May 25, 2005
NO, we didn't always do it that way

Durkan objected to Korrell's redirect on the Mail Ballot Report. Judge Bridges not only overruled the objection but thought the Mail Ballot Report was important enough that he insisted on interrogating Way from the bench.

The most significant new revelation [exact words]:

Bridges: Had you prepared mail ballot reports before this general election last fall?
Way: yes
Bridges: Did you use the same method to do that?
Way: Before we had a report that said how many ballots had been issued and how many voters had been credited with voting and then we compared that to how many ballots we tabulated and the handcount of the ballots that we did not count and we had a daily count of how many ballots we received. So we compared it with a number of different reports that we had reports that we verified our numbers against.

Ouch. That directly contradicts Dean Logan, whose spokeswoman made this excuse for the fraudulent mail ballot report

"Bobbie Egan said that ballot reports have always been created that way and that there was no falsification."
Bridges went on to ask whose idea it was to install a new computer system right before the general election.
Way: not mine (laughter all around).

Hey, installing the new computer system was one of Dean Logan's greatest accomplishments!

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at May 25, 2005 02:31 PM | Email This
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1. BUSTED!

FRADU! FRAUD! FRAUD!

Posted by: pbj on May 25, 2005 02:33 PM
2. Has anyone seen David Postman's latest dispatch?! "Judge concerned about attorneys" tells how the Judge asked if the attorney's have been getting enough sleep! And there is only a quote from a Republican lawyer as if the Reps aren't quite up to par. Talk about diversion.

Posted by: Shannon on May 25, 2005 02:37 PM
3. When the judge questions from the bench it's a good sign that he is tired of the loopy circles being played by the side he interupts.

And this is only the beginning!

Posted by: Victor on May 25, 2005 02:38 PM
4. Now, pbj, becareful - you don't want to get Schram foamin at the mouth, again.

Posted by: Editor on May 25, 2005 02:38 PM
5. WOW. I felt the tremor from those comments by Bridges in Wenatchee all the way down here in Downtown Tacoma.

Posted by: Jeff B. on May 25, 2005 02:48 PM
6. If the computer system is Logan's biggest accomplishment, let's hope we don't have to keep him around for a failure! (note: they don't claim the mess of an election was a failure either)

Jeff B - I'm out of the country and felt the tremor! Is Logan on suicide watch?

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on May 25, 2005 02:53 PM
7. Is anyone live - blogging this trial?

Posted by: Good Captain on May 25, 2005 02:54 PM
8. Yeah Captian - David Postman, one of our "objective" Seattle reporters is there, trying to shine the trial in a good light for his party.

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on May 25, 2005 02:56 PM
9. It's also kinda funny to note that after Bridges asked her WHOSE idea it was to install the new computer system before the general election, she had a MAJOR DEER IN HEADLIGHTS 'OH MAN WHAT DO I SAY NOW' look on her face for several seconds before giving that priceless answer.

Posted by: Michele on May 25, 2005 02:58 PM
10. Oh great. TVW dumps me at just the moment Korrell is about the ask Way about the ballot report for the final time... and I didn't see what happened. Please fill me in.

I guess I'd like to know why Korrell just didn't ask if the ballot report was falsified. Why hem and haw around the topic. They got Way to admit the number on line 2 wasn't accurate, but why not get her to admit it was purposely falsified.

Posted by: Tucker on May 25, 2005 03:03 PM
11. The tide turns. After three days, Bridges actually sustains an objection!

Posted by: Patches Pal on May 25, 2005 03:05 PM
12. the defense is really afraid of this guy.

Posted by: Andy on May 25, 2005 03:05 PM
13. Is David Postman watching the same trial that I am?

Posted by: MIMike on May 25, 2005 03:06 PM
14. Tucker - they can't do that. You never ask a witness a question when you don't know how she will answer. Way has been confused by Logan et al and she might have said "no" because she probably really thinks it wasn't "falsified."

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on May 25, 2005 03:07 PM
15. The beginning of the end, they cannot recover from this little jem:

After asking a series of detailed questions about problems King County faced in tracking ballots, Bridges said to Way, "I guess I have to ask who's idea was it to install this new computer software program right before this general election?"

Way didn't answer immediately.

"It's OK, you can say," Bridges told her.

Way: "Not mine."

Bridges: "Does counsel have any other questions?"

Way: "Please, no."

Posted by: JDH on May 25, 2005 03:13 PM
16. Now we get to hear Stefan rip Goldstein to shreds on KVI. It's going to be really interesting to see Goldstein try and defend Way's testimony from today.

I mean, c'mon, the woman was directly involved, and she has no idea what happened with the ballots.

The only defense is one of incompetence. That might help these some of these dolts avoid criminal charges, but it certainly doesn't excuse them from the law which requires them to accurately submit and verify the results of the tablulation as they present them for certification. And they knowingly acted in concert to submit a fraudulent mail ballot report.

http://www.leg.wa.gov/RCW/index.cfm?section=29A.60.200&fuseaction=section

Posted by: Jeff B. on May 25, 2005 03:13 PM
17. Goldy has nothing...

Posted by: Editor on May 25, 2005 03:20 PM
18. Felt the tremors over here in Japan. My wife and I are listening and were amazed at what Way was admitting in her testimony.

By the way, the audio feed cut out on us as the current witness is testifying about the data sets he created, but we did hear that the data sets compiled by the Democrats were skewed with more Rossi precincts, whereas the Republicans data sets were a more even distribution.

Posted by: JRR on May 25, 2005 03:21 PM
19. Seeing as they felt the need to include this paragraph, which adds nothing to today's piece, KOMO has just called the fight.

'The decision from the judge in Wenatchee is expected to be appealed to the state Supreme Court.'

Posted by: JDH on May 25, 2005 03:21 PM
20. TVW just crashed!

Posted by: Dogbert on May 25, 2005 03:22 PM
21. ditto Kiro

'The decision from the judge in Wenatchee is expected to be appealed to the state Supreme Court.'

Posted by: JDH on May 25, 2005 03:24 PM
22. Stefan 1, Goldy 0.

Goldy made some good points, but the reason why polls show the majority of Washingtonians against Goldy's views is that it's just not credible to have counted some ballots and not others and call the result deterministic.

Posted by: Jeff B. on May 25, 2005 03:25 PM
23. You think crashed? Sure it wasn't Gregoire shutting it down? ha ha

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on May 25, 2005 03:27 PM
24. How come all this crap always happens in heavily Democratic counties? What are they, STUPID?!? Come on people, I thought the red states were St0op1d....

Posted by: Rich on May 25, 2005 03:27 PM
25. What I have witnessed today is analogous to a roundhouse right to the jaw by the challenger that has the Champion reeling. What I expect the media to portray it as is the champion taking a low blow after the bell and if he should loose they will challenge the result.

Posted by: JDH on May 25, 2005 03:33 PM
26. Dang it! I get TVW video but not the audio!

..OK - it finally came back!

As bad as the Democats are getting pounded today...if they could have taken TVW down..they definitely WOULD have!

Posted by: Deborah on May 25, 2005 03:49 PM
27. they are really afraid of this non-expert witness.

trying to nail the elephant back on lots of BS technicalities.

Posted by: Andy on May 25, 2005 03:51 PM
28. overruled, overruled, overruled - this judge means business - this wittness will be heard despite these ridiculous objections. what are the dems so afraid of?

Posted by: nathan on May 25, 2005 03:57 PM
29. This could be a state record of the number of objections over ruled in a 5 minute period.

Posted by: andy on May 25, 2005 03:57 PM
30. the truth.

Posted by: Andy on May 25, 2005 03:58 PM
31. Geez... these f'ing Dem lawyers are objecting to nearly *everything* now.

Posted by: Tucker on May 25, 2005 03:59 PM
32. Sucks to be them, and I am ROTFLMAO. Regardless of the verdict here they cannot recover in the 'court of public opinion.'

Posted by: JDH on May 25, 2005 04:01 PM
33. OBJECTION!!

He can't know anything about the 96 ballots we hid---- otherwise you would have found the other 1000 ballots we hid.

Posted by: Andy on May 25, 2005 04:03 PM
34. Gosh! I think they've found the smoking bong -- uh, gun. I meant gun . . .

Posted by: starboardhelm on May 25, 2005 04:09 PM
35. AHHH! the scattergram shows fraud by precincts.

The donkeys should be very scared!

Posted by: Andy on May 25, 2005 04:10 PM
36. This is some of the most exciting courtroom drama I've seen in a while. Gee, I wish they'd put Boston Legal back on the air...

Denny Crane

Posted by: Snake on May 25, 2005 04:20 PM
37. What am I missing while I work? Okay, time to turn TVW back on...

Posted by: Editor on May 25, 2005 04:22 PM
38. NOT MINE!!!
priceless. ADD that line to the already long list of election lines forever engrained in WA politics. "count every vote" not! "good home training" etc. Not mine. hilarious.

Posted by: chardonnay on May 25, 2005 04:26 PM
39. Basically the Republicans are trying to point out that where the "error" took place, where it was a Gregoire stronghold and there were more votes then voters it benefited Gregoire. Where there were missing votes they mainly from Rossi strongholds and again it benefited Gregoire.

Go figure, all the errors leaned in the same direction.

Posted by: Snake on May 25, 2005 04:26 PM
40. If tomorrow's butt kicking has the same delta from today's as today's from yesterday's... the donkey is going to get beat like a rented mule for the rest of the week.

Posted by: Andy on May 25, 2005 04:39 PM
41. So, does anyone else thing that Bridges is getting a tad upset at all the objections?

Posted by: Snake on May 25, 2005 04:41 PM
42. Yes, Snake; some coincidence, huh????

Let's just SAY it: Democrat vote/election fraud

Posted by: Michele on May 25, 2005 04:45 PM
43. Yes, whew, it's not just me. The "just me" thing happens a lot so it's worth asking.

Posted by: Snake on May 25, 2005 04:47 PM
44. All these objections remind me of an episode of M*A*S*H where Maj. Winchester was representing Klinger and he kept objecting to very valid evidence. Then, he sputtered something in Latin to object. It meant "Take two asprin". Finally, he threw himself at the judges saying, "Please think of my reputation!!! Find my client innocent!" hehehe

Posted by: Tim R on May 25, 2005 04:51 PM
45. Like I said earlier, Durkan is trying to get the judge upset, hoping he will make a bad move, so she can get his decision thrown out on a technicality on appeal.

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on May 25, 2005 05:00 PM
46. "Durkan is trying to get the judge upset"

I've known, and known of, Judge Bridges for close to 15 years. Ain't gonna happen.

Hang your hat on a different tact, Jenny.

Posted by: jimg on May 25, 2005 05:06 PM
47. Can't say I've known him for 15 years, but Bridges doesn't seem all that flappable to me.

However, another tactic is to make it seem in the transcipt on appeal that Bridges was always overruling the Durkan and company.

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on May 25, 2005 05:29 PM
48. I'm not sure Iguana, does it necessarily follow that a higher volume of objections yields grounds for an appeal? I'd like to think that the grounds would have to exist regardless of the number of times they object.

Posted by: Danny on May 25, 2005 05:38 PM
49. No, I don't think that the number of objections has anything to do with being able to appeal.

I think that when Bridges decision to throw out the election is appealed, though, Durkan will point out how Bridges was always overruling every one of her objections.

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on May 25, 2005 05:40 PM
50. It's not the number of objections, it's the number of objections overturned on one side v.s. the other. Of course, the main reason for objection to evidence admitted to the record is that the supremes can't review what isn't on the record. Bridges is determining what the supremes can review.

Posted by: Dogbert on May 25, 2005 05:43 PM
51. After listening to the last witness today, I got lost on the distinction between voters credited and the crediting process (which the judge has already ruled against).

Can anyone shed light on the distinction?

Thanks.

Posted by: Jack on May 25, 2005 05:49 PM
52. Wow!
Today was a blast!!

I noticed the Dems were so ruffled over this expert witness - they asked the Judge to end todays session early! (so they could have the night to prepare cross-examination??)

Yes - The Democrats definitely DO NOT want these witness numbers crunched down to specific precincts....heh.. I have a feeling that a lot more revelations can be found on a *precinct* level...

Posted by: Deborah on May 25, 2005 05:50 PM
53. Pure drama today! Nothing better on TV.

It is patently obvious that even $2 million can't make a purse from a sow's ear.

Posted by: handy nick on May 25, 2005 05:57 PM
54. Pure drama today! Nothing better on TV.

It is patently obvious that even $2 million can't make a purse from a sow's ear.

Posted by: handy nick on May 25, 2005 05:57 PM
55. Pure drama today! Nothing better on TV.

It is patently obvious that even $2 million can't make a purse from a sow's ear.

Posted by: handy nick on May 25, 2005 05:57 PM
56. Pure drama today! Nothing better on TV.

It is patently obvious that even $2 million can't make a purse from a sow's ear.

Posted by: handy nick on May 25, 2005 05:57 PM
57. Pure drama today! Nothing better on TV.

It is patently obvious that even $2 million can't make a purse from a sow's ear.

Posted by: handy nick on May 25, 2005 05:57 PM
58. Hey nick...wait for the beep.

Posted by: Danny on May 25, 2005 06:01 PM
59. We heard you, handy nick! 10-4.

Posted by: Dogbert on May 25, 2005 06:03 PM
60. This is an outrage !

Posted by: Philip Vago on May 25, 2005 06:07 PM
61. Handy Nick's not so handy with the post button.

Reminds me of Durkan ....

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on May 25, 2005 07:00 PM
62. Well, Snake, what I meant was it's no coincidence that there were more ballots than voters in heavy Gregoire precincts and fewer ballots than voters in heavy Rossi precincts.

Fraud!

Posted by: Michele on May 25, 2005 07:20 PM
63. I am down in the Sacramento area, California for the Seattle learned people. What is the best feed for this trial. TV? keeps quitting. Please give out a better source for watching on hi-speed. I can't believe I was born and raised in that hick town with all of the commies,socialists and Anti-American people. I will never go up there again, even when my relatives die. I went to Ballard Hi and graduated from Shoreline.

Posted by: Howard on May 25, 2005 07:43 PM
64. The scary part is that the people who counted the votes make no attempt to conceal their obvious bias against the Republicans and the voters. They are so sure that they are in control that they are not even worried that they will be held accountable. They know that all they have to do follow the script, lie and they will always have a job with the Democrats. I wonder how many open positions are being created on "Baghdad" Jim's and Patty "Bin Laden is our friend" Murray’s staff for these morally bankrupt cretins.

Posted by: Glenn on May 25, 2005 07:45 PM
65. Hey, Howard! Should we ask Bob Dornan about how much better run the elections are down there? ;o)

Posted by: Scott in Carnation on May 25, 2005 07:48 PM
66. Hey, Scott in Carnation, he was a rep. and running for senate. He was not running to head a so called state like yours. And please use better English. Oh, I am so sorry, you learned your English up there. Caps. left out on purpose.
This state(ca) has been blue, probably before you were born. I also lived in las vegas, nv for 20 years. I can't believe they put in "hairy" reid!!

Posted by: Howard on May 25, 2005 08:17 PM
67. Jack at May 25, 2005 05:49 PM --

You asked:
After listening to the last witness today, I got lost on the distinction between voters credited and the crediting process (which the judge has already ruled against).

Can anyone shed light on the distinction?

The judge made a limited ruling (I think it was on May 2). He decided that the GOP had to use the original poll books and the original absentee or provisional ballot envelopes to prove that an alleged felon actually voted.

Voters at the polls are credited with participating in the election by a notation made in the poll books on election day. Prior to certification, that information is put into the computerized data base by scanning bar codes next to those notations. The people doing the scanning for King County couldn't manage to do that simple task without making zillions of errors -- scanning the wrong bar code, thus making it appear in the data base that one person was issued a ballot when in fact the person whose name was above or below that person's line in the book was the real voter.

Just one more piece of garbage in the "model election" conducted by King County.

The absentee voters and provisional voters (who didn't break the law by sticking their provisional ballots straight into the ballot boxes via the Accuvote vote-counting machines) were credited directly in the computer data base at the instant their ballots were accepted as valid. Thus, there was not really a good reason to go look for the envelopes, but that's what the judge wanted. He was misled into believing that "voter crediting is a post-election administrative process that has nothing to do with the authenticity of the election." It's not a post-election process, and it does have everything to do with the authenticity of the election results. Without it, there's no way to know if people voted more than once or if ballots were stuffed into the boxes or stolen from them.

The process of crediting voters is the only way to get a count of the total who were recorded as having cast ballots.

So, when talking about total numbers rather than one particular alleged felon, the judge apparently will accept the records showing how many were credited with voting. (If he decides not to, then someone will have to go through all those poll books again to count them, and someone will have to go through all those envelopes again to verify that the ballot that was once in each one should have been accepted. The fact that an envelope is now among the empties, indicating that the ballot in it was sent through the vote counting process, is meaningless. If the computer record isn't good enough to show how many should have been counted, then you have to start at square one and verify each postmark and signature all over again -- and get people who know what they are doing and care to do it right, so you don't get another mess. If you simply count the empty envelopes, all you will find is the apparent total number sent through the vote count -- but you won't know if some rejected ballots were nevertheless taken out of their envelopes and sent through the vote counting process. Any volunteers?)

Posted by: Micajah on May 25, 2005 08:25 PM
68. Micajah, can the judge be righted about the crediting of voters or is it too late since he has already made his ruling?

Posted by: Hanna on May 25, 2005 09:42 PM
69. Posted by Micajah at May 25, 2005 08:25 PM

Excellent analysis. I hope that Judge Bridges accepts it for the absentee ballot crediting. Unlike poll book crediting, absentee ballot crediting is an integral part of the election canvassing process.

(Poll books are important in canvassing, but mainly to make sure that provisional voters didn't vote in their correct precincts and also to count the signatures on election night to reconcile the numbers.)

I have advocated going through all the empty absentee envelopes, counting them, sorting them (or photocopies of them) precinct, counting them again, etc. to make sure the numbers balanced (well, to make sure they didn't balance of course).

But everything should have been done correctly in the canvassing process -- the WAC requires an exact match and perfect accounting. And you are right -- simply counting the opened empties won't do. You have to make sure that the opened empties actually were accepted in the first place.

It looks like Judge Bridges is recognizing that this is the proper approach on absentee ballots -- i.e. the voter crediting records are the best evidence for who actually cast them.

I can't see how Judge Bridges can ignore the 1,091 extra ballots in King County -- 875 absentees and 216 polls. (This is in addition to illegal votes cast by illegal felons, double voters, "dead" voters, and the unregistered.)

I am cautiously optimistic that we can pop the corks next Friday, and that the state Supreme Court will hear this case on an expedited schedule and affirm Gregoire's ouster in time for the start of filing week in late July (at least issue an order to this effect, with detailed opinion possibly following later -- maybe after the November election, like they did for the primary election veto case last year).

Posted by: Richard Pope on May 25, 2005 10:11 PM
70. Hanna,

As Richard Pope noted, it looks as though the judge is already beginning to get the idea about voter crediting -- and I would add: with no help at all from the lawyers, who don't seem to know where to find a copy of the Revised Code of Washington.

If it becomes important to revisit his earlier ruling about the "best evidence," it's possible to request that he reconsider. As for proving which alleged felons voted at the polls, the judge's ruling is correct anyway -- King County's workers demonstrated that they couldn't figure out how to scan the bar code immediately adjacent to the "I" that noted which voter was credited with participating. It would be pure luck to identify the correct person from their work. (And it's pure bad luck that a candidate was declared to be duly elected based on that work.)

Posted by: Micajah on May 25, 2005 10:25 PM
71. I can't remember if the Petitioners trial brief listed those thousands of illegally *enhanced* ballots? (ie; white-out, black markers covering original markings, etc)

I wonder if they will be covered in the trial?

I have to give the Republicans (and the Judge) credit...They have been able to cover a lot of ground in just 3 days!

Posted by: Deborah on May 25, 2005 10:25 PM
72. Deborah,
The petitioners decided a few weeks ago that there was no reason to pursue the question about enhanced ballots. Apparently, once they got a chance to examine them they found no substantial basis for going forward with that claim.

Posted by: Micajah on May 25, 2005 10:38 PM
73. Thank you Micajah!

I'll cross those off of my wish list!

I think the Republicans have more than enough to work with as it is....

Posted by: Deborah on May 25, 2005 10:53 PM
74. It's ironic that DIMS, the computer system that apparently caused many of the ballot counting problems in King County, was sold by Diebold Information Systems. That's right, the company headed by Wally O'Dell, a major contributor to Republican candidates. In recent years Democrats have warned that Diebold might use its unseen code to throw an election to the Republicans.

This doesn't really mean anything -- perhaps King County's implementation is more at fault than Diebold -- but it's amusing to imagine how loudly some of you would be screaming fraud if Diebold were headed by a prominent Democrat...

Posted by: Bruce on May 25, 2005 11:32 PM
75. Bruce, forget Diebold; we've GOT Democrats RUNNING King County elections. Look at the freaking mess we're in with THEM!

Posted by: Michele on May 26, 2005 12:17 AM
76. Perhaps even the PI is seeing the light as the truth of this 100 thousand ton train wreck of an election fiasco is revealed.

CHI-DOOH LI's commentary starts to spell it out:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/225768_skip26.html

They still want to spin it as human error "Pathetic litany of a bungled election". It's spin for they screwed this process up so bad it can't be salvaged. Any defense of the errors will have to bring to light more errors.

Posted by: GPat on May 26, 2005 05:46 AM
77. "They still want to spin it as human error "Pathetic litany of a bungled election"."

The crux of the 'Rat defense seems to be, "we aren't crooked, we're just idiots". Just like with Clinton, the defense was, "I'm not a criminal, I'm just a lying, lecherous deviant (but should still be President)."

Well, they can have that defense. If they're going to plead stupidity and incompetence, why would anyone in their right mind have any faith in the outcome of this election, or in the legitimacy of Fraudoire as Govenor? If idiots are running the election (which will be the only logical conclusion if the 'Rats win their case based on their own arguments), then that alone casts doubt on the election results, and lends credibility to the argument that it should be tossed.

Posted by: Interested Observer on May 26, 2005 06:31 AM
78. Thanks Micajah.

After listening to the Dems (longer than is healthy), I get the impression that someone could have walked into a precinct with a stack of ballots, put them all into the accuvote and if the accuvote inspector (judge) looked the other way and didn't stop them, then, per the Dems, the votes are "valid" and "legal" - the inspector just made a "mistake".

Aside from what Dems say, we don't want a perfect election. We want the government to strenuously strive towards a 100% perfect election. We know that INNOCENT errors happen and will reduce the perfection, but without 100% accuracy being the absolute, ironclad goal, I don't think we'll feel comfortable with races being as close as 1%.

Posted by: Jack on May 26, 2005 07:04 AM
79. "It's ironic that DIMS, the computer system that apparently caused many of the ballot counting problems in King County, was sold by Diebold Information Systems. That's right, the company headed by Wally O'Dell, a major contributor to Republican candidates. In recent years Democrats have warned that Diebold might use its unseen code to throw an election to the Republicans."

The thing about software and machines is that you pretty much can dulpicate the "bias" at will if it exists. If there really WAS an attempt by Diebold to bias an election, all one needed to do is to run a controlled test of known ballots to see if it consistently misreported the results in favor of republicans. So, I am not very impressed by claims such as that unless the plaintiffs are willing to put it to a test rather than simply lob blanket accusations.

It would be a very stooopid thing for Diebold to do since if they were proven to be "inaccurate" in their election tallies, they would lose big in the marketplace. One thing capitalists like more than republicans is profits. It would be strange for them to risk profits for politics.

Just thinking out loud.

Posted by: Eyago on May 26, 2005 07:19 AM
80. One of the best ways to cover fraud is with incompetence. If the ballot box was stuffed how could anyone tell? If 1800 +/- ballots had been exchanged, stuck in the mix, found late, ad infinitum, who would know with all the other problems.

I find it amusing that seemingly intelligent people still think there is not major deliberate fraud involved. Like conspiracy, fraud is nearly impossible to prove. Circumstantial evidence is all one ever has unless someone breaks the code of silence. That rarely happens unless criminal charges are filed and someone cuts a deal with prosecutors. That's going to happen, right?

Posted by: Ron A. on May 26, 2005 07:36 AM
81. Snake Said "This is some of the most exciting courtroom drama I've seen in a while. Gee, I wish they'd put Boston Legal back on the air...

Denny Crane"

I say, AMEN! Boston Legal is one of the best shows that I have seen in years! It's intelligent, funny, amazingly balanced and just darn good!

Posted by: bf on May 26, 2005 08:53 AM
82. Diebold stuff is the red herring, Elvis look alike

Posted by: righton on May 26, 2005 08:54 AM
83. I can't believe nobody has already come to the only reasonable conclusion - Karl Rove did it.

Posted by: Good Captain on May 26, 2005 09:24 AM
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