1. If Bridges voids the election on Monday, what exactly happens? Is Gregoire out of office pending reinstatement on appeal to the state supreme court, or does she stay in office until the appeal is heard?

Posted by: Mike on June 2, 2005 12:20 PM

2. Well, June 6 was always known as "D-Day". This time, the "D" will either mean "Decision" or "Democrat" -- or perhaps both.

Hope you get there early on Monday. They will probably have a line for the available seats. It may be in an auditorium, but I think a lot of people will come to see the final decision.

Posted by: Richard Pope on June 2, 2005 12:22 PM

3. Richard -

I've missed seeing your comments in recent days. It has always been interesting to read your them. I'm curious to know what your take is on this, at this point.

Posted by: Orange Robyn on June 2, 2005 12:24 PM

4. Stefan:

"I will be in the audience in Wenatchee tomorrow and possibly Monday."

Listen carefully when you are there. Your work has just begun.

Posted by: Ken Muller on June 2, 2005 12:25 PM

5. I gotta beleive she stays until the SC upholds a decision to void the election.

Posted by: Dave on June 2, 2005 12:27 PM

6. I think that if Judge sets aside the election, it will have to be with respect only to the governor's race, and as of the time the order takes effect, the certification of the result of that race would be voided. The Lieutenant Governor would then be governor until either another election is held or the SC reverses the trial judge.

However, I assume J. Bridges could address the issue specifically and make his order effective at a later date, or the dems could file a petition to the SC for an injuction suspending the order until the case is reviewed.

Posted by: srogers on June 2, 2005 12:42 PM

7. I tend to believe that even if the final outcome is that the election gets overturned (and the state supreme court trial is over as well), she still wouldn't leave, and someone will have to drag her away, kicking and screaming like a two-year old during a tantrum.

Definitely worth the drive down to Olympia to see! Anyone want to carpool? :)

Posted by: Scott on June 2, 2005 12:46 PM

8. CG (aka The Tax Queen) was on TVW speaking to Washington State Association of School Principals, I think. (As someone posted in a different thread: Is it live or is it Memorex?) What Washington does she live in? From her speech, I would say it isn't the same one I live in. She ended with something like "Hold on, the best is yet to come." I pray she is right on that point, otherwise it will be "just try to hold on to your money, if you can."

Posted by: otto on June 2, 2005 12:48 PM

9. Stefan, good luck and I am praying that you are correct and that if Judge Bridges doesn't invalidate the election that maybe you can help the appeal process.

Thanks for all you do!

Posted by: sgmmac on June 2, 2005 12:49 PM

10. CG on TVW during the lunch break Yuck!

Posted by: Terry Clark C on June 2, 2005 12:49 PM

11. I think the Reps would be wise to ask that CG stay in office until the SC reveiws the decision. Otherwise the Dems could use up a lot of time just appealing her removal prior to the SC review of the case.

Posted by: Dave on June 2, 2005 12:52 PM

12. CG is supposed to travel to Europe it think next week, that's one way to avoid the press...
and mabe China will give her a job?

Posted by: Terry Clark C on June 2, 2005 12:54 PM

13. Have to believe that the order invalidating the election and tossing that would be effective at the time of issueance. The appeal would go straight to Thurston County on an expedited basis, witht he first request being a stay/injunction on the order, pending appeal.

And, being Thurston County, it would automatically be granted, I am sure.

So, what do we think, group? We make our case to a larger extent that they made theirs? We in a strong position where reasonable people would come to the conclusion that this election certification is invalid?

Posted by: Patches Pal on June 2, 2005 01:04 PM

14. So far the Democrat strategy seems to be "the dog ate my homework", a strategy seemingly hatched by the mind of the infamous "Eddie Haskel" from "Leave it to Beaver". "Errors in the vote count? What errors? Those are just the meaningless scratches of tired election workers Mrs. Cleaver".
Proving once again the Democrat party is a party of immature teenagers who don't give a !@#$%^ about the rules.

Posted by: Scott C on June 2, 2005 01:09 PM

15. OT

I am thankful for one thing: that we don't have it quite as bad as the folks in East St. Louis. Check out this story of voter fraud currently under investigation:

ESL Makes Voter Fraud a Business

Why is it that so many of these "alleged" occurances of fraud are mostly instigated by Democrats? When the local MSM is actually reporting these stories, the number of instances still skew to the Democrats as the perps. They can't even find enough instances of fraud perpetrated by the Republican party to investigate and trumpet to the masses.

Posted by: JRR on June 2, 2005 01:09 PM

16. A reasonable person would conclude its invalid, but reasonable opinions and legal ones don't always agree. I think they have clearly shown that there is no certainty as to who won.

Posted by: Dave on June 2, 2005 01:16 PM

17. Maybe we need a revote or revolt rally in Olympia outside of the Washington State Supreme Court Building on the first day of the appeal trial!

Posted by: sgmmac on June 2, 2005 01:17 PM

18. I have read postings here for several days. Have read postings at horsesass.org for just as many...
It is refreshing that here at SP.com there is mostly intelligent discussions, mixed with light humor. Stefan is honorable as I find most Conservatives to be. Goldy & his lib blog is just typical mean spirited, hateful, mostly senseless dribble...and from the party of love and inclusion. I am embarassed to admit I used to be one too. God bless the "right-minded"...God help the others...

Posted by: On_The_Right on June 2, 2005 01:17 PM

19. On the Right
Don't feel bad, lots of us were too. Wonder what the numbers are for liberals turned conservative vs. conservatives turned liberal?

Posted by: kathy on June 2, 2005 01:24 PM

20. I would say many more have converted to the right...More Americans voted this past November than ever before, and lookie who's Prez ;-)) Thanks Kathy.

Posted by: On_the_Right on June 2, 2005 01:29 PM

21. Where did Handy get those glasses, they must allow for periferal vision similar to that of a myopic worm.

Posted by: JDH on June 2, 2005 01:29 PM

22. Couple of comments:

Beaker from the Muppets = Handy

I believe (in my non-legal mind) that if the Rossi wins, the 2004 governor's race is vacated. The Lt. Gov. then takes office pending a new election.

However, Bridges can rule for Rossi and then stay his decision pending Supreme Court review or CG can appeal for a stay from either Brdges or the SC.

If CG wins then she stays in office pending a Rossis appeal. If the SC doesn't accept the appeal that's it.

If CG wins and the SC accepts the appeal then Rossi will probably win as appeals are accpeted usually when there is an error by the trial judge.

That's my 2 cents

Posted by: Grey on June 2, 2005 01:52 PM

23. Nick Handy,

Deer in headlights!

Posted by: fRedinKingCounty on June 2, 2005 01:59 PM

24. What's the deal with the 'Rat prof who claims that proportional deduction has no scientific pedigree? If the "errors" in the election (i.e., the illegal votes) were randomly distributed amongst the candidates, then proportional deduction must be statistically valid. This can easily be proven by computer simulation. Sure, there will be error associated with the statistical estimation, but the degree of error can be estimated by computer simulation, too. If the "errors" were not distributed randomly (e.g., if there was indeed stuffing of ballot boxes for Fraudoire), then proportional deduction would underestimate Rossi's final vote total and overestimate Fraudoire's. The opposite would be true if there was ballot box stuffing for Rossi. But, I've heard no one allege the latter.

Posted by: Far Star on June 2, 2005 02:11 PM

25. Stefan--
In that picture of Nixon Handy, he looks mysteriously like the RUNAWAY BRIDE (especially in her eyes). Perhaps that bug-eyed look is typical of folks who lie to authorities!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on June 2, 2005 02:45 PM

26. Unfortunately, the "LOOK HOW SILLY THESE PHOTOS ARE" line of reasoning won't enable Rossi to play Governor.

Posted by: The_Gent on June 2, 2005 03:27 PM

27. No, but ya gotta admit that it's nicer than beatin the stuffins outta ya.......

Posted by: alphabet soup on June 2, 2005 03:36 PM

28. The_Gent:

On the other hand, the specious reasoning of you and your Democratic ilk won't be garnering any new voters to your camp.

Look at it this way - Washington is now a battleground. It used to be a safe, secure blue state. Now it where things are 50-50! We have a Republican AG and SOS, and we elected a Republican Governor!! :)

The country is far more red than blue. More people identify themselves as Republicans for the first time in decades - and the same is true of college students, believe it or not!

So even if you win this battle, you're losing the war, and the battle lines are now in Washington, Wisconsin, Hawaii, and other states that used to be solidly blue. All the while the 'battleground states' like Florida and Ohio are red, red, oh so red!

Posted by: Larry on June 2, 2005 03:45 PM

29. Larry,

Republicans won the popular vote for presidency for the first time in 4 chances...by a margin of 3%.

I don't think I'd be beating the death drums for Democrats quite yet.

Posted by: The_Gent on June 2, 2005 04:08 PM

30. There's no need for a "death drum" when the din from their "death rattle" is deafening ;'}

Posted by: alphabet soup on June 2, 2005 04:17 PM

31. The_Gent,

That's because you're on that side. I see you didn't argue the fact that there are now more Republicans, young and old, than Democrats. Quite telling.

Please tell me the most recent Democratic President to receive a majority of the vote.

Please tell me the last time the Democrats gained seats in the House and Senate in an off-year election.

I'm not beating the death drums. But I'll be dancing like a Deadhead when they start playing.

I'm relatively young, in my lifetime there have been two Democratic Presidents. History will not be kind to them. When the tide last turned to the Democrats, it lasted 60 years. It could be 60 loooonnnnng years for liberals now.

Peace,

Posted by: Larry on June 2, 2005 04:21 PM

32. Suppose this happens:
1. Gregoire resigns.
2. Lt. Gov takes over as Governor.
3. New Governor (or whatever system is used to create a Lt. Gov) appoints Gregoire as Lt. Gov.
4. New Governor resigns, making Gregoire. the "legal" Governor.

Posted by: steve matlock on June 2, 2005 04:45 PM

33. I didn't argue the 'assertion' that there are more Republicans than Democrats, because I do not believe that it is fact. I don't believe in unicorns either, nor do I 'argue' their validity.

You think history will be kinder to George W. Bush than it will be for Clinton?

If approval ratings are any indication, your boy might get a paragraph...and in that paragraph it'll say somewhere that he doubled the deficit by the end of his two terms.

Posted by: The_Gent on June 2, 2005 04:56 PM

34. Clinton who?

Oh, you mean the reggae dude?

Posted by: alphabet soup on June 2, 2005 06:03 PM

35. A brief history on the political affiliation of Washington Governors going back to 1853 Washington Terrority:

16 Democrat Governors
2 no affiliation listed
21 Republicans Governors
(22 including Dino Rossi)

Interesting that there is no Governor listed after Gary Locke on the Secretary of State website of past Washington Governors.

Posted by: cc on June 2, 2005 06:09 PM

36. "Territory"

Posted by: cc on June 2, 2005 06:24 PM

37. Interesting to note that a CURRENT Washington Governor is not listed among the PAST Washington Governors? Golly, I don't know how to explain that one to you...

You could list Rossi as a PAST Washington challenger for the office, though. Keep your chin up.

Posted by: The_Gent on June 2, 2005 10:02 PM

38. Patience grunt.

All in due time......

Posted by: alphabet soup on June 3, 2005 06:38 AM

39. HA! Handy looks like a gimp in that picture!

Deer in headlights? Yep. Mack Truck lights.

Posted by: Big M on June 3, 2005 08:31 AM

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