June 28, 2005
The Perfect Vote Fraud (II)

Last week I mentioned the perfect vote fraud (Gregoire-Kastama fraud), which Christine Gregoire and the Democrats in the legislature enshrined into law this year. In a nutshell, the way to pull off this perfect vote fraud is to register under a fake name, claiming that you possess neither a WA driver's license, state ID card or a Social Security number, and then vote a provisional ballot on election day. While the loopholes that enable this fraud aren't new, it's appalling that the Democrats refused to close the loopholes this year when the Republicans were encouraging them to do so. It's especially galling that the Democrats cynically hid the explicit instructions for committing this fraud in the section of the legislation that pretends to require ID for voting at the polls.

One of the reasons this fraud is so perfect is that the Secretary of State's Office recognizes this to be a potential problem but is nevertheless powerless to do anything about it. The Evergreen Freedom Foundation sent me a portion of an e-mail exchange they had with SoS election officials on the subject of this potential vote fraud. The SoS Elections Office acknowledged its impotence in this quote:

Since we expect the number of people who have neither [driver's license, state ID or SS#] is few, the number of people who register without either forms of ID should be miniscule. If our office were to find a higher than expected number of voters registering without either ID after the state system is in place, we will find out why. If that inquiry reveals a basis for believing that voter registration fraud is occurring, we will turn over the evidence to law enforcement.
Obviously, there's almost nothing that law enforcement can do about people who register by mail using phony names and addresses. I don't necessarily blame the SoS Office for their inability to prevent Gregoire-Kastama fraud now that it's the law, but it would have been nice if Sam Reed and his staffers had recognized the problem while the bill was being negotiated and had spoken out more aggressively to improve the integrity of the registration and voting process.

In the meantime, anybody who wishes to commit Gregoire-Kastama fraud has a simple way to immunize themselves from any possibility of being busted by "law enforcement" (and I say this sardonically, I definitely do NOT encourage people to commit vote fraud) -- Register under a Spanish name using the Spanish language voter registration form. You know that every Democrat activist group, Latino civil rights organization and immigrant rights group in the country will apply maximum political pressure not to disenfranchise anybody who submits a legally complete voter registration form using a Spanish-sounding name.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at June 28, 2005 05:33 PM | Email This
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1. This is such a sad state of affairs that it is *almost* comical.
Almost.
I think we should blame the SoS's office though. What else are they there for of importance? What is more important than preventing vote fraud? That office has gotten a free pass for way too long as it is......
Remind me which side Sam Reed is on again??? Because it certainly isn't the taxpayers.

Posted by: christmasghost on June 28, 2005 05:43 PM
2. Thanks for 'outing' them on this, and coining the phrase "Gregoire-Kastama" fraud. Bet 'ol Christine didn't know she'd become famous THIS way!

Posted by: Michele on June 28, 2005 05:49 PM
3. Better yet, use the Russian language voter registration form:

http://www.secstate.wa.gov/elections/pdf/vrRU.pdf

I wonder if they will still process your registration if you use Cyrillic letters to complete all of the requested information?

In addition to English, Spanish and Russian, Sam Reed is nice enough to allow voter registration in Chinese, Cambodian, Korean, Laotian and Vietnamese.

So what would happen if Sam Reed were to all of a sudden receive a few thousand or more registration forms from Russia, China, North Korea, Laos, Cambodia or Vietnam?

They could all be registered at the King County Elections office and have mailing address of, let's say, some North Korean military unit which the soldiers belonged to. And King County elections would have to mail out absentee ballots to the North Korean military units each time there was an election -- just make sure the soldiers check the permanent absentee box.

And it really wouldn't be too difficult to print these forms on the A4 paper that is most commonly used outside of North America. The PDF print function will automatically adjust the 8.5 x 11 image to different sizes of paper used for printing.

Posted by: Richard Pope on June 28, 2005 06:18 PM
4. SoS says, "Since we expect the number of people who have neither [driver's license, state ID or SS#] is few, the number of people who register without either forms of ID should be miniscule."

Do you suppose that in KC such registrations would be considered miniscule at 129?

Posted by: ipsi-dixit on June 28, 2005 06:18 PM
5. the SOS MAY turn over an inordinate number of ID-less registrations, but we all know that their votes will still count, in the meantime. We're not impressed, Sam

Posted by: Michele on June 28, 2005 06:33 PM
6. It looks like this next 3 1/2 years is or should be jam-packed with voter initiatives.

Anyone know how I-912 is going? Are the numbers getting close?

Posted by: Gil on June 28, 2005 06:37 PM
7.
VOTE FOR PEDRO
Posted by: Skor Grimm on June 28, 2005 06:39 PM
8. Thurston County City Council just voted to make the county all mail balloting.......... Big Article in the Olympian online.

Posted by: sgmmac on June 28, 2005 06:41 PM
9. If step _one_ was to get a Matricular Consulate card, you'd have yet another layer. Supposed to be as easy as "Hey, can I have one in the name Pedro?"

Posted by: Al on June 28, 2005 06:57 PM
10. How about all of Jose's, Pedro's and Juan's kids that have also been registered to vote?
Mel

Posted by: mel on June 28, 2005 07:03 PM
11. How 'bout a campaign. Everyone register as often as possible, under every imaginable name. Flood the registrars office tens of thousands of patently fraudulent registrations. Use these very rules to throw the system into a state of utter chaos (as if it wasn't already).

Force them to reform the system and purge the rolls. Civil disobedience to take back our election system, our state, and our place as the source of sovereign power in our system.

Enough is enough! If they won't do what's right let's force the issue.


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Don't Tread On Me!
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Posted by: JCM on June 28, 2005 07:15 PM
12. Can I vote? Please, Please. I know a bumch of Mexicans down here in NorCal. I am quite sure I could get them to vote a certain way.

Posted by: Howard(pedro) on June 28, 2005 07:23 PM
13. Richard you beat me to it. I learned Russian in grad school so I could do a project in there. Putting it in Cyrillis would be a mind boggler to the KingCo staff.

Posted by: Deadwood on June 28, 2005 07:28 PM
14. With all due respect, Stefan, while it may be technically possible to do as you suggest, it would require a great deal of effort and a very good memory to accomplish it. The secretary of state has by far the better argument here, that they expect those without some form of ID to be miniscule in number. It follows that those attempting vote fraud would be a miniscule fraction of a miniscule fraction. Your implicit suggestion that the evil democrats have deliberately left open an avenue of fraud is just plain wrong and you are smart enough to know that (so I will assume that you have an illegitimate motive in kicking this dead horse). Every voting system has to strike a balance between perfect security and making it easy for legitimate voters to exercise their franchise. With the reforms coming on line, the Washington system will strike that balance.

As for your comments concerning the use of a Spanish name, do you spew that kind of stuff just to be provocative? If so, I've underestimated you.

Posted by: Northern Coho on June 28, 2005 07:31 PM
15. Northern coho,

"It follows that those attempting vote fraud would be a miniscule fraction of a miniscule fraction"

Kind of like 785 out of 3 million?

Posted by: Aaron on June 28, 2005 07:39 PM
16. Coho: "As for your comments concerning the use of a Spanish name, do you spew that kind of stuff just to be provocative?

Stefan merely pointed out the FACT that the Democratic party takes non-white voters for granted, but will suddenly take up arms if their perceived constituency is challenged. Are you saying that the Seattle Latino community on average is more likely to vote Republican?

Posted by: Mark on June 28, 2005 07:41 PM
17. Aaron -- if you read my comment carefully, you will see that I said, "With the reforms coming on line . . . ." One of those reforms, the state-wide felon database, is intended to plug the hole to which you refer -- a hole that should be plugged. (But not a hole, by the way, that cost Dino Rossi the election -- as we know from the GOP's failure to introduce any credible evidence that those illegitimate voters tilted the race to Gregoire.)

If you guys could see beyond the foam spewing from your mouths, maybe you would stop suggesting "reforms" designed to discourage legitimate voters (read that, "Democrats") from voting. But then again, vote suppression is the Republican election weapon of choice.

Posted by: Northern Coho on June 28, 2005 07:46 PM
18. FAKE FISH,

1. If you think this voting scheme requires "a lot of effort" and/or "a very good memory" it says a great deal more about your capacity than the scheme.

2. Despite your characterizations of the democrats "avenue of fraud," either they left it in place or they didn't. Obviously genius -- they didn't.

3. Simple obvious efforts to prevent fraud are not by any stretch of credibility calls for "perfect security," just common sense.

As for your typical pompous liberal insinuation about racism, you have overestimated yourself.

Thanks for the liberal humor. Take another shot at it using facts and logic, or shut up stupid.

Posted by: Amused by liberal morons on June 28, 2005 07:46 PM
19. "So what would happen if Sam Reed were to all of a sudden receive a few thousand or more registration forms from Russia, China, North Korea,..."

I'm sure he would *expect* additional ballots from these COMMUNIST countries - considering the recent oppressive socialist/communist policies, laws and ordinances enacted in this state! We are going RED - but not Republican red.... Heck - We all knew Gary Locke spent way too much time in China during his time in office...and....Oh my God! Gregoire loves to visit France!

Posted by: Deborah on June 28, 2005 07:49 PM
20. Coho...take it somewhere else. There ARE NO reforms coming online. There's plenty of "goodwill" and "good intentions" though...which are enough if you're a bleeding heart. Now I'm gonna go have a good cry for all the liberals whose feelings have been hurt.

Posted by: Amused by Northern Coho morons (aka Danny) on June 28, 2005 07:53 PM
21. "Every voting system has to strike a balance between perfect security and making it easy for legitimate voters to exercise their franchise."

This is the kind of stuff I love to read. I love it. Forget it, Northern Coho. People in Iraq were threatend with shootings, suicide bombings and all sorts of other nastiness and they still came out and voted, and you want to cry because you might have to prove that you're you and a citizen of the US in order to excersize your right to vote? I suppose you have no problem with someone ID'ing your for beer, cigarettes, airline flights, credit card transactions, and all that, but when it comes to excerszing force on a political level, it should be just wide open to anybody with a dot matrix printer who can print up a gov't looking envelope?

Are you people aware that the United States is NOT a democracy? That it is a constitution-based federal republic, with strong democratic traditions (as per CIA, The World Factbook, http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html)? What does this mean? Well, it means that we are a representative democracy. That means that in order to excersize total power, one party only has to win 50%+1 in a majority of districts, which can be achieved without including the numerical majority of public citizens. This becomes a serious problem when that majority is acheived in the legislature and then an election as close as this one occurs, during which errors and omissions and outright criminal acts led to one party capturing the executive office.

I expect this kind of s**t in the country I work in, Kyrgyzstan. They're kind of new at this republic thing, not really 100% moved from communism over to the new style. What I can not believe is that it took place in my home state.

Posted by: Aaron on June 28, 2005 07:54 PM
22. Northern Coho:

You left out a word:

"ILLEGAL vote suppression is the Republican election weapon of choice"

And that's a result of the fact that one of the Democrats' main election weapons is to allow illegal votes.

Either this loophole was left in, or it wasn't. If it wasn't, you'd be pointing out that fact. Therefore, you admit that this loophole WAS left in the law. And this loophole was left in by a legislature ruled by Democrats, after a Democrat was elected Governor by the slimmest of margins in the most screwed up election in anyone's memory.

It either is or it isn't. You've acknowledged that it IS. So what's your point?

Posted by: Larry on June 28, 2005 07:58 PM
23. At what point, does this type of set up for voter fraud - constructed by a single party for the sole benefit of that party in a local and/or national election - to the disenfranchisement of the People's (legal voters) will - become a National concern?

At what point did the Feds step into Chicago?

Unless there has been some deal made in the US Congress to allow the West Coast to become a Socialist/communist entity within the United States of America...I would see our State election corruption as a threat to our National Security...

I mean...isn't this what we are fighting against right now in the world? Wasn't Bush's speech tonight about freeing the people of the Middle East from oppressive rule and corruption? Didn't he spotlight the recent elections in Iraq and Afghanistan as models for democracy?

How can we send our troops out to fight for the freedom of others to be able to vote without corruption and fraud - when these same troops cannot vote freely without corruption and fraud in their own country?

There is something very wrong here....

Posted by: Deborah on June 28, 2005 08:30 PM
24. We said Deborah.

It also says volumes about those prepetrating this fraud, those tolerating the fraud, and those standing by.

Posted by: JCM on June 28, 2005 08:35 PM
25. Correction, well said Deborah.

Posted by: JCM on June 28, 2005 08:36 PM
26. Anyone else smelling rotten fish? Jumps in the room with its tail flopping, then gets beat on like an ornery carp....gutted, wrapped up in the PI, and tossed in the garbage. Someone please take it to the curb before I wang chung. Thx.

Posted by: MB on June 28, 2005 08:36 PM
27. There is one election reform they left out...

The purple thumb dipped in indelible ink.

Posted by: William on June 28, 2005 09:29 PM
28. Me llamo: Juan Morvote (Spanish application)
Pulls-Wool-Over-Eyes (First Settler application)
Ivana Nudderbier (Homeless application)
Frau D. Stufftinballotzen (German application)
Ima Dedfoter (Ouiji board application)
Fredo DeTruth

Posted by: Fraudo on June 28, 2005 09:32 PM
29. Good one Fraudo!

Posted by: cc on June 28, 2005 09:42 PM
30. It follows that those attempting vote fraud would be a miniscule fraction of a miniscule fraction. Your implicit suggestion that the evil democrats have deliberately left open an avenue of fraud is just plain wrong and you are smart enough to know that (so I will assume that you have an illegitimate motive in kicking this dead horse).


You stack it pretty high.

Posted by: South County on June 28, 2005 09:49 PM
31. Coho: "It follows that those attempting vote fraud would be a miniscule fraction of a miniscule fraction."

Please - if we're going to insist on using the SoS's high-falutin' language, let's at least not perpetuate their error. The word is MINUSCULE.

Posted by: Patrick on June 28, 2005 10:51 PM
32. ROFLMAO, Fraudo. Do you have any jack boots to wear with your hate hat? Nothing so funny as when one of you neo-cons reveals your true colors. I won't give you the dignity of calling you a Republican, I have some friends who vote Repulican and they are all pretty decent people, unlike you Fraudo.

Posted by: blu donkee on June 28, 2005 10:52 PM
33. You just think they're your friends, jackass....

Posted by: alphabet soup on June 28, 2005 11:02 PM
34. This is just one way the fraud can take place. Think of this scenario. Democrats run the election Office. They want to maintain control so they set up two standards of signatures. One for Democratic Precincts. another for Republican Precincts.
1. Democratic precincts. X signature is legal. One letter looks legitament. IF any doubt immediately send a card needing an update of the signature so their vote can count. Ensures all Democrats in Seattle get their vote counted.
2. Republican Precincts. One letter not matching must not be authorized voter. Only Republicans steal elections. A card asking for the updated signature sent 2 months after the election is certified. Credit them for voting but dont count the vote. No one would be the wiser.
Your name is listed as voted yet somehow it never made it to the counting table. THe numbers ballanced because we have 20000 extra votes in West Seattle we just deduct the votes from Republican sections.
There is many ways an election can be corrupted. KC and Wisconsin election failures were identical. More votes than voters listed as voting. THink about it same problems in too many places. IT is like they have a play book that they follow.
We can not show ID's because it will prevent the turnout of underrepresented groups (legal and illegal aliens) at the polls. A councilman in KC said those words. Guess what If the are aliens living in the US they do not have a right to vote. Do you know of anyother country in the world that allows aliens to vote in their elections. I cant think of any. If you are an illegal alien in Canada do you think you can get a job? I dont think so.
There are hundreds of ways an election can be corrupted. Several small items like showing a picture ID to vote can prevent dozens of them. That will prevent any type of impersonation of a voter. Like the dead walking into the poll place.
Mail only elections. Democrats control the mail and I know in the last election Some of my democrat friends that work in the local grocier store never got their ballots. Must have been lost by the post office. IF KC residents can not get a ballot in the mail How do you expect the Military to get their ballots? SInce the democrats control all the copy machines. Night before election run off a couple dozen copies for your friends to drop off. Go in and vote. Leave then return with another filled in ballot and drop it right into the machine. No one will notice. Just do it when things are very busy.
How many more scenarios do you want I can continue to think about ways to cheat the system. I am honest and I will not cheat. In the end those who do cheat will have to answer to thier crimes either in this world or the next. If someone cheats to steal an election it means they have no integrity. THey are not honest and they are no good. Yes Democrats there is good and evil. IT is not defined by Democrat or Republican. It is defined by Honesty and Dishonesty. Integrity or Hiding mistakes.
If any Democrat want to sit down with me I can tell a story about integrity vs Hiding mistakes. I personally was involved with one such problem. I got into trouble but I reported my mistake to my superiors in the Navy as soon as it was identified. I had the integrity to face what ever came my way. Honestly answering questions and explaining how it happened. I got a slap on my wrist others got demoted.
KC proved it had no integrity for the past election because they hide every mistake only Stefan and other researching the raw data brought to light. It took an outside review to start showing the problems. Yet many of these problems were repeats going back nearly a decade. People can forgive mistakes but hiding them and pretending there is no problem. That shows you the integrity of the election officials in KC. If you do not have integrity you do not deserve to be in charge of elections. We had faith that the elections were honest. And that there was only one vote per person. Well we know over 1700 illegal votes. How many other elections where fixed in the same manner. Light rail? Monorail? Maybe an attempt to protect the gas tax also took place but too many people voted against it that it could not be overturned.
Elections must be done honestly and with integrity. Otherwise we are not a free country. Because of that I will be working the poll places this next election cycle. I will be keeping an eye out for fraud and I will be helping those who need help. If they want to vote democrat I will help the little old lady with poor eyesite vote for the democrat of her choice. Because this is the right thing to do. My personal beliefs have no place just help those who need help.

Posted by: David Anfinrud on June 28, 2005 11:05 PM
35. Wouldn't it be interesting to see what kind of steps the Dems would take towards closing loopholes like these if Republican voters decided en masse to take advantage of them? (Of course, were this to occur, the Dems would no longer be in power anyways). They are counting on Republican voters to be more moral and honest than their base. As long as we oblige them, we lose. Isn't there something in one of our founding documents about the people rising up when governmental tyranny goes one step too far? Perhaps it's time for the Republicans to become "wise as serpents" and escalate the battle.

Posted by: jmcaul on June 28, 2005 11:08 PM
36. JCM,

In one sense, that's not a bad idea at all. Just because there are numerous fraudulent registrations to prove the weakness of the system, does not mean that anyone would actually have to actually vote under these fraudulent registrations. It would prove a point, without actually harming a real election.

I still don't encourage this though, why stoop to the level of the Moonbats who fraudulently cast ballots in this past election.

I think a better solution is to wait and see how I-912 goes. I have a feeling it's going to go quite well. I'll be down at the Tacoma Tall ships this 4th weekend collecting signatures. They expect over 400,000 people down along the waterfront this weekend. If the weather holds up, the numbers could be even higher.

Once we succeed with one initiative, there's no reason why we can't draft another initiative, have even more time to collect signatures, and correct the vote fraud loopholes ourselves.

If Olympia is not listening, then the people must take the process into their own hands.

Oppressors and Leftists from Tiannamen Square forward made one fatal miscalculation. They never counted on the power of the Internet.

Posted by: Jeff B. on June 28, 2005 11:49 PM
37. Coho--
Spare us the so-called righteous indignaton concerning the spanish ballot registration language reference.

Why our WA ballots are in anything other than English is a shame to me. Not that using another language is "wrong," but it's pandering and a waste of tax money for govenmental issues.

What happened to assimilation TO a country YOU CHOSE? America did not come & scoop you up. Why the special passes for every culture. I saw a WA government sign recently containing nearly 10 languages. That's crazy. Learn our culture or don't participate.

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on June 29, 2005 05:52 AM
38. Jeff B, I know I am being half sarcastic and half serious. The powers that be don't seem to be taking election reform seriously. If a bunch of us registered under 10+ names each and that didn't ring alarm bells, more voters than citizens on election day should.

Posted by: JCM on June 29, 2005 06:38 AM
39. Somewhere along the line the fact got lost that it is a privilege to vote. We are also told that a drivers license is a "privilege." Well it is now harder and takes more pieces of i.d. to get a drivers license than it does to register to vote. Anyone and I mean anyone who has a problem with a requirement to show some i.d. when they register to vote doesn't deserve the privilege of voting. The way I see it, the only persons having a problem showing i.d. are the ones who have something to hide. Men and women have died in wars to guarantee our freedom to vote and to make a mockery of the requirements to register to vote by not requiring some form of i.d. serves to make a mockery of the sacrifices made by the men and women who have given their lives to secure us that right.

Posted by: csr on June 29, 2005 09:37 AM
40. Are there any Native American multi-language/dialect ballots? I wonder why?

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on June 29, 2005 09:37 AM
41. Like I said before--the WA Legislature is more concerned about protecting a $5 video rental (with demanding an i.d.) than protecting our vote (with the same i.d. requirement.)

The legislature does not rent videos, but the relative i.d. importance is lost on them. Voting ease overrules voting intergity. A travesty.

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on June 29, 2005 09:54 AM
42. Unless I'm missing something and it's possible to be a legal voting citizen of Washington without being a legal citizen of the United States, printing any ballot material in any language other than English is a complete waste of money.

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/ clearly states one of the requirements for naturalization as:
"an ability to read, write, and speak English;"

By the way, my 5-year old daughter couldn't get a library card IN PERSON today without providing evidence that we live in the city we live in. If only our system of voting were half as secure.

Posted by: RookieRick on June 29, 2005 07:31 PM
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