May 20, 2005
"No New Gas Tax" initiative now has ballot title

I-912, the proposed "No New Gas Tax" Initiative now has a ballot title:

This measure would repeal vehicle fuel tax increases of 3 cents, 3 cents, 2 cents, and 1.5 cents per gallon in 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008, respectively, enacted in 2005 for transportation purposes. Should this measure be enacted into law? Yes [ ] No [ ]

Ballot Measure Summary
This measure would repeal a series of increases in the motor vehicle fuel tax enacted by the 2005 session of the Legislature. The 2005 enactment provides that the motor vehicle fuel tax rate would increase by three cents per gallon on July 1, 2005, by three cents more in 2006, by two cents more in 2007, and by one and one-half cents per gallon more in 2008. The measure includes liberal construction and severability provisions.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at May 20, 2005 05:18 PM | Email This
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1. One down many more initiatives to add!

1. Freeze Property Taxes at 2000 levels (california prop 13)

2. Compensate property owners for property taken by legislation (Oregon Prop 37)

3. Recall the Gov. Fraudoire (california has done this why can't we follow the lead)

Posted by: Elvis is the King County on May 20, 2005 05:26 PM
2. A couple more for you:

4.) End the prevailing wage for government projects.

5.) Stop allowing workers that work for two months, get three months off, and then begin a new two month project from receiving unemployment benefits during their three months off. This is standard for contract employees that work refinery shut-downs. I have three friends currently doing this and they make excellent money...and have their "vacations" subsidized.

Posted by: Mark D on May 20, 2005 05:40 PM
3. Wow! That was pretty fast. Did they get the ballot title and summary today, or yesterday? The Code Reviser prepared the codified version on May 18, 2005, so the AG's office could have taken five full business days to come up with the ballot title and summary.

They used to take the full five days when Christine Gregoire was running the AG's office, especially if the initiative or referendum was something that Gregoire opposed. It is nice to see that Rob McKenna is trying a lot harder to make the direct democracy process work by not needlessly delaying matters.

Unfortunately, the process can be delayed up to two weeks more by someone suing about the ballot title and summary.

Posted by: Richard Pope on May 20, 2005 05:44 PM
4. 6) Construction money goes for construction, not environmental studies, environmental remediation, environmnental litigation, environmental liturgy, gaia worship services, etc.

7) Sales tax does not apply to construction materials (allowing a 8.5% kickback to the general fund).

Posted by: Dogbert on May 20, 2005 05:44 PM
5. 8) No money shall be spent on bike lanes or HOV lanes.

9) No transportation money shall be used to subsidize mass transit.

Posted by: Dogbert on May 20, 2005 05:48 PM
6. 10) Seattle can pay for their own bleedin' boondoggles.

11) All projects shall be audited by an independent accounting firm.

Posted by: Dogbert on May 20, 2005 05:49 PM
7. 12) Public money spent on anything environmental violates the first ammendment requirement of seperation of church and state.

13) All transportation projects shall result in an increase of capacity.

Posted by: Dogbert on May 20, 2005 05:52 PM
8. So far...that's 11 I'd vote for.

Posted by: Mark D on May 20, 2005 05:52 PM
9. Dogbert...you're too fast for me. Make that 13 that I'd vote for...great ideas!

Posted by: Mark D on May 20, 2005 05:53 PM
10. 14.) When rent is due..have the renter pay the land lord 1 check for the amount of the actual rent and a second check for the amount of rent that is actually going to cover the land lord's property tax. Thereby cluing in the renters out there the they actually do pay property tax and would be less likely to vote for increases.

Posted by: Mark D on May 20, 2005 05:56 PM
11. 15) Re-instate 601 to full orginal intent of the voter.

Posted by: JCM on May 20, 2005 06:21 PM
12. Dogbert said: "All projects shall be audited by an independent accounting firm."
This is a must. We the people have every right to know where our money is going.

Posted by: cc on May 20, 2005 06:22 PM
13. I love #12! That's hilarious and yet so true. #14 is great too. I'm a renter, and it is terrible to talk to someone who doesn't understand, they actually think they are screwing their landlord by voting for people who increase property taxes...ignorant, tunnel-visioned people.

Posted by: hoffman on May 20, 2005 06:30 PM
14. "The measure includes liberal construction and severability provisions."

What does this clause mean?

Posted by: jeremy on May 20, 2005 06:32 PM
15. 16) The county with the highest per capita error rate gets to pay for any recount. A recount is automatic if errors exceed the margin of victory. All of the internal records from poll pages and 'batch slips' to the final reconciliation document must be available online for free 4 business days prior to certification. (With only the minimal amount obscured for privacy, think 'signature'.) Any deficiency in the count not enumerated and explained _on_ the certification shall be _presumed_ to be fraud and _shall_ be prosecuted as such.

Posted by: Al on May 20, 2005 06:41 PM
16. jeremy - Tha means that if someone trys to challange certain portions of it, those portions can be deleted or modified. Kinda like a lizard breaking off its tail, so it can survive.

Posted by: Dogbert on May 20, 2005 06:55 PM
17. 16) (alternative) The county with the highest per capita error rate doesn't count toward statewide office.

Posted by: Dogbert on May 20, 2005 06:57 PM
18. Ooh, dogbert, That's simple and to the point. I think it would run afoul of the 'one man one vote' business from the Feds though.

Posted by: Al on May 20, 2005 07:09 PM
19. That's liberals for you...can't ever see beyond the end of their nose.

Posted by: Danny on May 20, 2005 07:31 PM
20. Elvis wrote:
2. Compensate property owners for property taken by legislation (Oregon Prop 37)

This is essential if we are to have any form of private property. The "wetland" land grab is unbelievable. Wetland... old Puyallup indian word for "lousy drainage".

Posted by: Huey on May 20, 2005 07:33 PM
21. Looks good. I recall my classic movies--the big guy in the rowing room--pounding the hammer---"Ramming Speed!!"

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on May 20, 2005 07:44 PM
22. Elvis . . . thanks for starting a really productive "session"! You guys all have excellent ideas. Keep that creativity going! If we are going to declare our independence, we need a plan! Let's kick it off at Elvis's picnic on the lawn in Olympia for the 4th of July!

Posted by: lksimstrailgrammy on May 20, 2005 08:56 PM
23. Who's bringin the peanut butter & banana sammiches?!!

Posted by: alphabet soup on May 20, 2005 09:05 PM
24. Being the grandma type who likes to plan big events, I was rather thinking of hot dogs, potato salad, cold slop, cotton candy, and lemonade. I am picturing a platform-type stage, a marching band, and group sing. I was thinking The Hutch could lead in a rousing round of "Battle Hymn of the Republic". Stefan could MC the event, with Carlson, Wilbur, Siegel, Williams, and the good rabbi adding their rah-rah speeches. More band music, and more group-sing, followed by fireworks.

Posted by: lksimstrailgrammy on May 20, 2005 09:12 PM
25. Why did they not also go after the tab by weight?

I know they think they are punishing Excursion and Humvee drivers, but this is screwing small business (ie people who really do need 1-ton pick up trucks and cube vans).

Posted by: Andy on May 20, 2005 09:16 PM
26. #22 Any legislation labeled "emergency" requires 2/3 majority.

I can't think of a legitimate emergency that wouldn't get 2/3 vote.

I'm sure I could use the word "mischief" and "prevention" to describe this legislation too.

Posted by: Andy on May 20, 2005 09:19 PM
27. How about an election related one for the real reform?

#23 re-register all voters with a real proof of citizenship, and showing a picture id that shows the correct name, current address when voting.

Posted by: C. Oh on May 20, 2005 09:56 PM
28. #24 Enact a $2.00 sales tax for every bicycle tire and innertube sold. Only these monies may be used for bicycle lanes and trails.

Posted by: Suaittle-John on May 20, 2005 09:57 PM
29. C. Oh. Great one. I would definately gather signatures for that.

Posted by: Mark D on May 20, 2005 10:00 PM
30. It's great to see all of the common sense ideas coming out!!!! It's sad that our elected reps can't seem to come up with any of these. Instead they do stuff like...well you all know about the legislative session this year.

Posted by: Mark D on May 20, 2005 10:04 PM
31. #25, UW, when we said no more affirmative action racism, we meant it. All racist laws granting special privledge for gender, color, gays, etc. repealed.

Posted by: Jeff B. on May 20, 2005 10:43 PM
32. I'm curious, for those in favor of I-912, whether you:
a) think there is not need for highway improvements in the state
b) think WSDOT could be run more efficiently, and savings are sufficient to pay for all needed highway improvements
c) think a large set of projects could be canned (ones I've heard mentioned here are Viaduct or 520) and the savings pay for all needed highway improvements
d) other reason why existing WSDOT spending is sufficient.

I think
a) there is a need for highway improvements.
b) I'm sure WSDOT is not perfectly run, but I don't think the "waste" is more than 5% - and WSDOT's budget is about 4 billion (operating plus capital budget), so that would be $200 million a year. Nowhere near sufficient to pay for the highway improvements (405, 520, Viaduct, 167, etc, etc.) I think are necessary. That isn't to say the waste shouldn't be eliminated, if it is present - but it can't be the whole solution.
c) Hardly seems fair to require all highway improvements benefit people who vote one way or another. If people really want a Sound Transit like subarea equity across the state, then road budgets everywhere but King County would likely be cut.

If none of the above, and you agree more spending is necessary, why the opposition to the gas tax?

Posted by: Peter Carlin on May 20, 2005 10:51 PM
33. Peter--
It's WHO pays that is a question in my mind. And it gets kind of complicated so bear with me.
The Seattle LEFTIST PINHEADS rammed thru the Growth Management Act Legislatively after it was soundly rejected by voters.

Between this Governors Race contest, GMA, wasteful spending on planning, re-planning and re-re-planning PLUS a lot of other KingCo lead "wet dreams" a lot of folks around the State want to give Seattle the BIG MIDDLE DIGIT!!

There are many ways for Seattle to address these WANTS...privatize projects using tolls being one option that has worked in Orlando and many other communities.

Lastly, the Alaska Way project is an "asthetic fix" to a problem that is not as big of a problem as the LEFTIST PINHEADS have lead us to believe. They want a beautified waterfront Peter. And they want the entire State to pay for it.

How's that for starters?
You asked Peter...

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on May 20, 2005 11:07 PM
34. Hi Peter,

Being efficient is not the same as being effective.

Efficiency means that nothing is wasted. Effectiveness means that goals are accomplished.

Regardless of how efficient the WSDOT is, they are not effective in solving traffic problems here in Washington state.

Why do I believe the WSDOT is ineffective? Here is why:

1) Multiple environmental studies are undertaken when a dose of common sense would suffice.

2) Unions are placated while the common good is ignored.

I remember a construction project I saw (in another state). The machines were lined up, one after another. At one end there was dirt. At the other end there was pavement. Not too complicated.

Contrast with Washington state. Projects here seem to be on the order of patching potholes and retrofiting existing roads with curbs to capture storm water for treatment.

The solution becomes simple, once environmental concerns are properly addressed and unions are made to compete with the free market:

* eliminate Sound Transit (immediately save millions)
* eliminate HOV lanes (immediately increase effective road miles)
* convert dead ends to connecting roads (immediately relieve pressure from choke points)
* add road miles across the state (increase capacity for the future)

Four billion buys a lot of pavement.

Posted by: Daniel Kauffman on May 21, 2005 12:46 AM
35. The wording of the last sentence will encourage people that want the gas tax repealed to vote no, thinking this will keep the tax from being enacted.

Posted by: Van on May 21, 2005 06:54 AM
36. Peter - As I have previously posted elsewhere - go online & review DOT projects at other states & compare costs to WA. It is amazing. Start with South Dakota. The data is out there, we are getting the giant ripoff in this state.

Posted by: Sparkey on May 21, 2005 07:38 AM
37. Peter,
Think, what is this gas tax buying???

A START on the viaduct, 520, and other projects... ALL of which are just concepts, Nobody has even drawn up plans yet! If you would bother to read the legslation you will find that it is full of fanciful ideas and concepts, there is nothing concrete! In addition, all of it is moot unless the local districts come up with more monies to complete the projects. If the local districts do not come up with the monies they have the right to reallocate funds to other projects or for other needs....
Translation: We need more money for our social welfare agenda and this is how we can dupe the public into paying for it! It is nothing but a bait and switch plan.
There is also a lot of mumbo-jumbo about what kind of projects it would pay for, translation...more HOV lanes, bike trails, light rail lines.
This is not my idea fo how to "fix" our transportation problems!

Solution:

LANES, NOT TRAINS...USE YOUR BRAINS!

Posted by: Steve on May 21, 2005 10:13 AM
38. Peter:
We do need major improvements in our roads. Look at State Route 2 for example. But I don't see any of that gas tax being allocated for that. Instead, as posted by several people above, it used as a start to many pet projects that do not benifit the majority of the state. The Narrows Bridge Project will be partially paid for by tolls. Why not us polls for the new and improved Alaskan Way Tunnel? The viaduct could be rebuilt/repaired for a lot less than building a new tunnel. Why should the entire state have to pay for that? Another way to save money would to repeal that mandatory art clause in construction. I believe it is one half of one percent state wide except King County where it is one percent of construction costs. In a multi billion dollar project, that adds up real quick.

Posted by: Robert-in-Tacoma on May 21, 2005 11:58 AM
39. I'll be looking for it to sign!!

Those petitions will fill up fast where I live!

Posted by: Deborah on May 21, 2005 12:53 PM
40. Um, guys? Has anyone noticed I-910? What on earth?!

Posted by: Andy SW on May 23, 2005 03:56 AM
41. Thanks to Rob McKenna for the split second turn around of 912 - his quick work means about another week to collect signatures. Does he support 912? It sure seems like it. Let's sign him up.

Too bad it won't be enough. This initiative is doomed. The campaign is lousy. It started way too late. It can't get its facts straight. And it is being run by some of the biggest blow hards in the state.

Can someone credible emerge to run this?

Posted by: todd on May 24, 2005 07:42 AM
42. Thanks to Rob McKenna for the split second turn around of 912 - his quick work means about another week to collect signatures. Does he support 912? It sure seems like it. Let's sign him up.

Too bad it won't be enough. This initiative is doomed. The campaign is lousy. It started way too late. It can't get its facts straight. And it is being run by some of the biggest blow hards in the state.

Can someone credible emerge to run this?

Posted by: todd on May 24, 2005 07:43 AM
43. Am I the only one here that actually supports the gas tax as a way to fund specific transportation projects? When you take emotions about the topic out of the equation how can you argue against a user fee approach? Does anyone here have access to factual information about what it costs to fund the WS DOT, the numerous maintenance and safety road projects that are done every year, and the new projects worked every year? Then add the cost of all the new necessary mega projects. What are the total dollars needed? I don't have that info but I would like to see it. I have a feeling that the total is very expensive. Yep, it actually costs money to support all of this. As much as I dislike taxes the legislature finally did their job and made tough decisions. If the citizens of this state had to vote on a gas tax increase to pay for necessary projects they would always vote it down (who wants to pay more gas tax?!) And one more thing...the distribution of the monies for projects is at least 90% to roads. That is significant. Let's move forward with these state road projects and get them done!

Posted by: Jerry on May 24, 2005 06:06 PM
44. Go for it. Taxes never come off. Like the one
to clean up the sound....did it happen even.

Posted by: Alice V. Davis on May 27, 2005 05:06 PM
45. I used to be an estimator for some of this work. At least 40% of every project is spent on UNNECESSARY(!) "environmental" requirements of the job. All materials pay 6.5% sales tax back to the state's general fund. Then the state turns around and charges 5% of our total revenue (regardless of profit or loss) in excise tax. Of course our price to the state reflects the tax they will charge us.
Without prevailing wage and apprenticeship requirements, we could bid the job about 30% lower, which we do on some jobs that don't have those requirements, and we use the same workers. Do the math; over 60% of what the state pays the contractor is wasted or goes straight back into the general fund - a clear violation of the state constitution - and all could be fixed very easily. Imagine if you cut every one of those project costs you see in the paper in half. You could build them all with existing money.

Your gas tax dollars fund the State Patrol, including their drug lab and the Governor's security detail. How does that square with the constitutional requirement that gas tax is to pay for transportation?

Not to mention the $105 you have to put up every time someone gets on one of those damned trains! You could buy those riders their own car and pay for the gas and save millions!

WSDOT doesn't need any more money, they need the felons running the place behind bars.

Posted by: deforddk on June 3, 2005 11:43 PM
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