June 29, 2005
Just Say No to the Monorail

Wednesday's P-I has a rare (mostly) sensible editorial "Monorail Project: Board must say no".

Squeezed by a 20 percent increase in project costs on one side and a 30 percent decrease in anticipated revenue on the other, members of the Seattle Monorail Project staff have done their best to come up with a viable project at an affordable price.

Sad to say, they have failed.

It's incumbent on the SMP Board of Directors to acknowledge that failure and reject the current proposal.

I've never known the P-I editorial board to oppose a transportation boondoggle. Good for them for finally seeing the light.

There's also a poll at the bottom of the page. Be sure to vote.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at June 29, 2005 12:50 AM | Email This
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1. I disagree with just one things about the editorial. SMP staff did not fail. It was an impossible project from the very beginning.

Posted by: BananaLand(aka Iguana) on June 29, 2005 01:57 AM
2. Joel Horn is a liar and a fraud. His name should become synonymous with unrealistic boondoggle projects.

He goes about now saying that the newspapers and Mike Murphy are "misleading" the public. To the contrary sir. Your agency has a policy of disinformation and outright rejection of the principles of transparency.

Posted by: Rex on June 29, 2005 05:43 AM
3. If the MSM is climbing off the Monorail train it must be BAAAD!

Sometimes, every once in while, common sense breaks out.

Posted by: JCM on June 29, 2005 06:41 AM
4. Must be a mistake...they let an intern from a conservative university write this accidentally.

Posted by: Danny on June 29, 2005 06:42 AM
5. If I tried to do fancy accounting like this, I would lose my CPA license. Let's stop the monorail before it looks even more like the next Enron or WorldCom.

Posted by: Doug on June 29, 2005 07:42 AM
6. Enron or WorldCom would be models of responsibility and fiscal propriety compared to the accounting (and other) fraud practiced by government at damn near every level.

In fact if attorneys for Ebbers and Lay had shown the level of deceit and outright fraud that the same government that was prosecuting them routinely practices, I don’t believe that it would have been possible to gain a conviction against either of them.

Posted by: JDH on June 29, 2005 08:05 AM
7. I can't believe it. After all the crap that has gone on the PI poll is currently running if favor of approving the project. Not that it really means anything, but damn are these people really that dense?

Posted by: Steve B on June 29, 2005 08:06 AM
8. Steve - I agree, I'm surprised with the poll results (as unscientific as they are). Perhaps the poll is being rigged by the monorail supporters (like the contractors).

Posted by: Regret on June 29, 2005 08:12 AM
9. I voted on the PI's poll, to my surprise, Approve is currently at 51+ per cent. A few possibilities of this poll:

1. PI readers are mostly moonbats who doesn't have any common sense (as evidenced by those who post silly comments on this board)
2. Many SP readers went and voted to approve as a form of punishment to Seattle's lack of reality
3. Those voting are not Seattleites, and they'd rather see Seattle suffer permanently (somewhat related to #2)
4. Those with close tie to SMP have been instructed to vote on this.
5. Etc.

Posted by: C. Oh on June 29, 2005 08:17 AM
10. Don't worry. They'll figure out a way to more than make up for it.
Wonder what Ken Schtrudz has to say about it?
Probably something about that extreme right wing news media.
Never UNDERESTIMATE em.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on June 29, 2005 08:31 AM
11. Oops, the moonbats woke up. When I voted about 7:15 the poll strongly favored rejection.

Posted by: dl on June 29, 2005 08:41 AM
12. JCM--
Right-o! Yes--even liberal MSM folk change diapers. They have noses too. However, their tolerance for the diaper's contents (like this boondoggle) is much greater. Guess it's a 'creative freedom' thing or an 'expression' thing to them, not common sense.

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on June 29, 2005 08:54 AM
13. This is King oops (krupt)county. polls as elections are always riged against common sence.

Mark a

Posted by: MARK A on June 29, 2005 08:58 AM
14. dl, the moonbats are up before 9am!!? I thought they never roll out before noon.

Posted by: JCM on June 29, 2005 09:04 AM
15. Looks like it's moving even more to the approve side. I can only think of two rationals for wanting this thing approved.

1) I'm a Seattlite who really wants a monorail and I'm counting on a State and/or Federal bailout when cost balloon even more.

2) I'm not a Seattlite and I want to watch them suffer for their own stupidity. I'm also counting on their not being a State and/or Federal bailout.

(wouldn't let me post the word b e t t i n g as opposed to counting)

Posted by: Steve B on June 29, 2005 09:06 AM
16. I bet the liberal talk shows are asking their people to vote on this one. At 6AM it was a landslide against the Monorail. I bet supports started calling all the stations that listen to them to get the word out on the vote. Remember their motto vote early and vote often.

Posted by: David Anfinrud on June 29, 2005 09:19 AM
17. it would be consistent with the SMP's MO to encourage all their friends to vote in an unscientific poll in order to create the appearance that Seattle supports this boondoggle.

why isn't there a link to the Seattle Times article today that says that the SMP is considering issuing $350 million in debt to pay their contractors BEFORE the Seattle Council conducts its vote?

labor wants this project and labor is going to get it. labor gets paid to build it. labor gets paid to tear it down. labor doesn't care about the numbers. labor doesn't get paid to care.

Posted by: Rex on June 29, 2005 09:27 AM
18. here's that link:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002351477_monorail29m.html

Even before the council acts, though, the SMP's Finance Committee tomorrow will consider authorizing up to $350 million in short-term debt called "commercial paper" to start paying contractors. That adds to the $110 million the agency already owes Bank of America for land purchases, planning and other tasks since voters approved the Green Line in 2002.

Posted by: Rex on June 29, 2005 09:29 AM
19. Nice editorial! The SMP board is mostly appointed, and to date they have just rubber-stamped everything the SMP's staff and lawyers put before them. They appear to believe they only represent the folks who voted for "a monorail" on the ballots. The P-I is quite right to point out that the SMP board actually owes fiduciary responsibilities to all the residents of Seattle, not just that contingent that still is calling for this project despite the monumental cost and outlandish financing scheme.

Posted by: ringo on June 29, 2005 09:31 AM
20. Along with all the other discussions re SMP -- and the other BS transportation scams that all have currently existing parallel bus lines which will be screwed up except as to act as feeders between stations -- the SMP West Seattle -- BALLARD ROUTE IS TOTAL CRAP THERE ARE SEVERAL BUS LINES ALREADY SERVING THE REAL TRANSPORTATION NEEDS between these areas and downtown

Posted by: Bill on June 29, 2005 09:48 AM
21. PI poll still at 54% approval -- looks like ballot stuffing to me -- "workers of the world unite" and go vote on the pravda isvestia poll before your whole world collapses and you end up at the Home Depot with the illegals looking for day labor parsed out by some evil capitalist pig

Posted by: Bill on June 29, 2005 10:21 AM
22. The poll is running 51% in favor!

Was it Jefferson who said that democracy was the theory that people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard?

In any event, that seems to be what is playing out here.

I say give us all the Cadillacs with a driver the study said we could all have for less than the price of this mess.

At least then I could sit in traffic with my laptop, climate control and wireless internet connection for the 2 hour drive to Puyallup :-)

I suppose I could kick a few bucks in for that; but not for a monorail that myself nor my family will ever ride.

We could also employ a lot of people as drivers.


Posted by: Gary on June 29, 2005 10:28 AM
23. don't forget the Grey Pupon -- better than the SMP POOP-ON

Hey there's an idea: poop-on.org

Posted by: Bill on June 29, 2005 10:39 AM
24. I think the poll was messed with, and it was one individual. I have been watching the poll since 6:30, and I have been tracking it on a spreadsheet since around 9:00. Early in the day it was mor than 85% for dumping the Monorail, then it began skewing the other way before 9:00. At that time it began going about 5:4 the other way. This continued until around 10:00 where it swung back to the expected 85% for about a half hour, then went back to the skewed number until just before noon.

Since noon the disapproval has gone about 87%, and has remained that way. I am guessing that whoever was skewing the poll did so from before nine, took a lunch break from ten until ten thirty, then continued for about an hour before tiring of the effort.

I would normally attribute such a difference in poll results to the flakyness of moodbats legitimately taking the poll, but in a naturally occuring poll there would be steady numbers throughout the day and would not likely be any large swings. The "opposes" have remained steady, approaching a bell curve in distribution. The "supports" have come in two large bunches, from 8:30ish to 10:00 and 10:30 to 11:30, with small amounts trickling in at other times; a distinctly unnatural distribution of results.

Not that anyone really cares, since common sense would oppose the continuation of the monorail, but I think this observation shows that the "supports" lack common sense and must resort to underhanded tactics to even appear to have public support.

Plus, I am just bored at work and did this observation for fun.

Posted by: Kim S on June 29, 2005 02:14 PM
25. I have taken the effort to call the Seattle city Counsel people this morning to make my stop the project view know. I was givin the phone number to Steve Williamson's (board member SMP) So I called His direct office number and again let my stop this mess view known. The lady who answered the phone was very nice and took the message. About 2 hours later I got a phone message from his office and in polite terms told me that Mr. Williamson responce was that "any comments that be made need to be made in a public fourm" such as only at public mettings and only to the SMP office number. In other words I don't know how you got this number but don't call me direct I don't care what you think. If you all would like to express that it is are tax dollars paying him and if we want to leave a message for him in person we damn well will. His direct number is 206-441-8510 go wild

Mark a

Posted by: Mark a on June 29, 2005 02:27 PM
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