the last Presidential election. I don't know about you, but I felt SUCH a connection with Kerry and Bush. They REALLY knew what it was like to have to plan a food budget for two weeks with 40 dollars. I REALLY felt their empathy as I planned out my driving schedule so I could make my fuel consumption be minimal. If you are so truly naive to believe politicians actually put you, a nobody, in front of lobbyists and special interests who bribe them with thousands in 'campaign contributions', the it is time to get you fitted with a sleeveless jacket. Any faith I had in our government was shattered with the election fiasco. Maybe I will eventually start to trust them again, but not with the current crop of local, state or federal polititcians.
Domo.
All I can say is oopsy.
Domo.
yes--i hate the current wreckless spending and deficits and soft immigration policies, but find the liberal values more offensive--like moveon, diversity, negotiating with terror, Kelo-like land grabs, loving illegal aliens, and a host of other social giveaways that keep many in a take mode and not an initiative mode;
Big business? how about dem.'s spouses and families as lobbyists in DC and having companies getting breaks or favors in DC? that ok? only evil when it's the other party? how about quotas in hiring and schools? does that pick the best person or the most cozy feeling? call it want you will--right, spiel, whatever--it's just a reaction to living and experiencing political waves from both parties and judging what REALLY ACTUALLY works; like 40 years of the Great Society handout scamola--good idea on paper--not the best results;
oh--sorry--using my word in "judging" what works is like using garlic on a leftist vampire--makes you recoil, right? liberal rally cry--"don't judge!" (lest we find the truth in something or make someone take responsibility)
Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on July 29, 2005 10:02 AM