June 14, 2005
Flash: Bill Huennekens has been demoted

A reliable source informs me that King County Superintendent of Elections Bill Huennekens has been demoted to "project manager", effective mid-July.

KC Elections is expected to make a formal announcement later today.

UPDATE: The press release at the King County Elections website has the news --

Effective July 11th, King County Superintendent of Elections Bill Huennekens will move to a new role in the Elections Section as Project Manager for the county’s compliance with provisions of the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) – the federal election reform measure adopted by Congress in 2002 – and recent election-related legislation passed by the Washington State Legislature. The county will begin immediately to conduct a nationwide recruitment for a new Superintendent of Elections.
Are you feeling confident that HAVA will be properly implemented in King County?
Both Logan and King County Executive Ron Sims recognized Huennekens’ work as Superintendent of Elections. “I respect and admire Mr. Huennekens,” said Sims. “He has contributed to the improvement of elections administration in King County – and this appointment will allow the County to continue to reap the benefits of his expertise as we face the mounting workload associated with election reform.” Logan added, “Huennekens’ knowledge of state election laws and the new federal requirements is extensive.”
Huennekens knowledge of state election laws was just extensive enough for him to deliver falsified reports to the canvassing board and to participate in the conspiracy to certify the election in violation of state laws. The guy should not kept on the taxpayers' payroll to implement election reform laws. He should be on his way to prison and/or banned for life from working in an elections office. Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at June 14, 2005 01:43 PM | Email This
1. The Dems showing accountability!

Where is your accountability, Stefan, for calling out fraud when none ever existed?

Posted by: Fred Harris on June 14, 2005 01:49 PM
2. Hey, "Fred Harris" who's posting on company time from Microsoft -- if it was a "model election", why did they have to demote the idiot who botched it? And why are they even keeping the clown on the payroll?

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on June 14, 2005 01:51 PM
3. Demoted??? By whom??? After all, Bill did just what was expected of him!

Posted by: Barcroft on June 14, 2005 01:54 PM
4. Hey Fred,

because a judge said the burden of proof the court established wasn't met does not determine no fraud existed. Nicole Way admitted she fraudently reconciled the absentee totals and passed them up stream. That's just one instance.
If you are stupid enough to believe that there was no fraud in this election, I pity you

Posted by: Jim L on June 14, 2005 01:57 PM
5. Hey Fred, you moron, you. The d'Rats aren't showing accountability. Accountability is when they find the errors, disclose the errors, research the errors, and fix the errors WITHOUT having to have the other political party bring it to light. Stop being so stupid.

Posted by: Danny on June 14, 2005 01:59 PM
6. If the reliable source is correct, FRED, then this is a cop out on the part of KCE.

Posted by: Danny on June 14, 2005 02:00 PM
7. There is no accountability here. If there were, BH would be terminated and charges brought. Accountability? Bahh! Light finger wag, no pain.

Posted by: duhh on June 14, 2005 02:00 PM
8. Hey Stefan, they are most likely keeping the idiot on to keep him from spilling the beans.
I'll bet he didn't take a pay cut with that demotion either. Probably will get a 16% raise like the rest of them.

Posted by: jonesme on June 14, 2005 02:04 PM
9. Probably going to promote Logan instead.

Posted by: TG on June 14, 2005 02:21 PM
10. He's not fired? hmmmm

And which "projects"? the one where you use black sharpies to bubble in votes? Or the one where they discern which ballots to be 'lost'? Or added in? Sounds sinister to me.

When is Logan being demoted to "Assistant Project Manager"?

Posted by: Michele on June 14, 2005 02:26 PM
11. Demoted. What--from $120k to $115k? Not fired? Not dumped in shame? Smaller cube? Next to the washrooms?

"Demoted" in private sector = you are whacked, dead, adios. "Demoted" here = you are allowed to continue and 'contribute' your invaluable skills to "make things better."

Reform. I feel much better now. So why not now entrust him in a nuke silo? Mein GOT!

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on June 14, 2005 02:26 PM
12. Demoted?????

Look, I wanna hear about doing hard time. Losing his job at an absolute minimum. And keep that door swinging with Dean and Sims...

Let 'em count license plates...and worry about a CAO of 8X12 feet...

Posted by: scott158 on June 14, 2005 02:35 PM
13. I'm already itching to buy a bumper sticker for '08 that says:


Posted by: Michele on June 14, 2005 02:41 PM
14. Bill Huennekens being demoted is really only the tip of the iceberg in terms of what OUGHT to be done with King County. Accountability doesn't just end with him. If anything, Dean Logan and especially Ron "99.98%" Sims ought to be fired to show accountability.

Posted by: foobar on June 14, 2005 02:44 PM
15. Stefan -

This isn't the first time you've criticized a poster for what you feel are inappropriate usage of employer resources. Why not leave worklife balance issues to employeers and employees?

It is one thing to go after public employees, quite another to go after private employees. And in both cases, being familiar with the employer policy for employee use of company internet access seems necessary before doing so.

I'm also posting "on company time" from Microsoft. I am confident my usage of Microsoft resources for this is within company guidelines.


Posted by: Peter Carlin on June 14, 2005 02:48 PM
16. Being punished for not being slick enough. Pulling off a heist without leaving a trail of FUBAR requires special talent. I guess Bill H. just isn't up to it. Came too close to getting caught for comfort this time. They'll probably get somebody from Milwaukee who knows how it is done to replace him.

Posted by: Dogbert on June 14, 2005 02:58 PM
17. Further thoughts on diversion of human resources from their work, while on company time:

Public employees apparently feel free to post opinions on the Internet during working hours, at the taxpayers' expense. And apparently at Microsoft, that's 'within company guidelines', at their shareholders' expense.

And within the elite Election Community? Bill Huennekins's misfeasance, which disenfranchised some legal voters while enfranchising other illegal ones, is taken just as lightly. To make things worse, the County covers for it by suppressing the IDs of the voters of those uncounted ballots - denying them the sympathetic public ear which the P-I gave Larry Phillips.

I vote that Bill Huennekins be promoted to intern at the county dump, where he will botch no further elections.

Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive on June 14, 2005 03:13 PM
18. Ah Shucks, I heard he was jumping up and down in the office after the verdict was read. Could not happen to a nicer guy. So Dean and Sims left to get rid of. Both will be our responsibility in the upcoming election. What will be real interesting is what democrat political hack takes Bill's place

Posted by: GS on June 14, 2005 03:29 PM
19. Judging by the Seattle PI interpertation you'd think that Huennekens Was taking a lateral postition.


Posted by: Adriel on June 14, 2005 03:43 PM
20. Stefan - I agree with Peter. Almost all of us have regular day jobs if I had to guess. Piling on, even though the rhetoric from Fred was ridiculous and over the top is probably not the way to go. Keep pointing out the ballot inconsistencies and keep the KC election department on their toes. Don't worry about the trolls throwing verbal fire bombs. Fred is obviously more concerned about a candidate winning at all costs rather than fixing a broken election system. Keep your eyes on the prize.

Posted by: Marc on June 14, 2005 03:50 PM
21. Regarding Huennekens, he should have been demoted right down to UNEMPLOYED.

I suspect this is a pre-emptive salvo in the county executive campaign - now MaxTax Sims can say, "See? I did something about the 'little election problems' we had."

Regarding the fellows posting on Microsoft time... as a shareholder this does not make me incredibly happy guys.

Posted by: Cheryl on June 14, 2005 03:53 PM
23. Hey, maybe Nicole Way is on her way to being promoted! If she is I hope she brings a bigger whistle, seems KCE is a little hard of hearing.

Posted by: Splatter on June 14, 2005 03:56 PM
24. What a joke! I bet his salary stays the same. This is an orchestrated move to try to appease the masses. Trying to make it look like they are cleaning their act up. They should all be fired.

Posted by: Vicki on June 14, 2005 04:05 PM
25. Peter Carlin:

You have to forgive the minnow for not taking criticism well. Thankfully, he limits his cyber stalking to those who disagree with him. Strange how that works out.

And at least we know the liberals on this board work, since apparently all the conservatives are on the dime posting all day.

Jim L:

Nicole Way did not admit to fraudulently doing anything. I know it is a hopeless cause, but errors or mistakes do not equal fraud. You made a mistake in your post, does that mean you were fraudulent? I don't think so.

You would think that you would hear some happiness in this board now that King County Elections is working to correct its mistakes, but no, just the same old paranoia/name calling. Figures.

Posted by: JDB on June 14, 2005 04:06 PM
Huennekens will receive the same salary, benefits, office etc. and they are making it sound like a PROmotion.
The only financial penalty Huennekens will have to suffer is he is required to turn in his official Don Ron Sims King POCKET-PROTECTOR!!
Boy they hit him where it hurts, didn't they.

This lateral move will really hurt Sims in the upcoming Election. Sims has control over this. It's HIS decision. Sims will be crucified for playing a shell game. Kind of like Gregoire retaining virtually ALL of Locke's Bureaucrats and claiming it's no longer "business as usual" because a couple of these LEFTIST PINHEADS played "musical chairs".

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on June 14, 2005 04:09 PM
27. HAVA Compliance Project Manager?

Is this one of those "make work" government positions? What a pathetic joke. All this "reform" is making me sick.

Well.. who better to help voters than someone who can raise the dead? Mortitin/motor voter, same difference.

Posted by: Splatter on June 14, 2005 04:10 PM
28. JDB - Way admitted to intentionally fabricating a report to cover the elections department butt. It wasn't a mistake or an error, she admitted she knew that what she was doing was a complete fabrication when she was doing it. Thats not a mistake or an error so at least be reasonable on your facts. I guess you could argue semantics and whether fabricating reports is fraud or incompentence, but it certainly isn't a "mistake".

Posted by: JDB on June 14, 2005 04:26 PM
29. Oops. That last post was me. Sorry JDB.

Posted by: Marc on June 14, 2005 04:26 PM
30. Funny; it's usually the honest hard-working employees of King County that get demoted to make room for those that "get the job done".

I guess that if either Logan or Huennekens had to go, the guy with the higher position gets to survive.

Huennekens will be back. He did too good a job for Sims and Gregoire. He'll be rewarded for his loyalty as soon as things die down a bit. You watch!

Posted by: Mike on June 14, 2005 04:28 PM
31. JDB

Nicole Way admitted to knowingly PLUGGING the total number of absentee ballots recieved to equal the number those counted and rejected thereby COVERING UP the net 875 vote without voters in King County. I'll bet that if the count had been 875 voters without votes the elections office would have continued reconciling to "find" more votes for CG. Because the discrepancy went the wrong way in democrat leaning King County they falsified the reconciliation report and stopped counting and declared their candidate governor.

Knowingling falsifying that document was FRAUD not a mistake.

Posted by: BrianD on June 14, 2005 04:29 PM
32. JDB:
How can you say that Ms Way "did not admit to fraudulently doing anything?" Maybe she did not "admit" it (did not say "I committed fraud"), but for heaven's sake, she knowingly falsified an election document, rather than telling the canvasing board about the problem.
NO ONE is going to admit outright fraud, but issuing a document that knowingly obscures the truth is a fraudulent act.

Posted by: Robert-in-Tacoma on June 14, 2005 04:44 PM
33. This move - confusing as to whether it's a promotion or a demotion - enables Sims to please both sides. To critics, he can say, "See, he's no longer supervising elections." To supporters, and most importantly, to other elections workers who may be inclined to "fudge" things in favor of the Democrats, this move says, "No matter how much trouble you get into, as long as you do it for the Democrats, I will take care of you."

Posted by: Shannon K on June 14, 2005 04:51 PM
34. JDB: The answer given by Nicole Way in the trial was a careful response to a rather poorly worded question put to her by Judge Bridges: "When you put that number on the report, did you know that it was incorrect?" (or something to that effect). She "truthfully" answered that she did not KNOW that it was incorrect - because there was a POSSIBILITY that it was correct. Never mind that there was no way to know one way or the other. Or that everyone involved knew that the "Number of ballots received" was supposed to have been generated as the ballots were coming in, to serve as a check against the sum of the number of ballots counted and the number rejected.

Please don't pretend that Nicole Way and her boss didn't know they were circumventing the meaning and intent of the reconciliation report. They perpetrated a fraud on the Canvassing Board when they decided to simply sum up the two numbers and represent the total as a known quantity of ballots received.

Posted by: Patrick on June 14, 2005 04:52 PM
35. "“The challenges of the 2004 General Election highlighted the need to closely examine the structure of the Elections Section and to allocate resources where there is the greatest need,” said Logan"

That Dean, always the comedian!

Posted by: Barcroft on June 14, 2005 05:21 PM
36. He deserves to be fired instead of being demoted with no doubt a big fat pay raise!

Posted by: sgmmac on June 14, 2005 05:35 PM
37. JDB: "Nicole Way did not admit to fraudulently doing anything. I know it is a hopeless cause, but errors or mistakes do not equal fraud. "

1) Nicole Way was required by law to put in the number that her department actually counted. I believe she testified that she knows this law.

2) She did not put in that number, which she had in her possession. She KNOWINGLY put in a different number, which she has admitted to under oath.

3) The number she put in "just happened" to be the right number to make it look as if no problem had occurred. Some "error"!

I know it's a hopeless cause, but a normal person would conclude that she intended to deceive.

If WA state has any respect for its citizens whatsoever, they will either charge her for fraud & take her to court, or they'll accept a plea bargain in exchange for the dirt on someone else.

Posted by: Bostonian on June 14, 2005 05:41 PM
38. While what Way did was fraud and it was intentional, everyone needs to understand that it was likely an act that was quietly supported by leadership in Elections. While she may not have been directly told to do it, management pressures likely equalled a direct order to achieve a specified outcome.

I know of a specific instance where King County employees were coersed to go along with a fraudulent analysis done in DOT. Unlike Way, these employees refused to succumb to the pressures and instead alleged criminal wrongdoing by colleagues and their management. Maybe it was because there were 5 of them to give each other support in their courageous resistance, and that may be the difference in their response to the pressure and Way's reaction to it. Their reward was retaliation, demotion, and even threats of layoff if they didn't go along with their "punishment". They were removed from the positions they held where they could most directly challenge the wrongdoing they were being pressured to support, and the wrongdoing now continues.

I believe that there are 3 kinds of people employed at the working level in King County. I say working level because I believe that King County, like other businesses, is overwhelmed with chiefs who do little but pressure the workforce to get the results they and the Executive want.

The first group includes people who are in it for the paycheck, raises, and promotions who don't give a rat's ass about who or what they're screwing. They take the easy path and give their management what they want. They voluntarily cross any line without any second thoughts. They are the bunch that eventually get promoted to lead others to the "dark side".

You have a second group of employees who try to act with integrity and honesty, but are constantly challenged by management who want a specific result no matter how it is obtained. The second category of people include people like Nicole Way who gave into that pressure and committed fraud, simply because she lacked the courage to stand up to the pressure and tell her management that ballots could not be reconciled and that King County had serious issues certifying the election. Had she done that, Elections would have found someone else to achieve the same result, and Way would have seen her career diverted somewhere less desirable.

The third group includes the individuals I mentioned in my comments above. When faced with committing fraud under the pressures from their management, or refusing, they chose to take the responsible and courageous path of standing up to management.

There may be a forth group, but I've not seen any specific cases that prove its existence. I know of several employees who quit King County, likely because they could not go along with what was happening, but didn't have the courage to expose it. Now in the private sector or working in some other government, they've kept their secrets, again helping King County to continue its standard operating procedures.

The fact that the courageous are punished instead of praised and rewarded speaks to the management culture in King County; one in which I believe only those lacking integrity and honesty are able to prevail. Bill Huennekens was simply scape-goated to suggest that Sims is going to do more than simply spend millions on a new Elections center. I honestly believe, though, that if Huennekens takes his punishment quietly, that he'll be rewarded in the future with a position in appreciation for his falling on his sword for the greater "bad" in King County.

Posted by: Mike on June 14, 2005 05:45 PM
39. How can a guy who presented a fraudulent and misleading ballot report now be put in charge of compliance with voting law??????

What is this, the UN???????

Posted by: Michele on June 14, 2005 05:47 PM
40. Whew. I feel so much better now that Bill Huennekens was moved to a new position.

I'm sure this will address every issue, the poor accounting, falsified documents, cultural issues, etc.

All we need now is a new building, a few more pats on the back to Nicole Way, etc. and my trust in KCREALS will be completely restored.

Posted by: Jeff B. on June 14, 2005 05:52 PM
41. Michele,

Don't confuse anything Sims or King County does with the responsible or proper thing to do. Their demotion of Huennekens is a public relations move and nothing else. Don't forget that Huennekens achieved the results that Sims and the Democrats wanted. They'd promote him with a raise if they could get away with it.

Everyone - don't make the mistake of applying your standards of integrity to leadership in King County. Don't look at King County's actions through your eyes and compare it to what you would have done. Integrity and King County politics don't mix, and have been headed in the wrong direction for a long time.

Posted by: Mike on June 14, 2005 05:53 PM
42. Regarding Nicole Way's testimony:

No, Nicole Way did not admit that she fraudulently prepared the Mail Ballot Report for the Nov. 2004 election on the stand.

She danced around the issue, as her Teamster-paid attorney had prepared her to do.

She also lied to Judge Bridges when he asked her, point blank, if she knew the Mail Ballot Report was inaccurate. She knew, in fact, that it was inaccurate, even if, by some bizarre leap, that the fabricated number of ballots received was correct, which was her rhetorical "out" suggested by her attorney to avoid committing perjury.

What her attorney didn't know, is that Ms. Way purposely left an entire line out of the Mail Ballot Report - the line where envelopes with no ballots inside are accounted for. This line appears for all other large eletions, but not this one. She knew that there had been a few dozen envelopes sent back to Elections with no ballots enclosed, as there always are with county-wide elections.

However, she did not have a number, and to go back, research this number, and place it in the appropriate location within the report would have required admitting to the Canvass Board that the other numbers were not reconciled, and so it was left off.

So, regardless of whether she and Mr. Fell's long-shot, lame-ass fabrication of some numbers fell at the far outer end of the bell curve, and magically happened to be the right number of total returned ballots, she knew that an entire category of ballots that would change the other numbers was missing from the report.

There was NO POSSIBILITY, given these two known inaccuracies on the report, that the numbers on the entirety of the report could be correct. Period. If one was conicidentally correct, then the other number was wrong, and vice versa, thus, logially, the report was in all instances incorrect.

Nicole Way knew this. She knew it when she fabricated the report, and she knew it when she lied on the stand. She was not new to preparing this report. She had been doing it for two years, and understood the importance reconciling, as she succinctly put it in an e-mail to other staff, the "FREAKIN' NUMBERS!!!!".

Ms. Way provably perjured herself on the stand.

Please stop with this "Nicole Way didn't admit to fraud" garbage. Instead, she committed perjury.

In keeping with the meme, you are embarrassing yourselves.

Posted by: Susan B. Anthony on June 14, 2005 05:55 PM
43. From the KC announcement:

As a project manager, Huennekens will oversee the purchase and implementation of disability access voting equipment for each of the county’s 500+ poll sites. Federal and state laws require the additional equipment to be in place in early 2006. Huennekens will also prepare and administer federal grants provided to fund local compliance with federal and state election reform measures.

Does this scare the crap out of anybody else? Huennekens is going to be in charge of federal grant money and voting equipment?! Talk about giving the fox the keys to the henhouse.

Posted by: steve_dog on June 14, 2005 06:42 PM
44. At the convention they were handing out bumper stickers.
"Don't rear-end me, Ron Sims already did."

My sticker sits right above another sticker

"David Irons for KC Executive"

and Shannon, you are absolutely right.

Posted by: chardonnay on June 14, 2005 06:47 PM
45. Oh My God!

Bill Huennekens will now be in charge of helping Blind Voters???? Is this a joke??

My husband and I both looked at each other when King 5 reported his "new" position!! Then we had one of those "WHAT"???? moments!!

He IS qualified - afterall - he is an expert in teaching Felons, Dead people and Illegal immigrants to vote.....the blind should be easy!


Posted by: Deborah on June 14, 2005 06:56 PM
46. Hey JDB, keep your apologies to yourself. Stefan, I would imagine, doesn't really need you, and your obtuse reasoning, to apologize for him.

As for me, I'm sorry you're still around here. Come back and play when you have a cogent thought.

Posted by: Danny on June 14, 2005 07:01 PM
47. A PSA Announcement:

Don't feed the trolls.

The trolls, like kids who spray graffiti, are sent here/drift here from places moveon, democratic underground, and that other guy's website to do one thing: Disrupt the flow of ideas.

One tactic they use is outright lying - "Nicole Way never did anything wrong", "Al Gore won the most votes in Florida", and so on. The objective is to derail the relevant discussion and get people to waste time addressing the troll's rantings.

A troll's digital sustenance consists entirely of replies to his/her bleatings. Clues to a troll's identity are bogus email addresses and posts devoid of any factual accuracy.

So remember: Don't feed the trolls. Send them back to the liberal hive mind hungry.

Posted by: steve_dog on June 14, 2005 07:04 PM
48. What wasn't reported was that Huennekins' job is scheduled to end in January!

Posted by: Elvis is the King County on June 14, 2005 07:20 PM
49. steve_dog - Amen. DNFTT is the official term.

Posted by: Dogbert on June 14, 2005 07:45 PM
50. Isn't Huennekins' new job pointless since King County is going to try to go to an all mail-in ballot?
These new machines will probably cost a couple million of our tax dollars and never be used.

Posted by: Brooks on June 14, 2005 07:48 PM
51. Elvis:

Huenneken's newly manufactured job is acually funded for 18 months.

HAVA requires certain steps in compliance to be in place by January, 2006. However, other additional steps will take the rest of the year to implement.

But the entire situation is ridiculous: HAVA manadates some changes, just as the NVRA in 1993 mandated changes, and annual changes to state election laws do.

Each of those sets of changes were implemented by parceling out the tasks to the appropriate supervisor for the areas affected. Thus, the people actaually tasked with executing the change were involved from the start and could properly advise as to potential pitfalls and best practices in implementation.

Having a "HAVA" coordinator seperate from the on-the-ground staff, even if it wasn't Huennekens, is just another way to ensure that the communication in the office degenerates even more...

Coming up with this idea... Ron Sims and Dean Logan have got to be the worst managers ever to draw a six figure taxpayer funded paycheck. Good Grief.

Posted by: Susan B. Anthony on June 14, 2005 07:48 PM
52. What a complete joke - the absentee ballot system/process was set up for disabled/elderly/handicapped people who have trouble getting to the polls -- and people who are legitimently out of the area -- over the last twenty years or so it has been systematically perverted to make it easier and easier - more convenient to vote -- there is no way that handicapped voting provisions need to be installed at any polling place -- the Bolshevic SOB's are doing everything they can to disrupt the proper and traditional ideas/attitudes/and procedures that have brought this country along -- Their motor voter BS - get out the vote BS - moveon voter drives (like scrap drives) - registering at the county buildings - all mail-in voting - at the same time requiring all the counties in the country to install handicapped voting facilities - straight out of Animal Farm and 1984 -- crap - all crap

The first election I remember was 1952 and during the afternoon I can remember my mother getting ready to go vote -- I thought she was getting ready to go to church --

The internal enemies of the US - make no mistake - they are here and are extremely active -- and have been largely successful -- they got scared a wee widdle bit with Nixon's "silent majority" phrase and got rocked a lot with Reagan but were still able to keep control of US congress and able to continue their domestic CRAP while Ronnie was busy cleaning up after Mr peanut and saving the whole damn world from the Rooskies -- yo trolls >> ASK ANY EASTERN EUROPEAN THAT GOT OUT IN THE LAST 50 or so YEARS ABOUT THAT!!! if ya need clarification > IF you can handle it -- the truth that is - unlikely -- OH yeh - don't pull up some scumbag bastard like SOROS -- I am talking about real people -- not the elete 'RATS that don't give a damn about where they are from OR where they currently are enjoying a land of milk and honey

The internal bolshevics are and have been screwing with our election system for the last 20 yrs or so -- bottom line is that their external allies are dwindling -- they lost MOTHA Russia and Eastern Europe and have been reduced to kissing Castro and No. Korea's butts -- although new allies seem to be surfacing in the EU and the UN - but those crap piles appear to be washing away in the wake of scandel investigations and votes by France (THE PEOPLE OF FRANCE -- THAT IS) and the Neatherlands -- getting a little lonelier out there for the Bolshevics/socialists these days and they are in a slow (subdued) camoflaged panic mode -- they are being hemmed in and starting to realize that they are being cornered - watch out - they will be very dangerous in the next few elections

THEY ARE NOW SO FAR DOWN THAT THEY ARE CHEERING ALONG THE TERRORISTS AND THE INSURGENTS IN IRAQ -- if you question that statement - pay attention for a while - any while - any few days of the incessent crap that has spewed out of the democRATS in congress over the last 3+ years

The most important thing to keep in mind here is that the specifics in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution flew TOTALLY in the face of ALL of the existing power structures that existed at that time and most of these power structures and/or disguised forms of them still exist -- this includes ALL of the major religions of the WORLD, all of the royal families and their power structures -- AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS EVOLVED AND/OR DEVELOPED SINCE - sure a lot of countries have adopted some sort of constitution that kinda/sorta reads like the US' -- most are just imitations -- 'ell just go 150 miles north of here (Seattle) and you will be surrounded by 'subjects' -- just rhetoric you say??? - get stuffed

KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN WE DECLARED INDEPENDENCE FROM BRITAIN -- WE WERE ACTUALLY DECLARING IDEPENDENCE FROM THE WHOLE WORLD -- OF COURSE MODERN REALITY REQUIRES THIS INDEPENDENCE TO BE OF A POLITICAL NATURE ONLY -- now keep this in mind -- the founders not only declared independence from their ancestral and ethnic homeland -- THEY PHYSICALLY FOUGHT THEM OFF -- many other ethnic groups over the years have done the same in one way or another -- some individuals have not

Posted by: Bill on June 14, 2005 11:12 PM
53. Bill ~

Whew, that was quite a post!

"crap - all crap".

I completely agree. America is being subtly and systematical undermined.

If you doubt this, ask a collage student what they "feel" about Communism. If they don't say "Communism has its good points.", they weren't properly "educated".

Posted by: Splatter on June 15, 2005 01:41 AM
54. said Sims. “He has contributed to the improvement of elections administration in King County – and this appointment will allow the County to continue to reap the benefits of his expertise as we face the mounting workload associated with election reform.”

So in otherwords they want him tommake sure he doesnt implement the things that will damage the Rats plans to defraud us in the next election.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on June 15, 2005 07:05 AM
55. Only in the public sector can you knowlingly submit a falsified report, oversee a failed project that completely undermined the public confidence in your department AND still keep your job.

Posted by: Palouse on June 15, 2005 08:16 AM
56. Mr Cynical, please don't insult Don King by comparing him to Ron Sims. (After all, uncle Don is a registered Republican!). Say what you will about Mr. King, the guy is wildly successful, did it without public money, and made others rich while he was at it. Ron Sims does EVERYTHING with public money and makes us POOR while he's at it.

Posted by: Scott C on June 15, 2005 08:16 AM
57. Ya notice the loyal liars get things like re-assignment but the ones that stand for truth get released from public sector? Kind of like being suspended with pay pending investigation. Amazing. No wonder the public sector is such desired employment for socialists.

Posted by: PC on June 15, 2005 08:18 AM
58. "Say what you will about Mr. King"

Don King has entertainment value. Ron Sims' policies are so outrageous they are laughable. Advantage: King

Don King was largely responsible for the popularity of boxing through the 70's and 80's. Ron Sims is largely responsible for the popularity of bike trails. Advantage: King.

Don King is a very rich man who made his money by taking advantage of the fighters he promoted. Ron Sims is a rich man who made his money by paying off his special interest groups with our money. Advantage: Sims

Don King got away with murder. Ron Sims got away with a fraudelent election. Advantage: King

So when you break it down scientifically, Don King is still well....the King.

Posted by: Palouse on June 15, 2005 08:24 AM
59. How about "Director of Home Training?"

Is that a "HAVA" position or did Dean Logan say to us, "Voters--Here--HAVA Incompetent with my compliments."

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on June 15, 2005 09:48 AM
60. Scott C and Palouse--

I wasn't referring to my legendary hero Don King!

I was referring to the Mafia Boss, Don Ron and added the fact that Sims is the "Don Ron" of KING County!!


Posted by: Mr. Cynical on June 15, 2005 10:02 AM
61. Since you won't listen to me, perhaps you will listen to Mr. Sharkansky (quoting from his post above):

"2:29:15 Durkan: So the only thing your method didn't account for is if somewhere in the process, ballots weren't handled according to your instructions and established procedures, correct?
Way: Correct.

"3:27:22 Bridges: other than that 95 ballots that you found subsequently, is this number right? or was it right to the best of your knowledge as of November 2nd?
3:27:34 Way: when we filled out this report, to the best of my knowledge, that number was right.

"3:36:00 Durkan: so you used the best number you could, is that right?
Way: yes.
Durkan: and you used it using numbers you thought were the best numbers you had?
Way: yes."

So, lets get it straight. Ms. Way did not say she fabricated anything. She did not say she comitted fraud. She said she used the best number she had, and she thought it was correct.

You may infer that she is lying. I cannot help what you think. But I will note that a conservative judge in a conservative county found that there was no fraud, and that no one attemtped to take votes from one canidate or give them to another.

There was no fraud. This cannot be argued with at this point.

Posted by: JDB on June 15, 2005 03:39 PM
62. JDB - You are wrong.

Fraud was not proven. There may have been fraud, but the Reps' attorneys failed to prove it to the satisfaction of Judge Bridges.

Fraud absolutely can, and will, be argued, until this matter is resolved.

Posted by: ewaggin on June 15, 2005 05:37 PM
63. ewaggin:

You are right, fraud was not proven. That puts you ahead of most of your compatriots here who think it was.

You can argue over anything you want if you want. You can argue that Bill Clinton is a space alien, and probably get many a sympathetic ear here. However, the matter has been resolved, but a conservative judge in Chelan County. You get one bite at the apple. If there really was some evidence of fraud, don't you think that for four million dollars the GOP would have put it in front of the judge? However, as Judge Bridges said, there is no evidence of fraud, or of votes being changed or added or subtracted from either canidate. Those are the facts, the rest is spin.

Posted by: JDB on June 16, 2005 01:52 PM
64. JDB--
A smelly diaper is a fact. No need to prove exactly how it got that way. Only requirement is to clean it up. "The rest is spin" is a simplistic denial of the smell of the (elections) diaper. Use some common sense. The system is corrupt, or at least too easily manipulated. It needs a diaper change. And the caregivers (election officials) who let that diaper get so smelly for so long need to be fired.

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on June 16, 2005 08:01 PM
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