1. Be nice Stefan... she came forward... if anything, she should be:
Nicole "Whistleblower" Way

Posted by: bmvaughn on May 20, 2005 11:46 AM

2. She had no choice! She was deposed in a court of law! I'd be alot happier with her if she had come forward last December with this information. We might not be having to go through all of this legal mumbo-jumbo and Chrissie wouldn't be in Olympia raising our taxes!

Posted by: Suzy homemaker on May 20, 2005 11:53 AM

3. Through 18 pages she seems VERY straight forward... time for lunch.

Posted by: Editor on May 20, 2005 11:57 AM

4. What's the body count on this election? What's the body count on your fraudulent war? Errors in judgment are not fraud. Insisting that they are, is. Do you now know what is, is?

Posted by: headless lucy on May 20, 2005 12:02 PM

5. Lucy, you have a point but it is hard to dispute sworn testimony that talks of conspiracy to commit a felony by the supervisors themselves and then also under oath admit to carrying out the conspiracy.

I guess I'm reluctantly going to have to move myself into the "wait and see what other criminal bombshells emerge in court" camp.

This week has been devastating as to the inner workings of King County. At this point I don't know what to believe.

Posted by: who'dathunk! on May 20, 2005 12:12 PM

6. who'dathunk!

Well that is a breath of fresh air, and probably not he easiest thing to say! You certainly should be comended. The MSM should take note.

The point of this blog, despite the, at times, extreme and disrespectful posts, was to find out the facts, not to underhandedly overturn an election. From the beginning it appeared that things were not adding up and THAT is the reason people wanted more information. Now after six months some hard facts under oath are coming out.

Posted by: Fred on May 20, 2005 12:19 PM

7. At this point I don't know what to believe.

Believe this: fraud has been committed in the King County election process.
It was intentional deception.

To recap: fraud, fraud, fraud.

Posted by: otto on May 20, 2005 12:21 PM

8. Okay, a little farther down and her forthrightness makes her look incompetent... IT HAND'T CROSSED HER MIND the possibility of added ballots should be a concern?

Posted by: Editor on May 20, 2005 12:24 PM

9. Lucy:

You are mixing apples and oranges---and your diatribe has little merit....do you know what the body count was under Saddam Hussein...or was that an error in judgement?

Posted by: sue gill rose on May 20, 2005 12:25 PM

10. Someone please enlighten me. Has it been standard operating procedure for a representative of Teamsters Local Union No. 117 to attend the deposition hearings? I haven't noticed that before, but I also didn't pay as much attention to the other dep's. Also, if the Teamsters are present, why isn't there a BIAW attorney present as well?

Posted by: hoffman on May 20, 2005 12:26 PM

11. HL:
You don't do yourself or your party and service by constantly trying to change the subject to the war in Iraq. This is "Sound Politics", not "US Politics." The fact of the matter is that serveral of those deposed have admitted to improper conduct in the November elections.
Ms Way admits to conspiring with her boss to falsify an election document. That is fact and there is no other way to put it. Dean Logan has admitted that he knew the canvasing report was not acurate when it was submitted to the Secretary of State. No matter how you spin it, those are the facts.

Posted by: Robert-in-Tacoma on May 20, 2005 12:27 PM

12. Lucy,

Do you even realise how much of a spoiled, petulant ten year old brat throwing a temper tantrum you look like?

By the way, in this "fraudulant war", 1,600 soldiers gave their live, and by most reputable accounts... even the UN agrees on this... 12,000 to 17,000 Iraqi civilians have died. Most of those deaths were due to insurgants carbombing people going to work, praying in mosques, or waiting in line to join the police force to protect people. 17,000 killed by insurgants in two years is a lot less than Saddam would kill in a two year span. Think of how many people would be dead right now if we hadn't invaded.

Posted by: Mike H on May 20, 2005 12:28 PM

13. Has anyone thought of just ignoring HL? She's getting you all to change the subject to what she wants. Just don't answer her comments. Stay on message boys and girls...HL sure is.

Posted by: hoffman on May 20, 2005 12:30 PM

14. I'm gonna join the Democratic Party! Why? Because:

1. They need more moderates and sane people to balance out the socialists and moonbats that have hijacked the party.

2. You can get away with murder (E. Kennedy -- well manslaughter) or past membership in the KKK (Byrd), and the MSM will still love you.

3. You don't have to back up your claims with facts, and the MSM will still love you. (Kerry)

4. You don't have to have the votes to elect legislators to get your pet laws passed, because the courts will do it for you. And the MSM will still love you.

5. Their politicians aren't be labeled as 'Liberal' in the MSM (even if they are) which saves paper. 'Conservative' is a long word, and the MSM uses it liberally (pun intended) which is a waste of trees.

6. You can perpetrate election fraud to get your candidate elected, and the MSM will stil love and defend you.

Posted by: starboardhelm on May 20, 2005 12:34 PM

15. hoffman,

If we ignore her and she goes away, then whom would we continue to laugh at? =) She/he's more entertaining in than anything (in a train wreck sort of way).

Posted by: Mike H on May 20, 2005 12:41 PM

16. hoffman,
Just a guess but I doubt the other people deposed are part of the union, Logan and Huenikens. And anytime an exploritory hearing is held that may lead to some form of disciplinary action a union member is allowed union representation. It stems back to a federal court case, can't remember which one and when because I haven't had to deal with unions for a while (Thank God!).

Posted by: ChuckyJ on May 20, 2005 12:45 PM

17. well, I read about as much of it as I could handle...

I kept getting this mental image of the frog in the water with the slowly rising heat. Or, to put it another way, like in watching a cheesy horror flick, shouting at the screen to not turn the doorknob.

I will say this, up through page 50 or so, clearly Bill and Dean knew about the problems and did not move proactively. By the time election day came, they were dead men walking, accountability-speaking. They had no prayer of being able to correctly do their jobs.

In the real world, managers that do not do their jobs become unemployed. Add a coverup and you add orange jumpsuits.

Posted by: scott158 on May 20, 2005 12:46 PM

18. Ooo! Ooo! Page 44 starts to get interesting!

Posted by: Editor on May 20, 2005 12:47 PM

19. Mike H
Good point.

ChuckyJ
Thanks for the explanation.

Posted by: hoffman on May 20, 2005 12:50 PM

20. who'dathunk!
Thanks, if it can happen to one of us, it can happen to all of us. (Election fraud and/or seeing the truth)

Truth, honest elections, fair play for all, no matter who is elected.

Posted by: Son of Liberty on May 20, 2005 12:54 PM

21. Headless Lucy,
"fraud" is legally defined as "a deception deliberately practiced to secure unfair or unlawful gain." Certifying an election process as complete and accurate on Dec 23, 2004. Then having that same office claiming to find 98 ballots over 100 days later. This would, by the legal definition given above, be fraud. Since it is "unfair" to those voters in King County, who did "not" have their "legally cast" ballots counted at the time the election was held. And that "is" what "is" means.

Posted by: Mike P on May 20, 2005 12:59 PM

22. What this trial, and ancillary discovery, depositions etc will uncover is that there was a deliberate and systematic attempt by the KC Democrat Machine and KC's top election officials to put in place a system by which anyone with a proclivity to case extralegal votes to do so.

This has been the Democrat's modus operandi in every single Democrat stronghold nation wide up until now. I have been waiting decades for this trial. If you think the Democratic National Committee isn't flipped out about this, you are living in a dream world. What has me ROTFLMAO is that they are simply caught in a trap from which there is no escape and it is a trap they set themselves by not keeping Sim’s and Company under adult supervision. Within weeks of today the KC Democrat Machine will be decimated, their entire leadership will be irrelevant, Democrats nationwide will be trying to distance themselves from them (but what this trial will provide is evidence that what everyone has suspected has been going on, has in fact been going on).

The National leadership of the Democrat Party should have known better than to force the issue on this election and should have gotten word to KC the ‘the gig is up’ back in November or early December. They cannot throw in the towel now, all they can do is stick to their story. What has worked in this scheme in the past is that there was a veil of ‘plausible deniability’ built in. In King County the Democrats had become so arrogant that they thought that they could get away with ANYTHING. What they didn’t count on was Dino and a Republican Party that wasn’t a bunch of total cowards as it had always been in the past.

Their goose is cooked.

Posted by: JDH on May 20, 2005 01:09 PM

23. Of course, the more insidious take on this scenerio is.... The 98 ballots were part of an over all plot to insure a particular parties victory at any cost. These were never valid ballots. And the person responsable could not dispose of them before they were found. But that too is fruad.

Posted by: Mike P on May 20, 2005 01:10 PM

24. It was Way's and Fell's duty to properly, correctly and legally submitted the Mail Ballot Report. The should have, by law, ethically and morally stood up and said hold the phone we have a problem. We cannot account for the Mail Ballots we need to find a way to resolve this problem.

They choose instead the easy way out, the were in a position of public trust where duty required them to do the hard, right thing.

They not only failed, they took an active role in falsifying the records. Once the deed was done, they did not come forward when it became apparent the such actions effected the outcome of the election. They only admitted their actions when push came to shove and the cost of remaining silent longer was going to be higher than being forthcoming under oath.

No sympathy here for Way and Fells. The had abundant opportunity to do the right thing, only when cornered did they finally tell the truth.

Posted by: JCM on May 20, 2005 01:14 PM

25. who'dathunk
It takes a person of open mind to admit the possibility of being wrong. For your admission you have gained respect from me.

As for HL, Stefan says anyone can stay on this blog who contributes to the conversation. She doesn't and actually does everything possible to disrupt the conversation. So, what can we do about her? Stefan, since she makes every attempt to go off topic with slander, contempt, and misinformation is there anything you will allow us to do?

Posted by: Mark Beyer on May 20, 2005 01:15 PM

26. Not only no sympathy here, I believe that conspiracy to fraudulently affect an election by election officials should carry a 20 year mandatory term if convicted.

Posted by: JDH on May 20, 2005 01:16 PM

27. Personally, I am sick of pointing out she is wrong by my using facts over and over and over and over. She doesn't care if she is right, she only cares if she can pick her scabs.

Posted by: Mark Beyer on May 20, 2005 01:17 PM

28. According to this deposition Nicole Way, Dean Logan was there. As I remember it Logan told the voters, us, that the counts were accurate. We have always known that he was covering up but this proves it, along with other issues. It would be a lot of fun to watch Logan and Sims squirm under oath. Oh what ever will the PI do now???

Posted by: RussS on May 20, 2005 01:23 PM

29. The fraud perp list keeps getting longer. Which also means Logan committed perjury in his earlier deposition.

Posted by: Mark Beyer on May 20, 2005 01:27 PM

30. Mark Beyer--
I can tell how frustrated you are by headless lucy. Rather than rejection, we should offer her pity. You see, Headless Lucy used to be a logger by the name of Luke. Luke had an unfortunate accident where he set a running chain saw in his lap. The saw flipped over and alas....Headless Lucy was born!!! Not a pretty birth...actually, kind of painful and bloody. But can you see the need for compassion Mark??

Then to make matters worse, headless lucy goes to work for the guv'mint in a school district. Apparently part of his/now her job description is to blog on government time using a government internet connection on a government computer in a government office in a government building.
So you see...we actually NEED headless lucy...to show our kids someone they DON'T want to emulate.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on May 20, 2005 01:39 PM

31. Never forget folks that Ron Sims is the puppet master for logan, He had to have been in on it too.

Posted by: Harley Guy on May 20, 2005 01:42 PM

32. Mr. Mark Beyer,
Yes Headless is a very different voice here. But if she is not aloud to speak out and be heard (you don't have to respond), than if I disagree with something here that has bigger support, will I be shut out? Or you can be cut out. Nelson has turned a corner and so has who'dathunk. Thats two. The wonderful thing about a public form is that all voices can be heard and maybe some minds can change.

Besides, she's very entertaining, and bigger than the Beatles.

Posted by: Son of Liberty on May 20, 2005 01:43 PM

33. Having friends with brain damaged and autistic children it saddens me so much to see HL's similar break from reality. It woudl be ok if she was capable of making rational thought, instead, she is like the addict begging along the street. Eventually you stop feeling pity for her and marginalize her as a depraved person who is removed fro the view of the children. Who knows, maybe she is Mary K Letourneau in disguise.

Posted by: Mark Beyer on May 20, 2005 01:45 PM

34. Son
Your right, still, she can't change, she needs a rational mind to do so. I'm still waiting for her to make a rational comment. 5 months and she still hasn't.

Posted by: Mark Beyer on May 20, 2005 01:48 PM

35. "Lucy, you have a point...."

Yea, but if you part your hair the other way, they might not notice....

Posted by: alphabet soup on May 20, 2005 01:49 PM

36. Expect to see all kinds of stories in the PI about Bush and Iraq and how bad Bush is. The PI will print anything else to keep this testimony off the front page.

Posted by: pbj on May 20, 2005 01:55 PM

37. I'm on page 28 and the number of times she has said "I don't remember" or "I'm not sure" is really getting bothersome. Especially when it's about mundane stuff like when she actually started working there full time. Who forgets such a thing?

Then there is the part where she [i]does[/i] remember being told by Dean Logan to make sure that she is using the same numbers as Scott Turnbull, but then she answers "I'm not sure" to the question of whether or not their numbers matched.

She looks to me to be the perfect example of the Stereotypical Government Worker that we all make fun of and complain about. This is the only job she's ever held since High School, and all she has to do is "just enough" to stay entrenched for life, with no worry about doing her job correctly or accurately. This is basically another form of public welfare, but we are paying an even high price because in addition to benefiting from our tax dollars, she is also capable of directly influencing the lives of millions of people based on how sloopily she does her job.

She can't remember how she did her job, she admits to not following instruction from her boss, and she admits falsify reports. And that's just another day in the life for her and King County Elections.

What do our county auditors do if not look into processes like these? It seems that the more layers of the onion we peel back, the more rotten the core looks. It's as if no one is taking the responsibility to ensure that the people working for them are actually doing their jobs. Truely the blind leading the blind. Is this really the best we can expect from our Government?

Posted by: Jason on May 20, 2005 01:56 PM

38. I guess openness, transparency and responsibility that Logan claimed was taken in the election process is no longer a defendable statement. We that followed this have always known of their dishonesty but now everyone does. I wonder what Ron Sims has to say now. Go David Irons!!!

Posted by: RussS on May 20, 2005 02:09 PM

39. Am I the only one that finds it funny that the computer system is called DIMS??

Posted by: pbj on May 20, 2005 02:15 PM

40. Democrat
Inspired
Manipulation
System

Posted by: pbj on May 20, 2005 02:19 PM

41. "Am I the only one that finds it funny that the computer system is called DIMS??"

After SIMS. Kinda like UNIX and MULTICS, or B and C...

Posted by: Dogbert on May 20, 2005 02:28 PM

42. yeah...at first I was scanning, and thought DIMS referred to a particular person. not far off, though.

back in the old days, the Group Health membership accounts system was MASE, pronounced "Maze".

equally a propos.

I was gonna do a joke linking HL with the Mel Brooks/Young Frankenstein crowd...but its difficult to top a chainsaw...'tho we did have lightening yesterday...

I have no clue what it'll take to get a smoking gun with the Dems and msm. Pehaps a new occupant in the state mansion. They knew and covered up...jeeze...

Posted by: scott158 on May 20, 2005 02:28 PM

43. "Expect to see all kinds of stories in the PI about Bush and Iraq and how bad Bush is. The PI will print anything else to keep this testimony off the front page."

Like this? http://www.freakingnews.com/view.asp?entry=13964&display=photoshop

Posted by: Dogbert on May 20, 2005 02:33 PM

44. It will be interesting to see how the MSM becomes interested in fraud and waste the day after Gov. Dinno is sworn in!

Posted by: Fred on May 20, 2005 02:35 PM

45. Dogbert,

That's hilarious!

Posted by: Mike H on May 20, 2005 02:41 PM

46. Isn't this a hoot? In this morning's Olympian - "Vote official accused of false report"
State Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance said the deposition is a part of the case that Dino Rossi's lawyers hope to use at trial next week to show there was fraudulent activities in the Nov. 2 election.
But state Democratic Party Chairman Paul (crybaby) Berendt downplayed the Republicans' efforts, saying the GOP is changing tactics because its main case, which relies on allegations of illegal felon votes tipping the election result to Gregoire, is falling apart.
"They keep trying to bring out new theories to see if they will "stick," Berendt said.
Fraud, he said, "has not been rgued in court."

Posted by: Gil on May 20, 2005 03:43 PM

47. OK..I'm off to read the Way deposition...

But from what I've heard so far...I get the impression she is the appointed sponge for election backlash... I'll know for sure once I've read her deposition....

It would be just like Sims and King County to use a low position employee to admit to fraudulent acts in the election - yet plead ignorance - thus allowing Sims, Logan and Huennekns to walk! Way is a shock absorber....

(oh...and quit responding to HL. I'm tired of having to read through all of the *off topic* banter to get to the meat of these threads! We DO NOT owe HL a response - and DO NOT have to be PeeCee here! )

Posted by: Deborah on May 20, 2005 04:14 PM

48. Interesting:
The two top precincts with more votes than voters were won by Gregoire.
The two top precincts with more voters than votes were won by Rossi.
What a coincidence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Norm on May 20, 2005 04:58 PM

49. Hmmm....

I'm up to page 67......From what I gather so far...
1.Ms. Way has stated that the tallys we read on the KC and SoS websites during the election and recounts were bogus!
2.That Bill Huennekens and Dean Logan knew about the bogus numbers before the election was certified.
3.That there is a database to check a voters history in King County - which may come in handy with the Felon voters....
4.. That the initial request to review the 735 *miscanvassed* (No signature on file) ballots came from a rumor that Larry Phillips ballot was among them - though it doesn't appear that anyone other than Bill Huennekens had actually checked the ballots for Phillips name...
5.That those mysterious 735 *miscanvassed* ballots - which included Larry Phillips vote - were mined from a group of 1500 invalid ballots soley by Bill Huennekens and taken unsupervised by Huennekens to another facility....

More to come....

I must admit - Way did some serious damage to Huennekens and Logan so far......

Posted by: Deborah on May 20, 2005 05:17 PM

50. Alright, perjury charges all around.

Posted by: Mark Beyer on May 20, 2005 05:48 PM

51. refresh my memory...Was that the 1968 riots and famous S.D.S. chant: "The whole world's watching...!!??"

The nation is watching...hope we do what's necessary. Painful as it may be.

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on May 20, 2005 07:53 PM

52. JDH
"Their Goose Is Cooked"
Your comments regarding the Democrats is dead on!
My hope is that this trial drags on for weeks with all of the dirty facts brought to the surface. With any luck it will be so sickening even the MSM won't be able to look the other way. If the NRP helps spotlight the trial it could just have an effect which reachs the national level.
Election Reform? What a thought!
Call The First Witness!

Posted by: Keith on May 20, 2005 09:01 PM

53. I just hope Keith that it only takes long enough to nullify the election and Rossi to get in and save this state. As to what happens next I hope they prosecute them all, including Sims. At leaset this is going to make it difficult for Sims to win another election. He will probably end up as president of the U of W. Karma be damned

Posted by: RussS on May 20, 2005 09:37 PM

54. It was big news that Nicole Way testified that she and her immediate superior, Garth Fell, agreed to prepare that "mail ballot report" the way they did -- namely by adding the number of ballots counted in the GEMS vote tabulating system to the number of ballots set aside as rejected in order to get the "ballots returned" figure.

When will the news media notice that pages 239-242 of the deposition of Garth Fell show Fell testified that his immediate superior, Bill Huennekens, was aware -- before the Nov. 17 "certification" -- of the way that fake report was prepared?

Posted by: Micajah on May 20, 2005 11:27 PM

55. RussS--
Bingo--"...save the state..." that's EXACTLY how I feel in light of this whole mess and the flurry of "laws" passed.

I don't care about partisan politics. Hang ALL the dirty laundry out & get the orange jumpsuits out. We deserve better. Purge time. Like hugging the bowl & barfing, we will all feel better when REAL justice is done.

If this whole thing dies (via no felons or reforms), our state will soon follow. Inaction, leaderless navigation, union chokeholds and political correctness run amok will be our epitaph. We are better than that. Let someone else be a second-rate state.

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on May 21, 2005 06:24 AM

56. Micajah--
What the heck..do you now have "psychic powers"???
Keith Ervins reported what Fell said about Huennekens in today's Seattle TImes!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on May 21, 2005 07:08 AM

57. Mrs. way is a wonderful person who made a critical error in judgement. I know her personally, and beleive me, if you knoew her as well, none of you would be say anything bad about her.

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