From the StrategicVision Poll of Washington voters conducted May 15 - 17
1. Regardless of who you voted for in November's gubernatorial election, who do you believe actually won the gubernatorial election, Democrat Christine Gregoire or Republican Dino Rossi?Given that most respondents both (a) think that Rossi legitimately won and (b) appear to wish that he had been inaugurated, I'm intrigued by the other finding that 58% don't want a revote. What that probably means (although respondents weren't asked to express) that they simply want Gregoire removed from office and Rossi inaugurated as soon as possible. But if there is a revote, Rossi would win 54% to 38%. Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at May 20, 2005 12:42 PM | Email This
Christine Gregoire 37%
Dino Rossi 57%
Undecided 6%5. Regardless of who you voted for in November's gubernatorial election, do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Christine Gregoire?
Favorable 32%
Unfavorable 58%
Undecided 10%6. Regardless of who you voted for in November's gubernatorial election, do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Dino Rossi?
Favorable 56%
Unfavorable 40%
Undecided 4%
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Now that sounds bipartison ...
However, I would also be interested to see people's reaction to a poll question more along the lines of what you suggested. Perhaps these would be of some value:
If the election is thrown out, how do you think the situation should be handled?
If the election is thrown out, who would you support as a candidate in a "revote"?
JMHO
Posted by: Patrick E. Bell on May 20, 2005 01:08 PM"Below are the results of a three-day poll of registered voters in the state of Washington. Results are based on telephone interviews with 800 registered voters in Washington, aged 18+, and conducted May 15-17, 2005. The margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points."
The results are not surprising at all because as the text says the poll was conducted via phone--(clearly the homeless didn't participate)--and registered voters were questioned--(clearly more than registered voters voted in November). Also the poll provides what Dean Logan cannot and that is the statistical margin of error before ascribing any findings of winning answers.
Perhaps Strategic Visions should be contracted to conduct the next statewide poll/election.
Posted by: Elvis is the King County on May 20, 2005 01:14 PMThe certainly seem to be hired guns. The site makes no mention of what counties were polled. I guarantee they did not give King County its proper weight. But, hey, if it makes you all feel better then it was well worth the money.
Posted by: Doc on May 20, 2005 01:22 PMI can't wait for someone to introduce her as:
"The former Illegitimate Governor" Gregoire.
That has a nice, respectful and 100% ACCURATE ring to it, doesn't it??
Dogma: Disagree? You are a threat to liberty.
Voting: Works better for American Idol than Representative Democracy
Posted by: Snarky Mover on May 20, 2005 01:26 PMSo, it's anybody's guess who would win an actual election.
Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on May 20, 2005 01:41 PMThen, once your candidate is declared "elected", it becomes:
"Hide every vote, hide every vote, hide every vote, hide every vote!!!!"
Dogma: Just have the P-I explain it all away as "eh, nobody is perfect. We'll miss a few votes here and there."
Voting: Works better in former Communist countries than it does in a state named after one of the Founding Fathers of the first Democratic country (unless the King County Council votes to rename the state after Booker T. Washington)
Can anyone tell me there wouldn't be riots in the streets a la WTO if this had been the other way around?
Posted by: On the Far Right Side of the State on May 20, 2005 01:41 PMPatrick - I agree with this. I believe (as demonstrated by numerous polls and such, Gregoire has not since day one been viewed as legitimately elected...THAT SAID - I think people are becoming more willing to live with her for a term...THAT SAID, we (the State) could put this whole fiasco behind us, but as we have seen thus far, the longer Gregoire acts as Governor, the more fiascos she is creating for this state and the next legitmately elected Governor.
I know that there will be riots if this thing doesn't get a fair trial and satisfy the majority of the voters in this state--remember the REVOTE RALLY in Olympia. If the initial ruling is against Krassteen, she'd better step down fast without playing the appeal stalemate game because my neighbors and I will be the first to pitch tents at Olympia as in the Orange revolution. The fathers of this country and soldiers after them fought too hard defending our right to democracy and fair elections to have a few political tyrants hold our system hostage. Riots and protests in support of democracy are perfectly justified.
Amen brother. If I were closer to Olympia, I'd be right there with you.
My point about riots was that the Republicans have been courteous, good-mannered and patient through all of this. Particularly the legislators (too much so if you ask me, voting for the hated gas tax).
If CG had been the one that lost by 122 votes, the PETA-philes, ALFies, commies, anarchists, and other assorted scumbags would have already turned over some cars and broken some windows at Westlake Center.
Posted by: On the Far Right Side of the State on May 20, 2005 02:26 PMRemember that she's martialing a bunch of taxpayer dollars to deal with the drought.
Looked out your window today? Drought my ass.
Posted by: Jeff B. on May 20, 2005 02:34 PMWhen the courts rule in Gregiore's favor and you protest, hell, we'll just stay home and laugh. And laugh. And laugh.
Man, there are some good times ahead.
Cheers,
Doc.
Posted by: Doc on May 20, 2005 02:38 PMReason #1 to vote against Republicans:
No concept of how the environment works.
Posted by: Doc on May 20, 2005 02:42 PMThe only other option that I see is to begin organizing the "Asphalt Party" to remove all the democommies that have supported the Fraudoirnor in implementing the gas tax to support the Tyrants of the DOT.
The example for the Asphalt Party is the original Boston Tea Party. Want to join?
Posted by: MikeFedUp on May 20, 2005 02:45 PM
What will really be interesting will be the
republican voter turnout in king county.
They have got to better job of getting people
out to vote.
When you have over 100,000 registered
republicans that didn't vote in each of the
last 2 presdential elections.You have a major
problem on your hands.
What will the king gop leadership do
to fix this?OH and this sparks idea will
not do it.Why do I say this? well because
any idea that is of the belief that its
the voters fault because they have given up
trying.Doesn't really indentify what's
wrong here.
Sure the voters decided not vote.But there
are different reasons for it.what the king
gop leadership must do is determine what these
reasons are. If they don't I'm afraid things
won't getting any better.
I think you meant to say on the off chance we had a sitting democratically elected Governor. Instead, we have a political appointee courtesy of the well-oiled King County political machine run by Boss Sims.
From what I have seen of the Democrats in this state, God may love you, but he sure isn't on your side. And the closest most of you pinkos have been to battle is fighting for a good parking spot at the SAM. You're a bloody disgrace to anyone who has ever donned this country's uniform.
Posted by: On the Far Right Side of the State on May 20, 2005 02:52 PMPer your threats:
"Gregiore will appeal, appeal, appeal, and if you protest I will pitch my tent next to yours and be in your face. I'm bigger, stronger, and, quite frankly, God loves me. Repugs don't stand a chance in this state against the well oiled, battle tested, left. It'll be like the Heat against the Bullets. Your toast."
I don't care if you are bigger and stronger - because I'm smarter than you. The bigger you are, the harder you'll fall.
As for the liberals in this state being 'well oiled, battle tested' - you're making me laugh out loud. You haven't had a challenge in this state in 20 years, and that's why you got sloppy and committed all this fraud and then admitted to it! You're not battle tested, you're lazy and out-of-touch. The real battlegrounds have been in Ohio and Florida and Wisconsin, where the Repubclicans have been making ground and winning. We'll win here too. The Red Tide Cometh.
Posted by: Larry on May 20, 2005 03:02 PMIn the 20 years (give or take) that I've noticed or gave a damn about the differences between democrats and normal people, I've yet to come across one that could do a decent job of licking the bottom of my boots.
You may be an exception, and I invite you to audition any time you care to.
Molan Labe, mofo!
Posted by: alphabet soup on May 20, 2005 03:10 PMI seriously doubt that. But you are smart enough to know when to laugh.
Posted by: Doc on May 20, 2005 03:32 PMAccording to the leftists, we should just mooo-ve on, but if Fraudoire loses, they are going to protest, protest, and protest. So much for mooo-ving on.
Stop the tax madness. It's time to ReElect Rossi.
The Democrats are terrified of a fair election with Fraudoire as their candidate.
Because of this initial skepticism, I further question list of people contacted. No information is provided other than "telephone interviews with 800 registered voters in Washington, aged 18+ ..." Where did they get the list? Political affiliations/preferences of the organization that provided the list and the people contacted? How could they confirm that those contacted were registered voters and over the age of 18 other than verbally? Doc also pointed out, above, that there's no mention of the counties where these poll respondents resided.
Stefan has relied on this same Georgia PR company in the past to provide questionable poll results.
Posted by: Al Hedstrom on May 20, 2005 04:25 PM
Gosh, for a second Al I thought you were referring to Former Attorney General Gregoire.
Thorny issue issue, those polls, what with verifying if people are registered voters or not. Since you feel so strongly about that, I'm sure you are backing Dino Rossi's case next week.
Glad to have you on board!!
Posted by: On the Far Right Side of the State on May 20, 2005 04:50 PM"We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts -- not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution." - Abraham Lincoln
"God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it." - Daniel Webster
"The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible." - Senator Hubert H. Humprey (D-Minnesota)
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Posted by: Elvis is the King County on May 20, 2005 05:21 PMA drought is not defined by how much water falls as rain in King County, but by snow-pack in the mountains.
The rest of the state, and to lesser degree even Western Washington, depends on that snow to melt slowly between now and july to keep the reservoirs full. This year the snow's already pretty much gone.
Those spiffy lakes on I90 just past Snoqualmie Pass keep half of the irrigated land in Central Washington growing fruit, grapes and other agricultural products that you eat, and through exports via Western Washington harbors and by rail to all over this country, represents a big chunk of this state's economy.
So, yes there is a drought and yes, Rossi would also have made the same call. Its based on snow - not rain!
Posted by: DeadWood on May 20, 2005 05:25 PMThere are NO REGISTERED REPUBLICANS in King or any other county in Washington. This state doesn't register voters by party.
I like my independence and hope the state keeps open registration, even if we lose open primaries.
Posted by: DeadWood on May 20, 2005 05:30 PMSo we lost 5 inches. I still have moss growing on everything and I don't water my yard.
Now, am I republican or democrat?
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[Middle English, from Old English drgoth;; akin to drge, dry.]
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droughty adj.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
drought
n 1: a temporary shortage of rainfall 2: a prolonged shortage
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drought
From the middle of May to about the middle of August the land of Palestine is
dry. It is then the "drought of summer" (Gen. 31:40; Ps. 32:4), and the land
suffers (Deut. 28:23: Ps. 102:4), vegetation being preserved only by the dews
(Hag. 1:11). (See DEW.)
Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
The former Attorney General is not believed to be the rightful winner any more than 3 months ago, in spite of all of her pap and bluster (for further evidence, see Springtime for Gregoire and Washington's lyrics by Pseudotuga - hilarious !)
Posted by: KS on May 20, 2005 11:09 PM
It'll be like the Heat against the Bullets. Your toast.
It is you're, dingus. Remember, you claimed to be smarter than us.
Posted by: JAK on May 20, 2005 11:49 PMWell...liberal King 5 News ran a poll tonight showing 58% of those polled in the state believe Rossi actually won the Governors race!
37% believed Gregoire won......
Let's face it.....She wasn't the credible winner of the election and now that she's been in office and reneged on her campaign promises...the majority of the people of the state of Washington want her gone - quickly. 58% wanting Rossi - shows that even those who DID vote for her - now want her gone!
Posted by: Deborah on May 21, 2005 12:33 AM(How could they possibly be impartial ;'}
Posted by: alphabet soup on May 21, 2005 07:15 AMThe reason for this is simple. Your faucet and farmers fields are tied by pipes to reservoirs that store water in the mountains. These reservoirs get their water during the peak use months (believe it nor not people actaully use more water in the summer than in the winter) from melting snow in the Cascades.
The problem with rain is that we don't have enough storage (dams) to capture enough to see us through the dry months (July to September). We are dependent on the snow to melt and slowly release water during the summer to keep the existing reservoirs full.
So even though we seem to have plenty of rain this spring in Western Washington, we will have a shortage later this summer. Whether the shortage will lead to lawn water bans will depend on how much rain falls over the summer.
The problem is huge in Central and Eastern Washington. They don't get much rain to begin with, even when we get a lot here. SO snow melt is pretty much their only source of water.
Posted by: DeadWood on May 21, 2005 09:42 AMI can't anser that question. What I do know is that Seattle, Tacoma, and Everett flush water out of their dams to create flows that mimic storm evens. This is what is referred to as "Normative FLows" by the fish folks.
The reason for this practice is that the Feds required this when they renewed their hydro power licenses. While I think this is good idea in most years, I wonder about how smart this will be in excessivly dry summers or when there is little to no snow pack like this year.
Posted by: Deadwood on May 21, 2005 09:47 AM1. The only "draught emergencies" that I can recall occurring in Western Washington happened after a draw-down in the reservoirs had taken place earlier the same spring. I remember think at the time of one of those draw downs, "Damn! They're going too far!" Even at that, we are reliant (solely dependent) on the official line as to just exactly how close to "running dry" we actually were (and yes, I can remember the video of the Tolt Reservoir revealing the stumps that are normally underwater).
So I might not dispute what constitutes an "emergency" , but would argue whether we have ever risen to that mark (and if so, was it through mismanagement).
2. "So, yes there is a drought and yes, Rossi would also have made the same call." I don't think so. The issue revolves around situations and how one deals with them. Fraudoire panicked and over reacted. Go back and take a look at her press announcement and tell me you can't see the "deer in the headlights" look about her.
Based on everything I have seen of Dino Rossi, I seriously doubt that he would have allowed himself to be painted into a corner this way. Sure, I could see him remarking about the event (low snow pack) and urging conservation, but not the silly "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" that we saw with CG.
Posted by: alphabet soup on May 21, 2005 10:09 AMThe situation in Eastern Washington is much worse than here. With water now stored they will be able to irrigation for less than half the season. Rossi would certiainly have issued a drought declaration, even though in hindsight it is less clear there will be a problem in Western Washington.
This year it WAS called early and perhaps would not have been called for Western Washington if the former AG had waited until later, but the economy of Central Washington is going to get trashed this year over irrigation shortages.
Posted by: Deadwood on May 21, 2005 03:23 PM