May 23, 2005
Hamilton scores own goal

Democrat lawyer Kevin Hamilton scored an own goal. His attempted defense against the Republican allegation that there were 875 more absentee ballots than absentee voters was that the Republicans only relied on computer records and never counted the actual envelopes. But this only draws attention to King County's failure to comply with the law.

The county was required to account for all of its absentee ballots by WAC 434-240-270. They admitted that they knew that the computer system couldn't do the accounting. But they're still required to comply with the law. So King County should have handcounted all of the absentee envelopes in the presence of party observers before final certification. Had they done so, the discrepancy would have been resolved one way or another, obviating the need for this trial. You have to wonder why they didn't handcount the ballots and instead concealed the discrepancy with a fraudulently perfect ballot report.

Thanks, Kevin, for drawing attention to this detail.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at May 23, 2005 12:52 PM | Email This
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1. Stefan,
First off, Hamilton's allegation is stupid. Computers are used for accounting by businesses all over the US. But you only get as accurate an accounting, as the information inputted in to the computer(GIGO). If King county had to gone to an IRS audit with the BS that they have for this election. Well, lets just say it would be a toss up as to who would be serving time for this caper. For it would be a race to see who could cut a deal and stay out of jail, first.

Posted by: Mike P on May 23, 2005 01:13 PM
2. Stefan,
First off, Hamilton's allegation is stupid. Computers are used for accounting by businesses all over the US. But you only get as accurate an accounting, as the information inputted in to the computer(GIGO). If King county had to gone to an IRS audit with the BS that they have for this election. Well, lets just say it would be a toss up as to who would be serving time for this caper. For it would be a race to see who could cut a deal and stay out of jail, first.

Posted by: Mike P on May 23, 2005 01:13 PM
3. Out of curiosity, are you sure the R lawyers will pick up on this?

I hope they read this blog.

Posted by: Cliff Smith on May 23, 2005 01:17 PM
4. The Dems have been successfully rope-a-doped...just like Muhammed Ali did to George Foreman.

The R's and the press absolutely fixated on the felon issue. They poured unbelievable assets into this one area. Yet on the other aspects of the R's contest, they seem ill-prepared and like the perverbial JACKASS in the Headlights!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on May 23, 2005 01:24 PM
5. OOPS--
I meant the DEMS fixated on the felon issue.
DEM DOPES HAVE BEEN ROPED!!!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on May 23, 2005 01:25 PM
6. Hmmm, maybe it's because the results as of the date of certification, with all counties reporting, and a mail ballot total that was simply a summation of ballots, led to a result that Sims, Logan, Huneekens, et. all would be happy with, a win for Gregoire.

No need to bother with details like proper accounting of all mail ballots, those are merely post election excercises, not at all important, yada, yada, yada.

It was simply, "Gregoire's ahead, let's certify this puppy and head to the innaugural ball to party."

Posted by: Jeff B. on May 23, 2005 01:25 PM
7. Stefan, I assume you are already aware of this, but I sure hope that the Republican Lawyers are reading http://crokersack.blogspot.com

They could add to their arguments in a substantial way by simply examining what Micajah has to say.

Realtime legal support from blogs during key trials, could be a new first for the blogosphere.

Posted by: Jeff B. on May 23, 2005 01:35 PM
8. What's this on the radio news about Bridges will hear an arguement from the Dems re: not allowing NEW arguements (fraud) from the GOPers?
Seems to me that the fraud description is an apt one after the recent depositions of KC electioneers. What is discovery from depositions for?
Fine. Let's go to a new trial, then...
Meanwhile, the liberals stew in their own pseudo-reality maisma: they don't have a clue as to the Republican's case. They think that what the news media reports is what IS ACTUALLY GOING ON.
Poltroons.

Posted by: Casey on May 23, 2005 01:48 PM
9. Anyone watching the trial?

A lawyer is asking a witness questions, and THEY ARE BOTH JUST READING OFF A SCRIPT!!!

What the hell is that all about?

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on May 23, 2005 01:53 PM
10. Casey,

David Postman just mentioned it in the Seattle Times. Dems are arguing that because these allegations just came out, they weren't filed in a timely manner. Bridges told the Republicans to prepare an argument by tomorrow where he'll rule, but will allow the new allegations for the time being.

Posted by: Mike H on May 23, 2005 01:56 PM
11. yea DMV, I want to know that too. Isn't it SOS Sam Reed? on the stand?

Posted by: cc on May 23, 2005 01:56 PM
12. They are reading Sam Reed's deposition.
The choice was the deposition or live testimony, not both. I would have gone for a live witness.

Posted by: otto on May 23, 2005 01:59 PM
13. Yes, can someone explain the whole thing about not allowing "new" arguments about fraud?? I was literally just laughing while the dem lawyers whined about not knowing about the charges from the opening statement, and that they're not prepared to defend against it, etc, and that they shouldn't be allowed to present the stuff the GOP discovered during the discovery deposition phase because they didn't declare it early enough or something??? (I'm NO legal expert at all)....

But I stopped laughing when the judge said that it was his understanding that the trial is just about "illegal votes", not the allegations of fraud and false reports, etc, and that they'll submit written statements and he'll rule on what "new" allegations will be allowed tomorrow.??? What the?

So, basically, is the judge now saying it's all about felon voters (and dead voters, etc) too?? Did I read that wrong? What a travesty this would be if the admissions from the depositions are not allowed.

And yes, the fact that they are sitting there, reading off the script of RINO Sam Reed's deposition is just ludicrous. Shouldn't that stuff just be READ by the judge, rather than "re-enacted" in the courtroom all freaking day??

Posted by: Scott on May 23, 2005 02:00 PM
14. yeah, it's Sam Reed... but who's the guy doing the questioning?

Posted by: Mike H on May 23, 2005 02:00 PM
15. Reed's part is being "played" by Republican lawyer, Foreman (who gave opening arguments.
The good news is that Judge Bridges is going to take Dean Logan's deposition home to read it himself.

Still I would think that live witnesses would make more sense.

Posted by: otto on May 23, 2005 02:04 PM
16. Ah, so that's what they are doing!

What a freaking joke! It's all on paper. Are the democrats afraid that because of their lousy public school system run by the WEA that people will not be able to READ all of this???

Ha ha ... silly, silly WA State ... it's a laugh a minute to watch these clowns in action.

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on May 23, 2005 02:06 PM
17. The exaggerated delay by King County in furnishing public documents, requested by Stefan and other parties, is terrific evidence that the County knew of its own misfeasance long ago and deliberately dragged its feet in supplying evidence.

That delay should also put a squelch to the Democrat argument that the fraud issue was raised too late in the game. There was a reason for the lateness, Mr. Democrat, and its name was Dean Logan (and no doubt his superiors as well).

Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive on May 23, 2005 02:10 PM
18. Let me get this straight... the R lawyer is on the stand reading Reed's deposition? Are you serious? Why, what's the point? Hasn't this already been admitted into evidence? Surely by now Bridges has already read it, and it's not a jury trial. This is lame and seems like a waste of time.

Posted by: Mike H on May 23, 2005 02:11 PM
19. They are reading it so the media can cover it...its the media that can't (won't) read all the arguements. The only thing they read is 6th grade level press releases.

Posted by: VaCSProf on May 23, 2005 02:13 PM
20. Reading all day. Hmmm... how much do lawyers make an hour? I need to go to law school.

Posted by: Tim R on May 23, 2005 02:20 PM
21. Stephan,

You are correct in what should have been done. There should have been a handcount of absentee ballot envolopes. Then, everyone would know how many were returned. From this, there should have been numbers broken down by accepted and rejected.

My question to all the "smart" people who comment here is why haven't the Republicans done this, or at least request the court order this? This would resolve the issue if there were more votes than ballots, wouldn't it? How can you claim there are more votes than ballots when you don't know how many have been submitted? KC was wrong in certifying without counting the actual number of ballots and the Republicans are wrong in bring the argument that there are more votes that ballots when they have no accurrate count of the number of ballots.

Posted by: tc on May 23, 2005 04:34 PM
22. tc,
I did say exactly this in Dec 2004. See
http://differenttack.blogspot.com/2004_12_01_differenttack_archive.html.
I wrote an e-mail for Sam Reed over the fact that the PI published numbers did not jive with the numbers given earlier. I was told to wait until the reconcilation by King County was given to Sam's office. It was not until those same King County Election Commitee members had to go under oath, did we finally get the statements that they (King County) had falsified their offical documents.

Posted by: Mike P on May 23, 2005 05:59 PM
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