July 20, 2005
Where does Ron Sims think he is, Zimbabwe?

Ron Sims is misusing the police to suppress dissenters and intimidate his subordinates.

Former Superintendent of Elections Julie Anne Kempf was arrested yesterday

No formal charges have been filed, and details are sketchy.
I can't comment on specific sketchy details about unfiled charges, but everything that I've heard about this from a variety of sources suggests that Dean Logan and Ron Sims have trumped up these charges in order to intimidate whistleblowers at the elections office, to get back at Kempf for speaking out about problems in the elections office (Listen, for example, to this clip from her recent interview on Kirby Wilbur [17MB mp3]), and to deflect attention from Sims' and Logan's appalling failures at the elections office.

UPDATE: Several of the comments below, including from "Conservatives for Criminals", "bkdhd", "flogmyblog", "dfkhdfh", "dfd", "dfsd" and "fdfd" are all from a King County government IP address, which supports my observation that Ron Sims and the people in his administration are illegally using public resources to harrass private citizens.

UPDATE 2: There a tangent to this case involving Ron Sims "independent" task force on elections that sheds light on the bigger picture. I learned that a number of establishment figures, both Republicans and Democrats, have encouraged the task force to interview Kempf for background information on the workings of the elections office. The elections office specifically asked the task force not to talk with Kempf and their stated reasons (this was well before the investigation was reported) suggested that they are simply threatened by the information she would provide. The task force never did speak with Kempf. I also learned from a source close to the task force that some in the group are inclined to recommend a change of leadership for the elections office at its final meeting next week. It appears that Kempf's "arrest" (it was actually just a fingerprinting) may have been timed to deflect from the bad news that the truly independent members of the task force are about to deliver.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at July 20, 2005 11:54 AM | Email This
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1. They've got what? 72 hours to file charges? Normally with the white collar criminal type they wait till charges are filed before an arrest. The reasoning is that white collar types don't pose a physical threat to anyone why take up booking / jail space for one.

This smacks of intimidation, abuse of office and other dirty tricks.

Posted by: JCM on July 20, 2005 12:05 PM
2. I suppose that this will qualify one or both of them (Sims or Logan) for the prestigious Clinton fellowship at the Democrat School of Democracy in Action.

Posted by: scott158 on July 20, 2005 12:10 PM
3. Former King County Elections Superintendent Julie Anne Kempf was booked into jail Tuesday, July 19, on investigation of forgery, theft, criminal impersonation, and assault on a police officer, Seattle Weekly has learned.

The probe that led to her arrest is related to events that occurred after she left her county job in December 2002, but it involves recent incidents connected to the elections office.

No formal charges have been filed, and details are sketchy. But sources say Kempf, 40, allegedly sent current King County Elections Director Dean Logan an e-mail, pretending to be someone else. She is also suspected of inserting false documents into a file of public records while she was reviewing them, allegedly constituting forgery. Sources also say she stopped payment on a check that she had used to pay for the documents and, during an investigative interview attempt last week, allegedly tried to hit a sheriff's detective with her car.

King County Sheriff's spokesperson John Urquhart noted that it is department policy not to identify targets of probes but said, "I can tell you that we've had an ongoing investigation related to this, and that the suspect in this case was booked into jail last evening, then released after the person was fingerprinted and photographed." King County Jail records confirm the investigative charges as well as Kempf's booking and release around 5 p.m. Tuesday. Urquhart also says the person involved in the arrest allegedly assaulted a police officer: "When we tried to interview her on July 11, she was in a car at her residence. The detective had his ID out, showed his badge, and she drove off. He had to jump out of the way to avoid being hit by the vehicle. We have no doubt she saw him."

Kempf, who could not be reached for comment, was fired as King County's superintendent of elections in 2002 for what a dismissal letter described as "a pattern of dishonesty ranging from fabrication to significant distortion of important facts and events." She allegedly lied about why absentee ballots were mailed late for the November 2002 election, according to a county report back then, and was accused of backdating documents and delaying the public release of completed ballot counts, temporarily omitting 1,500 votes in one election.

She denied the accusations and said faulty computers and other imperfect tabulation processes were systemic. A 2003 review of the county vote process by Secretary of State Sam Reed supported some of her contentions that errors resulted from staff shortages, technical problems, and lack of communication. The man who fired Kempf, then–Elections Director Bob Roegner, also resigned a few months later after another snafu, the late mailing of absentee ballots.

Kempf, who dropped a brief challenge to her dismissal, subsequently described herself as the "second-most-famous fired person in King County after Rick Neuheisel," the ex–University of Washington football coach. She deemed herself a scapegoat for a troubled county elections department—one that proved to be more widely flawed than thought last year with the storm over the state's disputed gubernatorial election. A court challenge this year failed to force a new election between Democratic Gov. Christine Gregoire and Republican Dino Rossi.

Posted by: Conservatives for Criminals!! on July 20, 2005 12:22 PM
4. It's kind of amusing that a former Republican mayor of Auburn, Bob Roegner (a guy who new how to match an expensive tie with a great pin striped suit, but didn't know a lick about elections), ended up costing the Republicans the Governor's race.

And now the right is falling over themselves to defend of an old time Democratic political hack and former 33rd Dem. District officer - Julian Kempf.

Posted by: bkdhd on July 20, 2005 12:29 PM
5. You can look up the booking by typing in Julie Kempf's name on here:

http://www.metrokc.gov/dad/inmatelookup/SearchJailData.aspx

They held her for 51 minutes, and then released her without any formalities, charges, bail, etc. Bizarre. Why even bother?

Posted by: Richard Pope on July 20, 2005 12:41 PM
6. bkdhd,

Am I missing the humor? The post is about Julie Kempf, not Julian. And why are dems so surprised when reps support what is right, even when a dem is right? To me that says that dems don't care about right and wrong, just the trailing letter.

Posted by: fred on July 20, 2005 12:45 PM
7. Stefan,

Check out Julie Kempf's property records and see if her house has been foreclosed on yet.

Posted by: Richard Pope on July 20, 2005 12:48 PM
8. I love ironies!!

BTW - Is it ok if I spel rong? I makes me feel at home with you in this glorrified letter to the editor world you live in.

Blogging reminds me of that tech company WebVan, which allowed you to order groceries on the internet. WebVan.com captured the lunacy of the tech age: "If you can do it on the internet, it must be worthwhile and will change the world!!!"

What ever happened to WebVan.com anyway?

I remember.

Webvan delivers its last word: Bankruptcy | The troubled online grocer says it has ceased operations and plans to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

Posted by: flogmyblog on July 20, 2005 12:48 PM
9. This has a nasty smell about it!

Posted by: Laurie on July 20, 2005 12:52 PM
10. I'm listening to the interview now. Sometimes you can just tell when somebody is being truthful; and this lady sounds like she's being very candid and honest. Sims and Logan are out of control.

Posted by: Trick Nasty on July 20, 2005 12:57 PM
11. It's standard operating procedure, and a pretty big reason wrongdoing is ignored in King County. It's easy to say that you'd act differently and stand up to obvious wrongdoing, but when actually victimized by the retaliation, intimidation and career damaging consequences of going against the flow, it probably looks different.

In 2002, 5 King County DOT Whistleblowers were asked to stand up and endorse wrongdoing being committed by their colleagues in the DOT Concurrency Group. The Concurrency Group manipulates the current traffic models to supply models with forecasted impacts by development proposals. A Traffic Concurrency Certificate has to be obtained by a developer before their application can be processes, but the process for granting a certificate is not a public process, and the public's right to challenge it may not occur for years on a major development until well into the application processing and hearings.

These 5 were responsible for building the current traffic concurrency models and they objected to what the Concurrency Group was doing to the future forecast models to endorse developments and promote policy before the King County Council. There allegations included charges of criminal wrongdoing within their department by colleagues with the refusal of management to address or correct it. Remember, these folks all work ultimately for Sims.

When the 5 refused to go along with what they believed included criminal wrongdoing, they were first removed from involvement in the traffic concurrency process. They were given bad performance evaluations and eventually, the top 2 were laid off. They were only hired back when one was moved to a different group and the other, a Supervisor with a PHD in Traffic Modelling, was forced to accept a 2 grade demotion.

They are now suing King County in Federal Court, but the case is now being stalled by King County in light of recent King County Hearing Examiner rulings that this same DOT Concurrency Group committed multiple acts of "arbitrary and capricious" acts for developers.

An "arbitrary and capricious" action is one taken that no reasonable or honest person would take given the facts and evidence.

This group has engaged in some truly incredible manipulation of concurrency studies over the years, not limited to using inflated road capacities, corrupted road count data, deflated forecasts and intentionall misapplication or road standards. Only recently was it discovered that they were intentionally misusing their traffic modelling sofware and even inserted non-existent roads into their models to trick the models into supporting additional capacity without requiring developers to fund road capacity improvements. They have even gone so far as to cover-up failed tests and replace good data with bad data to force the tests to pass.

I personally am convinced, like in cases like David Krull and others, if the King County Executive goes after someone, odds are that person is a good guy that simply wouldn't go along with the corruption that permeates the Executive's Office and bureacratic branch in King County.

The latest actions by DDES and DOT, to simply stop counting traffic on roads that would trigger halting of permits as required by existing permits, is just the latest in a long string of actions committed by planners and their management that no "reasonable or honest" person would engage in.

And that just about sums up King County.

Posted by: Mike on July 20, 2005 01:26 PM
12. I should add that a complaint has been filed with the King County Ombudsman and cc'd to the PA's Office and the Sheriff requesting investigation of this latest wrongdoing. No response has been received yet.

Posted by: Mike on July 20, 2005 01:28 PM
13. We really need the U.S. District Atty. to investigate King County elections. Heck, there also should be a probe into the U.S. District Atty.'s office non-action on this issue.

Posted by: AP on July 20, 2005 01:41 PM
14. Wow! The interview with Kirby was dynamite! No wonder they're after her! Looks like she's going to need a good lawyer. What a hoot if it actually goes to trial!!

Posted by: katomar on July 20, 2005 01:42 PM
15. "Three of the comments below, from "Conservatives for Criminals", "bkdhd" and "flogmyblog" are all from a King County government IP address, which supports my observation that Ron Sims and the people in his administration are using illegally public resources to harrass private citizens"


Our tax dollars at work. These must be the hard working government employee's I always seem to hear about.

Posted by: swassociates on July 20, 2005 02:00 PM
16. This is how you do it right? This blogging thing? You spend 90 percent of your time posting stories from the MSM and then commenting on them.

Glorrified letter to the editor writing, if you ask me.

It's kinda fun though.

Posted by: dfkhdfh on July 20, 2005 02:07 PM
17. Even Jim Miller agrees!

from his blog

Just Not True: It turns out that the reasons given for the late mailing of absentee ballots here in King county were false. Here's the original story and here are the facts. The D. C. sniper had nothing to do with it. King county does not even share a printer with Montgomery county, Maryland. The Maryland governor never urged people there to vote with absentee ballots. The superintendent of elections for the county, Julie Anne Kempf, told us a completely false story.

Posted by: dsfd on July 20, 2005 02:16 PM
18. dfkhdfh,

You're a little behind the curve, but we'll see what we can do to catch you up. See, we DREAM of the day that the Old Media (or sometimes MSM) would run with half of these stories instead of trying to ignore them to death.

Keep trying!

Posted by: TB on July 20, 2005 02:17 PM
19. Looks like dfkhdfh above is also a King County employee, or perhaps Ron-bo himself.

Not many people that write blogs or respond to them bother to send letters to the editor of the useless Seattle newspapers. If we have something to say, we put it here.

I know, free speech and the fact that your political corruption in King County is being commented on (as opposed to ignored for favors by the MSM) is really a pain in your ass. Use some vasoline, though, and get over it.

Posted by: BananaLand (aka Iguana) on July 20, 2005 02:20 PM
20. Arrest Dean Logan and Ron Sims!

Posted by: Clean Up This Mess! on July 20, 2005 02:20 PM
21. looks like Stefan's beef with Ron Sims might be about his property tax bill on his really nice and expensive house.

ouch

Grantees

SHARKANSKY, STEFAN M

Sale Information

Sale Date Sale Amount Assessed Tax Amount Debt Amount Deduction

05/03/2003 $858,836.00 $15,287.28 $0.00

Posted by: fdfd on July 20, 2005 02:40 PM
22. Gosh Shark, being a Republican and all, I thought you'd have a much more expensive house than that.

The fact that either Ron-bo himself, or one of his butt boys, is coming here to harrass a citizen based on details like this is interesting. In fact, there is probably a liability involved for KC.

Posted by: BananaLand (aka Iguana) on July 20, 2005 02:47 PM
23. So fdfd,
What exactly does that have to do with the topic under discussion? Somehow I bet your IP will ALSO be from the King County Government range, which I suppose would at least qualify you as one of the 'veiled threats'. Look, you actually mangaged to contribute to the cause, make sure you trot back to your masters and let them know, they'll be so proud!

Posted by: Disgruntled IT guy on July 20, 2005 02:47 PM
24. looks like Stefan's beef with Ron Sims might be about his property tax bill on his really nice and expensive house.

Well, well, well. Looking into the public records of your political enemies, eh? Not very sporting of you dean-o.

Posted by: steve_dog on July 20, 2005 02:48 PM
25. Former King County Elections superintendent arrested

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

SEATTLE -- Former King County Elections Superintendent Julie Ann Kempf has been arrested for investigation of forgery, theft, criminal impersonation and assault.

Kempf, 40, who was fired in 2002 for what officials called a "pattern of dishonesty," was booked into the King County Jail just after 5 p.m. Tuesday and released less than an hour later, jail records show. The arrest was first reported in the Seattle Weekly on Wednesday.

Sgt. John Urquhardt, a King County sheriff's spokesman, did not immediately return calls from The Associated Press seeking comment Wednesday, and Dan Donohoe, a spokesman for the county prosecutor's office, said the investigation was being handled by the state Attorney General's Office.

Janelle Guthrie, a spokeswoman for the Attorney General's Office, confirmed the case had been referred there, but said she could not comment further.

The Weekly, citing confidential sources, reported that Kempf allegedly sent current King County Elections Director Dean Logan an e-mail pretending to be someone else; inserted false documents into a file of public records while she was reviewing them, constituting forgery; stopped payment on a check that she had used to pay for the documents and, during an investigative interview attempt last week, tried to hit a sheriff's detective with her car.

"When we tried to interview her on July 11, she was in a car at her residence," Urquhardt told the Weekly, though he refused to identify the defendant by name. "The detective had his ID out, showed his badge, and she drove off. He had to jump out of the way to avoid being hit by the vehicle. We have no doubt she saw him."

Kempf, who has no published phone number and could not be reached for comment Wednesday, was fired as King County's superintendent of elections in 2002. County officials determined she lied about why absentee ballots were mailed late for the November 2002 election, and was accused of backdating documents and delaying the public release of completed ballot counts, temporarily omitting 1,500 votes in one election.

She blamed the problems on faulty computers and imperfect vote-counting procedures - contentions that were partly supported by Secretary of State Sam Reed during a 2003 review. Kempf initially challenged her dismissal, but then dropped it.

Posted by: dfsdf on July 20, 2005 02:49 PM
26. Yes, IT guy, this is either Ron-bo himself, or one of his butt boys working hard to earn brownie points.

These people cannot stand free speech and attack it whenever they see it.

Posted by: BananaLand (aka Iguana) on July 20, 2005 02:50 PM
27. And another thing, ye trolls from King County elections and records:

The general public is sick of you. Heaven help you turkeys when David Irons fires the lot of you. Get used to supersizing those Extra Value meals, 'cause that's where your paychecks are gonna come from. Those of you that don't have the legs or the cornholes to walk Aurora ave, that is.

Posted by: steve_dog on July 20, 2005 02:51 PM
28. God forbid Stefan makes any money! How dare he!!

Go back to your apartments, losers.

Posted by: Rich on July 20, 2005 02:52 PM
29. fdfd

relevance?

Good for him, he's probably worked very hard for what he has. Nothing wrong with trying to hold on to as much as possible.

Oh, and the "working" thing. Try it some time.

Posted by: Jeffro on July 20, 2005 02:53 PM
30.
In some cases I'm glad KC employee eyes are tied to this blog- it's likely to be more productive than the work they were hired to do anyway. Sorry it is at the expense of your tax dollars.

Posted by: Andy on July 20, 2005 02:58 PM
31. I'm sorry, but that's just incredibly immature and in poor taste to post Sharkansky's tax bill. Public records or not, that's just childish.

But then again, you're a public employee, it's to be expected. At least Sharkansky earned his money.

Posted by: Mike H on July 20, 2005 03:00 PM
32. This just gets more strange by the hour.
Shades of Yegoda, Yezhov and Beria.
But this is King County where now they want to empower the garbage collectors if citizens mix their glass and plastic. Complain and you are subject to visits from DDES, or worse (or perhaps eventually)actions under imminent domain.
Just how far will this go?

Posted by: Danno on July 20, 2005 03:02 PM
33. Stefan,
Please save the record of these county trolls.
It is important to eventually make these foolish people accountable. Sims is up to his usual tricks. This woman is not his only target. Someday he may find out he is not king and all his minions are not protected in his little kingdom. They will need to be reminded on paper.
Thanks for paying attention as you always do. I see they are trying to intimidate you with public records. That is also typical. These people are sick and need to be reminded what public records are for. They are not there to intimidate others, and they are not there to rat on your neighbor. I wonder if everything they do is so much for the public good, why they feel they must use the public records and public time and public money to push their good doing? Could it be that we do not all agree with their methods, and we do not all agree with them as to what is the public good?
Is it even relevent what your house may cost or where you live? Are you only really a good person if you live under a bridge, a tent city, capitol hill, or have your address as a county building? The only problem I can see is that most properties in the county are over taxed, but I guess they would have to be to pay for all the silliness coming out of Sims kingdom.
King County shills wake up! People are not singing your tune.

Posted by: cindy on July 20, 2005 03:05 PM
34. Stefan,

As these rats come out of the woodwork, you should think about writing a book about the recent history of Seattle politics. With the amount of sleaze that it would necessarily contain, how could it not be a bestseller?

Posted by: Trick Nasty on July 20, 2005 03:11 PM
35. Stephan,

Please, under the fredom of information act, ask for the MAC addresses assigned to the IPs you have for the dates you have. It needs to be done soon before the addresses are renewed if they were assigned by DHCP.

You will either get a person of concern or an employee who should have known better.

Posted by: timman on July 20, 2005 03:30 PM
36. I wouldn't be surprised if these trolls are on Ron Sims personal payroll. It would be just his style.

Posted by: swassociates on July 20, 2005 03:58 PM
37. And another thing - Why is the King County sherrif going along with this?

Posted by: steve_dog on July 20, 2005 04:48 PM
38. My question if how does fdfd go about retrieving Stefans tax statement. I know if you have an address or parcel number, this is a no brainer. I want to know how this jackass got Stefan's address.
Did they walk across the hall and get it from someone sending FOIA requested materials to Stefan? Did they use the voter data base for personal reasons?
I think this matter should be turned over to the law, as I see it, this person may be a stalker with an axe to grind and if nothing else is using King County resources for the same.

Posted by: Jim L on July 20, 2005 05:04 PM
39. Jim L,

The Sheriff's Office and the PA's Office are no more concerned about fairness and justice than the Sims and his staff. The whole county machine is designed and intimidated into protecting the whole. I can tell you from personal experience that Maleng is a rat and while I've not had personal experience with the new Sheriff, her predecessor was as much a defender of county wrongdoing as anyone else.

Posted by: Mike on July 20, 2005 05:17 PM
40. Good Grief.

No wonder there were no whistleblowers with the courage to come forward. I suspected a degree of intimidation in KC, but never thought it would plunge to this level. How naive of me.

BTW, nice to see our tax dollars at work in some of the commentary above.

Posted by: Shaun on July 20, 2005 05:34 PM
41. OT (sort of)..

Hey, don't be too harsh on Sims. He may have power but he is using that power to America safe.

IN 2002 SIMS SAID: "These two gentlemen are community activists, not terrorists," declared Ron Sims, the King County executive, who is the highest-ranking African American elected official in the state of Washington. "It's the McCarthy era all over again," said Charlie James, who heads a group called the Organization of African American Unity and who issued the news release on behalf of the brothers."

THESE BASTAR%S ARE GOING TO BE LINKED TO THE LONDON BOMBINGS! JUST WATCH!!!

(you must see this link!)
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/93


Yes, thats right! Sims will defend terrorists, election fraud, economic boondoggles, and the whales. He is a busy man..

SERVING THE PEOPLE OF WASHINGTON.. MY ASS!!

Posted by: Splatter on July 20, 2005 05:55 PM
42. ..sorry: "to *keep* America safe".

Posted by: Splatter on July 20, 2005 05:56 PM
43. I should have included directions to the Dim Sims quote with that link I posted. Scroll down the page to the area entitled:

Vocal Cleric Arrested in London at U.S. Behest
By Craig Whitlock and Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, May 28, 2004; Page A01

A little further down you will see Sims defending the "two gentlemen".

Further down the page you will read that these "gentlemen" traveled from Tacaoma to Blye Oregon to "target practice".

Oh, BTW.. "The older brother is an "entrepreneur" based in London, according to Charli James. The older brother has written and privately published several inspirational books aimed at young African Americans. One book is called "The Young People's Guide To Starting a Business Without Selling Drugs." The older sibling also is reported to be the founder of stopamerica.org, Web site harshly critical of U.S. actions abroad. The site lists offices in London; Karachi, Pakistan; and at an unspecified address on south Crenshaw Boulevard in Los Angeles."

HEY RON, YOU SIMPLE FOOL, TERRORISTS ARE NOT GENTLEMEN!!

Posted by: Splatter on July 20, 2005 06:24 PM
44. We have met the enemy and he is Sims.

If he wants to try to intimidate us, perhaps it is time for a little "Louisville Slugger" counseling with the crooked bastard and his punk thugs. Sitting here talking is not getting us anwhere.

Dilwad Sims thinks he can intimidate us into silence. Let's show him that he can't. We know that this a**hole and his freak show can't take on all of us. Somebody here knows how to get to this POS. Let's put it together.

Posted by: ERNurse on July 20, 2005 06:53 PM
45. LOL.. wow.. This is great. What better evidence that the people we are fighting are 1980's USSR throwbacks than the fact that they think pointing out that someone owns an expensive house is an indictment of his character. Next they'll accuse him of being a *gasp* CAPITALIST!

..and I suppose Ron Sims lives in one of his beloved tent cities, no?

Posted by: RookieRick on July 20, 2005 06:58 PM
46. $800,000 for a house around here? What is it,
9 blocks from lake Samammish and 2800 sq ft.
All the result of the f*****g democrats and their
enviromentalist causes. They can have a house
but no one else better build on that vacant lot.
We are going to sue. What a bunch of stupid bastards. I hope they ALL get ass cancer.
Love, Mark

Posted by: mark on July 20, 2005 06:59 PM
47.

Stephan and the Gang:

Go to: www.corrupt-union.com

and click on: "THE SMOKING GUN II"

In that investigative report is a U.S. Department of Labor interview with Julie Ann Kempf.

So you think the King County Election Division has just recently become a haven for Democrat crooks? Think again! The Seattle area LABOR UNIONS run the KCED. And now you know why WA has so many election problems.

Posted by: the Rocket on July 20, 2005 07:31 PM
48. My God!

Something is about to be exposed in King County!!
Just reviewing this absurd arrest of Kempf - and the unusual troll traffic here from King County computers......Something is going down!

I agree with the poster who said the US Attorney should immediately get involved with this or should be investigated for NOT getting involved! This is huge!

I wouldn't blame the KC sheriffs department too much for Kempf's arrest. They have to follow orders. The fact that they let her go is a statement in itself! I would look for the person or department who issued her arrest order.

Kempf needs Federal protection - NOW.

Posted by: Deborah on July 20, 2005 08:27 PM
49. Posting personal financial (real estate) information, indeed. No, he doesn't live a couple of blocks from Lk. Sammamish in a 2800 sf house. I sincerely hope his home is much grander than that! Meanwhile, silly trolls, we don't care how much his house cost. All we care is that he is fighting the good fight and doing it well. How he got his money and where he got it is of no concern to us. Personally, I think he could use a little more money for all of his hard work. Time to hit the tip jar!

Posted by: lksimstrailgrammy on July 20, 2005 08:36 PM
50. What specific IP address are the King County government posts coming from?

Posted by: Concerned on July 20, 2005 08:44 PM
51. Hmmm.

Further analysis reveals that our mystery poster is likely left-handed, speaks with a stutter, and has a profound problem with incontinence.

I also have it on authority that he was once arrested for sniffing bicycle seats at a local elementary school.....

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 20, 2005 08:54 PM
52. Thanks soup for the heads-up. I was just wondering if the mystery poster was just a moron. Your take makes more sense.

Posted by: Danny on July 20, 2005 09:00 PM
53. If the US Attorney doesn't get involved in this, maybe there should be a recall campaign to relieve him of his post - he has demonstrated to be dead wood.

The radio news reports that Kempf has been booked
"Former King County Elections Superintendent
Julie Anne Kempf was booked into jail Tuesday, July 19, on investigation of forgery, theft, criminal impersonation, and assault on a police officer" (by Rick Anderson, Seattle Weekly - a good reporter).

I'd like to hear what lies behind these charges. Was she framed by Sims/Logan as my instincts would believe ? Investigation is clearly needed. I heard her interviewed by Kirby and she was filled the role of a whistle blower, but came across as credible. David Irons - hope you are paying attention, in case the rest of the story surfaces so you can use it in your campaign - you'll need it !

Posted by: KS on July 20, 2005 09:11 PM
54. "What specific IP address are the King County government posts coming from?"

Yes!
Post it Stefan. I could probably trace it down to the King County office building the are posting from! Maybe even the desk!

Posted by: Deborah on July 20, 2005 09:26 PM
55. How DARE the elections people meddle like this and try to keep the public from finding stuff out!

They can't stop THIS tide!

Posted by: Fix This Mess on July 20, 2005 09:37 PM
56. I have spent a while looking at news stories about Julie Anne Kempf in the past, as well as thinking this matter over. I believe the charges against her are either (1) unwarranted, (2) trumped-up, or (3) selective prosecution.

Pretending to be someone else (impersonation) is generally a crime only if done for purposes of fraud. Otherwise, it is no worse than the investigator who pretended to be a 17 year old boy in order to "out" (and seriously disgrace) Spokane Mayor Jim West.

Maybe stopping payment on a check issued for a public records request could be "theft", but almost no one is prosecuted for writing a bad check in King County. Certainly not for what is likely an extremely small amount of money.

As for "assaulting" the officer, maybe some plainclothes detective stood behind her vehicle as she was backing out of her driveway. Probably, she didn't see him at all. If she did, how could she know he was a cop, as opposed to some who might have been trying to rape or assault her? The detective was foolish to put himself in danger simply to interview her. Next time, he should try knocking on someone's door or calling them on the telephone.

As for the forgery charges, there could be some basis for these, if it relates to the following topic:

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=1894

This deals with some 33rd District Democrat campaign finance reports which magically appeared in King County Elections in the summer of 1999. I won't get into any details, but this story was well reported in the MSM in September 1999 or perhaps a bit sooner, and very well known to all the relevant government authorities -- AG, PDC, prosecutor, KC Executive, etc.

I think a felony committed by a public servant in relation to their official duties can be prosecuted for up to 10 years. Still, why is there suddenly being interest taken about six years later in the matter? And why didn't Ron Sims fire Kempf in 1999 when this was discovered, instead of forcing her to resign three years in 2002 over another matter?

If Rob McKenna is going to prosecute Kempf for falsifying campaign finance report filings in 1999, then he needs to prosecute ALL the King County Elections personnel who falsified election reports related to the November 2004 general election.

Posted by: Richard Pope on July 20, 2005 09:56 PM
57. Jim,
I am in the mortgage business. Property profiles and title reports are given to lenders free of charge. They tell anyone who orders the title report who is the vested owner of the property and the lien holders, Lien holders are anyone who has claims against the vested owner. 1st lien holder is always the county taxing authority. A title insurance fee is collected when and if a mortgage purchase/refinance transaction is recorded.

Long story short: all of this info is available to the public if they know where to look

Posted by: Brad on July 20, 2005 10:00 PM
58. OK, King county voters--enough--game's over as well as the pithy blogs--this is showtime;

time to REALLY dump Sims; First, Kempf--what next? chopping of arms a-la progressive African reform tactics? Can't hide on the sidelines anymore--this guy is out of control; You are either in or out--Get this jerk out of office; if you don't care, then you deserve all that you sow, & may Darwin's principles be merciful on you!

He is an anchor dragging on our county's and state's full sails; Up anchor!! Full speed ahead!

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on July 20, 2005 10:19 PM
59. "Long story short: all of this info is available to the public if they know where to look"

You can look up this information on the King County Metro site.


http://www.metrokc.gov/recelec/records/default.htm
You can look up public records, marriage records, property records.....just pick which record you want to check and put a name in there.....

I believe you can request that your information to be inaccessible on the internet.....

Most people aren't aware that their personal information is so easily obtained via King County Records website....But King County employees would know this! And they know abuse of this system can cost them their job....But hey! Who's going to care in King County? Who's going to bust them? Ron Sims? Hah!
You have to *agree* to a security disclaimer before you can access the public records search page...but it looks like they are only concerned that someone will use the information for mass marketing.....not ID theft! King County is so frigging lame!

Posted by: Deborah on July 20, 2005 10:42 PM
60. I agree with Richard Pope regarding the "assaulting" an officer charge. I have the utmost respect for law enforcement officers, but calling or knocking on the door would have been the most appropriate thing to do. If some unknown man had approached me with a badge, I would have driven away too. Remember Ted Bundy and the Hillside Strangler(s) used to impersonate police/security personnel.

Posted by: Teresa on July 20, 2005 11:48 PM
61. Please get it through your heads. It is Rob McKenna who is prosecuting the case, after having it handed to him by Norm Maleng.

IF you have a problem, it is with the GOP, not with Norm Rice. If there is a big evil machine, it sure seems to be Republican.

Posted by: JDB on July 20, 2005 11:49 PM
62. I think this is the url to the main records search page..

http://www.metrokc.gov/recelec/records/

Posted by: Deborah on July 20, 2005 11:50 PM
63. Conspiracy abounds at KCE. Can we reactivate Mulder and Scully? I am folding tin foil hats in the shape of elephants as we speak to protect my mind from the evil rays being emitted by KC Repubs, LOL.

Posted by: bludonkee on July 20, 2005 11:57 PM
64. Deborah your point kind of wraps up a whole theme of the two most recent subject posts... Isn't it funny that we can access all kinds of personal information on each other through King County's website and even post Stefan's property/tax information BUT Stefan CAN'T go to King County elections to see some absentee ballot envelopes!

So much for open government.

Posted by: Joe on July 21, 2005 12:04 AM
65. Brad,
I understand how easy it is to get info on properties and all names attached to them. I am curious how Stefan's address came into the "reporters" being whereas they could get that the tax data to publicise

Posted by: Jim L on July 21, 2005 12:06 AM
66. JDB....why do you persist? Are you oblivious to the fact that no one believes anything you post.....ever? Your post's are immediately dismissed by the faithful SP visitors...(and with good reason!)

From the story:
"Janelle Guthrie, a spokeswoman for the Attorney General's Office, confirmed the case had been referred there, but said she could not comment further.."

The case had been *referred* to the Attorney General's office.....It did not originate there...
Maleng has not been named in the arrest or the investigation..... In fact - the only person's named in the story - who claim a crime was committed against them - was Dean Logan and a detective in the KC Sheriffs Dept......

This looks like an attempt to intimidate Kempf into keeping her mouth shut about the corruption in King County! The arrest was probably ordered after she spoke with Kirby Wilbur publicly about the problems in the KC elections department.....

JDB...You just can't spin this one into a right-wing conspiracy.....it's got corrupt and slimey (and about to be busted) liberal Democrat written all over it!

Posted by: Deborah on July 21, 2005 12:20 AM
67. Deborah:

Well, the one thing that we can count on with you is that you are always wrong. How's that super secret Federal investigation into the election fraud that wasn't going?

You really should read more sources. From the PI (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/233447_kempf21.html):

"The state Attorney General's Office is overseeing the investigation, and an assistant state attorney general said yesterday that the office requested Kempf's booking because investigators believe there is probable cause the offenses occurred. He declined to provide details."

Oops, your wrong again. Looks like the GOP has it our for Kempf. Like I said, if there is a conspiracy, it apears to have GOP written all over it. It must suck to be you.

Posted by: JDB on July 21, 2005 12:28 AM
68. Can't wait to see what's goin' down soon! Let it rain!

Posted by: Michele on July 21, 2005 12:30 AM
69. Jim L...

Someone put Syefan's name into the search feature in the public records page in the King County site I posted above... The site will provide all kinds of public information - you just need a *name* entered..

Scary isn't it?

Posted by: Deborah on July 21, 2005 12:56 AM
70. JDB...

Keep looking........The facts will eventually bite you!

Posted by: Deborah on July 21, 2005 12:59 AM
71. JDB
I believe that it is you who are wrong here, not Deborah. She is correct in stating that someone else had to ref the matter to the Prosecutors Office.

The Prosecutors Office does not initiate criminal investigations as they do not have detectives/investigators or field officers who do the initial leg work. They do the office work and all cases are referred by either law enforcement or some other goverment body/official.

Turn off the TV once in awhile...the real world is not like CSI or Matlock...

Posted by: Blueknight on July 21, 2005 01:08 AM
72. "Turn off the TV once in awhile...the real world is not like CSI or Matlock..."

Snicker....I laugh when I see the *Crime Scene Investigators* running after a bad guy on TV! No....NO! How about those perky Coroners who solve the crimes - catch the bad guys - and only need the cops to transport their prisoners!

Yep...JDB....You really need to go on a *ride along*........but then again..you probably are already familiar with the back seat of a patrol car....

Posted by: Deborah on July 21, 2005 01:21 AM
73. Bravo Deborah....BRAVO!!!
'bout fell outta my chair laughin at that one!!
..familar with the back seat of a patrol car!! HA!

Posted by: Blueknight on July 21, 2005 01:46 AM
74. "Papa Doc" wannabe Sims and his handlers are political misfits and must be removed.

Posted by: The Pirate on July 21, 2005 06:30 AM
75. Fact (assuming this is true for the moment): Complaints against Kempf were referred by Sims and Logan

Fact: Rob McKenna's office is running this investigation

Assumption: Rob McKenna is competent

Fact (assuming assumption above is correct): McKenna's office wouldn't investigate the complaint, especially one referred by two Democrats, if there weren't a basis to it

Stefan's Conclusion: Democratic conspiracy.

Doesn't this seem a little far-fetched to any of you?

Personally, I think it's projection.

Posted by: Northern Coho on July 21, 2005 06:58 AM
76. "Several of the comments below, including from "Conservatives for Criminals", "bkdhd", "flogmyblog", "dfkhdfh", "dfd", "dfsd" and "fdfd" are all from a King County government IP address,"
This is great! They keep getting sloppier and dumber and taking greater risks. Soon it will happen and the great fraud will wound it's self and it will not be able to keep it's self covered.
Do you see what is happening here. Sims and Company think they are 'untouchable', therefor they attack with immunity thinking they will never be caught. Slim Stefan, slim Kempf or anyone who gets in their way.
And jokers like 'JDB' think it wouldn't happen to them. An idiot's dream, a fool's stance. It's like the village idiot standing in a pile of crap while laughing at the cow defecating. It is amusing, the left is.

Posted by: Son of Liberty on July 21, 2005 07:08 AM
77. Northern Coho,

Why isn't McKenna investigating the racketeering he knows about within the state supreme court?

Posted by: Don on July 21, 2005 09:20 AM
78. Deborah,

If Kempf were to contact me, the prosecutor would drop the charges in a NY minute. All she would have to do is tell them she would call me as a witness in any trial and her problems would simply go away.

Posted by: Don on July 21, 2005 09:25 AM
79. Maybe we should call you "The Don", can I get the same results?

Posted by: Real Men on July 21, 2005 09:49 AM
80. Ron Sims,

Is that you Ron? Or should we call you "bkdhd", "flogmyblog", "dfkhdfh", "dfd", "dfsd"?

Posted by: pbj on July 21, 2005 09:52 AM
81. Okay, Don, I'll bite, against my better judgment. What is the racketeering that McKenna knows about within the Supreme Court?

Posted by: Northern Coho on July 21, 2005 10:05 AM
82. Ron Sims,
Yes you Ron. Every day you wake up your closer to being fired and prosecuted. Yes, you can't run from what you have done. Your end is nearer. You have messed with the laws and now with Mr. Sharkansky site. Harrassment of a private citizen on government dime.

Here's looking into you, AHole...

Posted by: The Law on July 21, 2005 10:09 AM
83. Northern Coho,

Here are just a few documents related to my appeal of the superior court decision of the sufficiency determination to recall Gregoire.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/washrecall/gregoire61305pet.pdf

Read pages 84-85 to start with. No one has bothered to attempt to deny even one of those statements under oath. McKenna knows it and refuses to do anything about it.

Here are just a few of the implications of those facts, and I've got dozens and dozens of other documents and facts, which you can read about at the link. I've got more than is even mentioned there.

1. The state supreme court is run by some through a patern of racketeering activity. I have been a personal victim of it, as you can see.

2. The whole issue of the illegality of appellate court commissioners, which has been used for about 35 years is almost incomprehensible as to the legal implications. Every single decision by any appellate court commissioner for the past 35 years, is void. they have no legal authority to exercise judicial powers, and the members of the supreme court have been aware of this fact for a least the last five years. When this gets exposed, the courts while become a state of chaos and every person who has been denied their constitutional right to due process vbecause of it will have a valid claim against the state.

3. It exposes the absolute depraved corruption of the courts of SW Washington, the court of appeals and the State Supreme Court. It will also expose the racketeering of Gregoire, Locke, and many superior court judges and other elected officials.

4. It also exposes the fact that the supreme court, without any legal authority has created an unconstitutional rule which states that the supreme court has the authority to ignore any law it chooses to ignore unless the legislature specifically states that the court cannot, in essense, veto that legislation. An example is that on appeals of recall determinations by the superior court, the statute requires that the supreme court hear and decide them within 30 days. The SC has created a rule that says they do not have to obey that law. That is a criminal violation of my civil rights and is official misconduct under the Washington statutes.

That's only the beginning. i do believe there are a few justices, especially Sanders and Jim Johnson, who want all this to change and to bring the supreme court into compliance with the laws and constitution of the state.

Is it any wonder the media refuses to report anything about my petition to recall Gregoire? the mayor of Spokane case is getting lots of notice, but mine isn't. The media has certainly been informed. the media is trying to avoid the coverage of this because when it is exposed, it will become a national story and make Operation Greylord 9corruption of Chicago courts in the late 80s and early 90s look like childs play.

The US Attorney is aware of all this, and has admitted that CJ alexander has been obstructing justice in my case. He refuses to do anything becasue Alexander and a lot of the others involved are friends of his.

Do you need more? I've got plenty.

Posted by: Don on July 21, 2005 10:31 AM
84. Deborah,

"I agree with the poster who said the US Attorney should immediately get involved with this or should be investigated for NOT getting involved! This is huge!"

Don't expect Mckay to do anything. He is just as corrupt as any public official in the state.

Posted by: Don on July 21, 2005 10:36 AM
85. Stefan, you should immediately submit a Public Disclosure Act request to King County, demanding copies of the web proxy server log files during the time frames when these postings were made, so you will know the internal IP addresses of the machines that accessed SoundPolitics at those times. You should also demand a copy of the DHCP server log files so you can identify the specific machines to which these addresses were assigned. Then you can request copies of the security logs on those machines, to determine which specific user was logged in at the time of the postings.

Personal use of county computer equipment is a violation of RCW 42.52.160 and King County Code section 3.04.020(A) ["No county employee shall request or permit the use of county-owned vehicles, equipment, materials or property or the expenditure of county funds for personal convenience or profit."]. You COULD just report this misuse of county computer equipment for personal convenience to the Director of the Office of Citizen Complaints (ombudsman@metrokc.gov, 206-296-3452), but my guess is that getting real action will require an independent investigation as with just about everything else that involves misdeeds within King County Government.

Posted by: Rep. Toby Nixon on July 21, 2005 05:03 PM
86. I speak as a Conservative Republican and a sheriff's deputy. All of you who think that any of us would be involved in some kind of conspiracy in County government really have gone too far. Most King County deputies are more conservative than the lot of you blogging here, let's face it with what we see on a daily basis we have reason to be. The rest of you complain about the courts, complain about the media, complain about criminals but rarely have first hand experience with any of it, we live it every day. You are letting your ideology blind you by inventing some grand conspiracy theory. The Sheriff's Office rank and file has no contact and is not influenced by the Exec's Office. As a matter of fact the relationship we do have with most of the County council and Exec is an adversarial one. None of us would participate in some grand conspiracy with the people we can barely tolerate ourselves. You have gone too far when you accuse us of being lackey's of the executive. There is a difference between us Cops and you wanna-be conservatives......We have to put our ideology aside everyday and be fair...Maybe that's just too hard for you to do........

Posted by: Sierradog on July 21, 2005 11:32 PM
87. Thank you Rep. Toby Nixon, Sierradog, and all the police officers, Sheriff's officers and the few honest politicians our there. Now is the time to speak out and put honesty and trust back into our system.

The politicial system we have is the system we let stay in power, good or bad, we the people let it stand. If we distrust it, we must change it. Who controls whom?

God bless the cops!

Posted by: Son of Liberty on July 22, 2005 06:38 AM
88. "Most King County deputies are more conservative than the lot of you blogging here, let's face it with what we see on a daily basis we have reason to be."

Now hold up one minute there Sierradog!
No one is accusing the KC Sheriffs Deputies of being in on some grand conspiracy with Ron Sims!
And *Yes* - Most Law Enforcement officers are very conservative! But to say that you are MORE conservative than those who are in this blog...would be a stretch.....Many of our faithful posters *are* LEO or of LEO families! That is why you see so many come to the defense of our local Police and Sheriffs Deputies when they are wronged by the liberal media and liberals in general.

We appreciate that you would not cow-tow to corruption for the sake of your position in King County. We appreciate how God-awful it must be for you to work under Sims and his cronies! (Believe me - I know it must suck!)

We do not have even a fraction of the facts of Kempf's arrest yet.....But we do have quite a history of the questionable dealings and corruption within the King County elections Department....enough to allow us the right to go Hmmmm...with Kempfs arrest!

So chill.

Posted by: Deborah on July 22, 2005 09:31 PM
89. Deborah:

It's kowtow, not cow-tow, unless you were accusing KCS of towing cows...., which with you would not be a surprise.

And, yes, you did accuse KCS of beign a part of a giant conspiracy. That is why liberals like me have to defend good honest public officials from your paranoid fanasies.

Again, there are only two people who could have ordered the arrest of Mrs. Kempf, and they are both Republicans. If there is a conspiracy, as dear old Stefan and you would like to believe, it is a Republican one.

Posted by: jdb on July 23, 2005 12:15 AM
90. JDB...Once again you are proving yourself to be an idiot....sigh...

"And, yes, you did accuse KCS of beign a part of a giant conspiracy."

Well...No..no I didn't accuse the King County Sheriffs Dept of being part of a giant conspiracy - as you will see from my post....

"I wouldn't blame the KC sheriffs department too much for Kempf's arrest. They have to follow orders."

Please.....get a new hobby! I enjoy my misspellings and grammar flubs! Don't try to correct me in the future!

Posted by: Deborah on July 23, 2005 12:49 AM
91. Well...No..no I didn't accuse the King County Sheriffs Dept of being part of a giant conspiracy - as you will see from my post....

"I wouldn't blame the KC sheriffs department too much for Kempf's arrest. They have to follow orders"

Well the above statement you made is accusing us of being in this conspiracy besides being downright ignorant. I don't know how other police departments work in this area but KC Deputies dont blindly arrest people based on an order from Sims, the Sheriff, George Bush, Cameron Diaz or any other person. All arrests are based on probable cause, you know that little technicality they make us have to arrest someone. Being ordered to do something does not absolve you of ultimate responsibility for the action-see Nuremberg trials 1946 for reference. Why would I risk my career, house, family and possible time in a federal prison to arrest someone at the order of Ron Sims. Kempf's arrest was based on probable cause, pretty simple, happens everyday.

Posted by: Sierradog on July 23, 2005 01:11 AM
92. "You have gone too far when you accuse us of being lackey's of the executive. There is a difference between us Cops and you wanna-be conservatives......We have to put our ideology aside everyday and be fair...Maybe that's just too hard for you to do........"

This is an interesting development. First JDB's mommy takes over for him (probably because she got embarrassed for him calling himself "biteme"), and now we've got ourselves a real life county sheriff's deputy telling us "what fer".

Gee Mr. sheriff's deputy, You won't ever make Sergeant with those investigative skills. The ones who have offered the conspiracy notions here are liberal trolls. Deborah's statement (and restatement, in case you weren't paying attention) says N O T H I N G about a conspiracy within or involving the KC sheriff's department. Let's put on our sleuthing caps, shall we, Mr. sheriff's deputy?

Poster "steve_dog" asks: "Why is the King County sherrif going along with this?" Could this be the inception of our "conspiracy"? Or could it be an honest question?

Poster "Mike" appears to not like you very much Mr. sheriff's deputy. He says: "The Sheriff's Office and the PA's Office are no more concerned about fairness and justice than the Sims and his staff." I don't know how true this may be, but it certainly isn't an accusation of conspiracy.

Then we get the troll "bludonkee's ass": "Conspiracy abounds at KCE." Well I do declare! At last someone (a mouth-breathing, lefty troll) uttering the "C" word!

Now "Joe" and "Jiml" and even "Deborah" (you remember Deborah - the same one you're trying to take to task?) all have comments to make, but no "C" word until we get to our old friend "Biteme" AKA JDB: "Like I said, if there is a conspiracy, it appears to have GOP written all over it." ( I liked how he thoughtfully included the projection "It must suck to be you." to our beloved "Deborah". Actually Biteme, nine out of ten trolls agree, it REALLY must suck to be you)

Oh, and one more for you Mr. sheriff's deputy: We have "Northern Carp" projecting and presuming Stefan: "Stefan's Conclusion: Democratic conspiracy."


So there you have it Mr. sheriff's deputy - the only "conspiracy" at play here is among the liberals.

Whatever complaint or criticism you may have, framing it in this "mightier than thou" gives me pause to question both your motives and your credentials. If you are LEO, you recognize the simple FACT that conservatives are more likely to support you and your mission than liberals EVER will. If you are LEO, of course.

If you are a conservative (as you claim to be), you recognize that the power structure in King County is being manipulated in ways that go beyond their various legal and ethical charters. From the KC elections board, to the office of County Executive, we got troubles, right here in "River City". Do you disagree? Is it your contention that we "wanna-be conservatives" are just seeing ghoolies under the bed?

So why is it that all of your "arguments" are exactly the same ones that liberals attempt to assert? Coincidence?

Good luck with that Sergeant's exam....

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 23, 2005 10:37 AM
93. Deborah:

As has been pointed out by others, you most definitly said that KCS was part of the great conspiracy, since you say they blindly follow orders of people in no position to give them orders.

Further, all of you keep giving the only people that can give them orders, Republicans McKenna and Maleng, a pass. It seems like you really need to adjust your tin foil hat, it is preventing you from seeing the real conspiracy..., but of course, that is just what they want to happen, isn't it?

Posted by: jdb on July 23, 2005 11:22 PM
94. As you can tell, biteme/JDB thought the tinfoil was supposed to be administered as a suppository....

(Ouch, that has to hurt!)

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 24, 2005 08:51 AM
95. Alphabet:

How did you even come up with that, and especially when thinking of Deborah? Lay off the booze.

Posted by: jdb on July 24, 2005 01:14 PM
96. biteme/jdb, you phool, it is obvious that you were the one thinking of Deborah (likely as a part of some simple-minded insult), not me.

(what did you do, pull the tinfoil out of yer rump and chew on it?)

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 24, 2005 05:37 PM
97. "Kempf's arrest was based on probable cause, pretty simple, happens everyday."

Er....gee...I would hope so!
Probable cause for arrest - as in the case of Kempf - would be determined by your superiors and/or the detectives working on the case (who would also be your superior). Ron Sims can accuse Ms. Kempf of fraud and illegal activity and file a complaint with the KC Sheriffs Office and provide what he believes is evidence. The KCS would then investigate the complaint and the evidence and make the determination whether or not there is probable cause for arrest. You - as a Sheriffs Deputy - could be dispatched to back up the detective making the arrest. The detective in this case would be on the hook for the arrest - thus - YOU (the Sheriffs Deputy) would be just following orders - providing backup and maybe transport of the suspect.....

I'm thinking that maybe Sierradog is not really LEO....He's too paranoid and confrontational to be law enforcement.
Me thinks he's a wannabe and probably a troll.....


Posted by: Deborah on July 24, 2005 08:30 PM
98. I hear ya, Deborah. I could be wrong (I was once, in about 1986 I think), but I got the notion that we were getting Bravo Sierra from Sierradog...

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 24, 2005 08:44 PM
99. Yes, Deborah, because he disagrees with you, he's the paranoid one. That's the ticket.

Alphabet, I just mentioned a tin foil hat..., how you got to her ass is between you and your shrink.

Posted by: jdb on July 24, 2005 09:35 PM
100. My god man, even the stupid jokes are too much for you (or did you let your mommy take over the keyboard for you again?)

Let's see...do the biteme/jdb math.... must be

"jdb 16 bazillion, rest of the world 0"

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 24, 2005 09:50 PM
101. My god man, even the stupid jokes are too much for you (or did you let your mommy take over the keyboard for you again?)

Let's see...do the biteme/jdb math.... must be

"jdb 16 bazillion, rest of the world 0"

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 24, 2005 09:55 PM
102. My god man, even the stupid jokes are too much for you (or did you let your mommy take over the keyboard for you again?)

Let's see...do the biteme/jdb math.... must be

"jdb 16 bazillion, rest of the world 0"

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 24, 2005 09:56 PM
103. alphabet:

See what I mean about your drinking problem. Three posts? Got the jitters?

You really need to seek out help. And maybe they can help you with this ass fetish of yours. That and the fact that you can't tell when you are being mocked...., of course, if it is all true, I hate to think what you do with tin foil around your house...,

Posted by: JDB on July 25, 2005 09:37 AM
104. Wow, that's a wicked burn there biteme/jdb...you cut me to the quick!

Too bad none of it makes any sense.

Feeeeeel free to keep trying however ;'}

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 25, 2005 12:42 PM
105. Yep, it didn't make any sense. That is why you just had to reply.

Perhaps it is better that you keep hitting the bottle. I would hate to be you and see what the real world is like. How could a mind, even one as small as yours, deal with being constantly wrong? Hey, at least you have your ass fetish, right?

Posted by: JDB on July 25, 2005 02:12 PM
106. Do you ever think before you post?

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 25, 2005 02:57 PM
107. Are you ever sober when you post?

Posted by: JDB on July 25, 2005 04:07 PM
108. The most inebriated that I've ever been in my life pales compared to the detachment from reality that you regularly display on this board.

That is why I enjoy this so much....usually people of your caliber are found sitting on a sidewalk with a full load of crap in their pants. This way I can poke at ya without getting any on me…

I must paraphrase Mr. Churchill: "Moron, I may be drunk now, but tomorrow I shall be sober, and you will still be a moron"

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 25, 2005 05:16 PM
109. The most inebriated that I've ever been in my life pales compared to the detachment from reality that you regularly display on this board.

That is why I enjoy this so much....usually people of your caliber are found sitting on a sidewalk with a full load of crap in their pants. This way I can poke at ya without getting any on me…

I must paraphrase Mr. Churchill: "Moron, I may be drunk now, but tomorrow I shall be sober, and you will still be a moron"

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 25, 2005 05:16 PM
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