April 15, 2005
Diary of a Mad Left Congressman

Via Little Green Footballs:

Congressman Jim McDermott (Moonbat-Seattle), who disgracefully aligned himself with Saddam Hussein and against the US in the run-up to the Iraq War, and was recently given a public official of the year award by radical Islamic front group CAIR, now has his own Daily Kos diary.
Daily Kos, for those of you who don't know and why should you, is a far-far-left group blog, infamous for the kind sentiments of its leader (i.e.- "Screw them") towards Americans murdered and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.

If you think that freedom is just another word for nothin' left to lose, you probably are a Kos reader, and/or a McDermott supporter.

Posted by Brian Crouch at April 15, 2005 02:46 PM | Email This
Comments
1. Well, he's got to do something. He's not going to have a job for much longer.

Any of the SP crew want to do some deeper research on this? I'm out of town this weekend.

Posted by: Timothy on April 15, 2005 03:01 PM
2. Well, he's got to do something. He's not going to have a job for much longer.

Any of the SP crew want to do some deeper research on this? I'm out of town this weekend.

Posted by: Timothy on April 15, 2005 03:08 PM
3. I met Bahgdad Jim once... and he was just a pompous, arrogant @$$ who lived in his own little world. This is just one more reason I'm glad I now live in Reichart's district.

Posted by: Mike H on April 15, 2005 03:20 PM
4. Should McDermott really be the one bringing up “ethical skeletons” when his own closet resembles a fully-occupied catacomb?

Posted by: MNM on April 15, 2005 03:41 PM
5. I'd really like to know how McDermott gets elected. Are the constituents that willfully blind???? No shame at all.

Posted by: Danny on April 15, 2005 04:17 PM
6. Brian, I'd like to respectfully disagree with your description of Baghdad Jim as a moonbat. A moonbat in Seattle is considered to be a moderate.


I would suggest he is a barking moonbat.

Posted by: South County on April 15, 2005 04:21 PM
7. a FARKING barking moonbat.

Posted by: Bleeding heart conservative on April 15, 2005 04:26 PM
8. And to think this guy regularly wins with some 80% of the vote in his Seattle district!

Just another reason to form Cascade County and leave those 80% alone to freak each other out.

Posted by: Michele on April 15, 2005 04:31 PM
9. I talked to Adam Smith once at an event sponsored by my company. Even the dems can't stand Bagdhad Jim. Problem is the GOP keeps running cranks opposite him.

Posted by: Steve on April 15, 2005 04:47 PM
10. Actually, I'd say that the Dems won't put him out by running a credible Democrat against him in the primary. What are they afraid of?

Posted by: Michele on April 15, 2005 04:52 PM
11. I don't think the King County Republicans try to field a candidate. They are gleeful when someone is willing to work at campaigning against all odds in the Seattlestan district inhabited by Baghdad Jim. Sisyphus comes to mind.

The King County Republicans could use some energetic leadership also, ever met Mike Young? Pat Herbold, Reed Davis they all have sucked.

Posted by: Bob on April 15, 2005 04:57 PM
12. Jim (Felony transfer of illegal tapes) McDimwitt gets 80% of the vote in his district. A standup kind of Dem wouldn't have a chance let alone a Rep of any stripe. Why waste the effort? Foaming Barking Moonbats are the norm on Capital Hill, they cluster there so they don't have to talk to others with other opinions (tolerance you see) and don't have to face reality.

Posted by: JCM on April 15, 2005 04:58 PM
13. There is absolutely noting wrong with the people that run again Jim McDimwitt. No his district in full freaks, plain and simple, he is a perfect match for them. No one with any sign of intelligence and honesty could win in that congressional district. To those of you living in Seattle, who have an IQ over 70. You are vastly outnumbered by those who do not.

Posted by: Verne on April 15, 2005 05:11 PM
14. One potential consequence of the restructuring of the primary to a top-two format would be to have people such as Baghdad Jim face off against a more moderate Democrat, especially in the absence of credible Republican candidates in the 7th. I can almost envision the Jim Carrey movie now, Liberal and Liberaler.

Posted by: chunkstyle on April 15, 2005 05:14 PM
15. A great example of the Barking Moonbat type that votes for Baghdad Jim was on John Carlson's show this week.

She's a professor at the UW, a "public health expert" or something forgetable like that (does not live in the real world), and lead the Garfield PTSA attempt to boot the military recruiters from the Seattle Public Schools.

She quoted the widely discredited (even by the BBC) Lancet article claiming 100,000 Iraqi civilian deaths due to "Bush's Haliburton Oil Grab" (her words).

'nuff said.

Posted by: Shaun on April 15, 2005 05:18 PM
16. Yeh ole Bagdad Bob hasn't apparently read yesterday's NY Times article on the mass graves of Saddam's victims (over 1300 victims, and many are yet unfound). He is a piece of work to have aligned himself with this murderer!

For your own reading, here is the article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/15/international/middleeast/15graves.html?ei=5065&en=c85059724268b94e&ex=1114228800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&position=

April 15, 2005
Iraqis Find Graves Thought to Hold Hussein's Victims
By ROBERT F. WORTH

AGHDAD, Iraq, April 14 - Investigators have discovered several mass graves in southern Iraq that are believed to contain the bodies of people killed by Saddam Hussein's government, including one estimated to hold 5,000 bodies, Iraqi officials say.

The graves, discovered over the past three months, have not yet been dug up because of the risks posed by the continuing insurgency and the lack of qualified forensic workers, said Bakhtiar Amin, Iraq's interim human rights minister. But initial excavations have substantiated the accounts of witnesses to a number of massacres. If the estimated body counts prove correct, the new graves would be among the largest in the grim tally of mass killings that have gradually come to light since the fall of Mr. Hussein's government two years ago. At least 290 grave sites containing the remains of some 300,000 people have been found since the American invasion two years ago, Iraqi officials say.

Forensic evidence from some graves will feature prominently in the trials of Mr. Hussein and the leaders of his government. The trials are to start this spring.

One of the graves, near Basra, in the south, appears to contain about 5,000 bodies of Iraqi soldiers who joined a failed uprising against Mr. Hussein's government after the 1991 Persian Gulf war. Another, near Samawa, is believed to contain the bodies of 2,000 members of the Kurdish clad led by Massoud Barzani.

As many as 8,000 men and boys from the clan disappeared in 1983 after being rounded up in northern Iraq by security forces at the command of Ali Hassan al-Majid, widely known as Chemical Ali. It remains unclear, however, how the victims ended up in the south.

Investigators have also discovered the remains of 58 Kuwaitis spread across several sites, including what appears to be a family of two adults and five children who were crushed by a tank, Mr. Amin said. At least 605 Kuwaitis disappeared at the time of the first gulf war, and before the latest graves were discovered, fewer than 200 had been accounted for, he added.

A smaller site was discovered near Nasiriya earlier this week. Arabic satellite television showed images of residents digging up remains there.

Mr. Amin declined to give the exact locations of the graves, saying it could endanger witnesses to the massacres and anyone working at the sites.

One obstacle to exhuming bodies has been an absence of DNA labs and forensic anthropologists in Iraq, Mr. Amin said.

In the aftermath of Mr. Hussein's fall, thousands of Iraqis overran mass grave sites, digging for their relatives' remains with backhoes, shovels, even their bare hands. A number of sites were looted, making identification of victims difficult, said Hanny Megally, Middle East director for the International Center for Transitional Justice.

The American occupation authority, after some initial hesitation, began classifying grave sites, and international teams began traveling to the sites in 2003 to conduct assessments or exhumations. But toward the end of 2004, rising violence led nearly all the teams to abandon their work.

Only one site has been fully examined, a grave of Kurdish victims in northern Iraq, Mr. Megally said. That work was overseen by the Regime Crimes Liaison Office, which is gathering evidence for the trials of Mr. Hussein and his deputies.

The interim Iraqi government, working with the United Nations, has drawn up plans for a National Center for Missing and Disappeared Persons that would have authority over all aspects of the process, from exhumations to providing assistance to victims' families.

Posted by: GS on April 15, 2005 05:33 PM
17. Off with their headless lucies!!!

That is all.

Posted by: niceville on April 15, 2005 05:45 PM
18. I live in Jim McDermott's district, and I'm one of the 20% who votes against him. His longevity has nothing to do with his Republican opposition. He would win 80% if he were running against Abraham Lincoln, because the Civil War wouldn't be worth fighting to the residents in our district. And the Democratic Party will never allow someone to run against him. He is a shoe-in in a 'safe' district.

It shows the character of the Democratic Party that they would rather keep an unscrupulous, immoral, arrogant man convicted of knowing and willful misconduct with malice, than run someone who is more mainstream and trustworthy.

Posted by: Larry on April 15, 2005 05:59 PM
19. Geesh, Larry!

You're in McDimwit's district? God Bless you!

Posted by: Shaun on April 15, 2005 06:29 PM
20. Didn't Bagdad Bob almost become our governor ???

Posted by: DRE on April 15, 2005 07:03 PM
21. Re McDermott: Anyone ever try to find out what patients & parents thought of him when he was practicing his "pediatric Psychiatry" in private practice or why he left that for government work? Any guesses about what his income was? He is in a safe district & they deserve him! He's an example of the pot calling the kettle black when it comes to ethics. He's a marginalized liberal DemocRAT & will never go any further. Pity the Seattlistas who keep sending him to Congress where he's a cipher.

Posted by: Clean House on April 15, 2005 07:07 PM
22. Jim McD. always re-elected? Never understood this. Well, ya get what ya vote for!! Hey--wait--can I STILL say that deez dayz?! Sheeeesh! You are as sophisticated as what you vote into office. Ergo, don't put an orifice into office.

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on April 15, 2005 07:18 PM
23. Verne...there are people living in Seattle with I.Q's over 70? Get outta here....who do you think will believe that for a moment?
Living in Seattle is a sure sign that you are not only way below 70...but 70 is something you WOULD aspire to IF you could actually read or think for yourself..........

Posted by: christmasghost on April 15, 2005 07:32 PM
24. I actually saw on some leftwing blog a group complaining that McDermott was not liberal enough. They reasoned that he was in a safe seat and could not lose so he should stop being so conservative and get out there and lead with some progressive ideas.

Posted by: Huey on April 15, 2005 07:46 PM
25. McDermott is the poster boy for what the left wing of the Democrat party has become - brazen, partisan and socialistic - they admire totalitarian governments (i.e. as Bagdad Jim held up Sadaam). As Michael Savage's book says they have a mental disorder - like the Headless Lucy's, Nelsons, Uncle Witz and the remainder of the trolls.

They engage in hate-mongering, playing the race or homophobe card if people don't agree with their agenda - they really despise free speech. The don't oppose policies on their merits, but rather because the Republicans support them. That is the Democrat party in general and have no constructive solutions - just bigger government, higher taxes, little if any law enforcement. They are making much of middle America sick as they are defecating on their constituents at a state level - with the Democrat Legislature promoting a socialist agenda, just like Hillary Clinton really wants to promote at a national level if enough brain-dead sheeple happen to elect her in 2008 - God forbid !

Come to think of it, the left wing agenda pretty much describes King County's government at the top and the way the temporary governor would like to rule.

Posted by: KS on April 15, 2005 08:53 PM
26. I also live in McDermott's district and never, ever have voted for him. I was outraged by his support for Saddam Hussein. My neighbors generally seem like average people, and I just can't understand why so many vote for him. Most of my co-workers get all their news from NPR, and just vote straight Democratic ticket without ever even thinking about it. The closest I've been able to figure it is that they think it is nicer and more unselfish to be a Democrat or a leftist. They just don't seem to take politics seriously. One of the people at work even sent his kid to Cuba with his high school class for a field trip, can you believe it? This is a guy I respect and yet stuff like this really gravels me. Probably I should move out of here as I always feel so out of step.

Posted by: wilinsky on April 15, 2005 09:15 PM
27. One Nation Under ... , Indivisible,

Oh Jim McDumbnut! Did GOD get stuck in your throat?

Posted by: Splatter on April 15, 2005 10:59 PM
28. All the colorful metaphors about McDermott aside I wonder more about his consistent 80% margin election after election. I wonder what the Shark may have in all those records concerning what REALLY is going on? Somehow I have suspicions about the 7th district. There can't be THAT many moombats in one place without a black hole developing...

Posted by: Victor on April 15, 2005 11:08 PM
29. Hey willinsky...come on over here to east Lake Sammamish area; the water's fine, Dino lives here, and we always send Republicans to Olympia!

Posted by: Michele on April 15, 2005 11:20 PM
30. Well from my perspective, most people in his district do not vote for him, I suppose the King County Election department counts the votes for him, and that explains everything about him always winning!

Posted by: GS on April 16, 2005 12:00 AM
31. GS, yes I can't understand why Baghdad Jim would align himself with Saddam. I just saw a History channel segment on the rise of Saddam and how he ruled and it really just was nightmarish. Some of the stuff I wish I had just closed my eyes when they showed the gruesomeness---i.e., some lady who'd been poisoned by sarin gas from Saddam. She was badly badly disfigured and had some white balloon-looking thing protruding from her mouth that had formed from the chemicals. It was just ghastly. And the descriptions of what survivors of his torture had to say, just made me want to puke. I am completely certain that going in there and taking him out was the right thing to do. HE WAS truly the new incarnation of Stalin and Hitler. Absolutely the worst kind of dictator. those leftists who bizarrely like to say Bush is worse than Saddam really have NO idea what they are talking about.

Posted by: Michele on April 16, 2005 02:19 AM
32. There are likely a high percentage of moonbats in Bagdad McDernutt's district, but also were a high percentage of voterless ballots and provisional ballots that shouldn't have been counted there also.

" My neighbors generally seem like average people, and I just can't understand why so many vote for him. Most of my co-workers get all their news from NPR, and just vote straight Democratic ticket without ever even thinking about it. The closest I've been able to figure it is that they think it is nicer and more unselfish to be a Democrat or a leftist."

It's not quite the liberal utopia that the numbers indicate, but there are alot of brain dead passive-agressive types who come across as nicethere who choose to be ignorant and believe that kind of stuff, which is simply living a lie - once the light of truth is shown - brainwashed by MSM is one of the main reasons. They need to somehow be challenged about their beliefs - Willinsky. Strategically place anti-McDermott demonstrations would be a start - sure there will be left-wing loons/moonbats who spew their propaganda and change the argument about hating Bush, but for the good of this planet - he and his ilk need to be brought down.

Posted by: KS on April 16, 2005 10:26 AM
33. I live in McDermott's district and have to admit I left his and the Gov's blank unfilled. As to Verne's opinion that there is absolutely nothing wrong with McDermott's opposition, I present you with the latest one's credentials:

Experience:
1977-2000 teacher, public and private schools; Christian; wife; mother; homemaker; Republican; a grateful second-generation Italian.

Perfectly acceptable as a neighbor, but a little lacking for Congress.

Posted by: CandrewB on April 16, 2005 11:05 AM
34. Well, I agree with CandrewB for once, that Carol Cassidy's resume and persona were more than a little lacking for Congress. But saying that his opposition is not the best is not the same as saying that he consistently wins because of lackluster competition.

All throughout the neighborhood there are signs saying "Impeach Bush","Kerry/Edwards","Queen Anne Residents for Peace" (which I call "Queen Anne Residents for Osama"), and there's even a house flying a United Nations flag a few blocks away.

Yes, this place is 80% moonbats, though they seem to go to work every day and lead normal lives just like us.

I grew up in Chicago, with its politics as a frame of reference. Dirty? Yep. But the politicians would still have to DO something for you. Bring home the bacon, get business into the district, whatever. Nobody I've ever met here can tell me ONE thing that McDermott has done for the district. Zippo. Zilch. Nada. I've taken to calling him Jim McDermoot. He's moot - he does nothing.

And as I said above: It shows the character of the Democratic Party that they would rather keep an unscrupulous, immoral, arrogant man convicted of knowing and willful misconduct with malice, than run someone who is more mainstream and trustworthy.

Posted by: Larry on April 16, 2005 12:04 PM
35. That's exactly it Larry. Rostenkowski was as corrupt as they come, but he brought back boat loads of Federal cash to his district. McDermott is more concerned with being a "star".

Posted by: CandrewB on April 16, 2005 12:16 PM
36. Has anyone thought that maybe, just maybe, especially considering what happened this year with the elections that Mcdimwitt never actually got elected??????
That this has been going on for YEARS AND YEARS in Seattle and Washington in general? Do you know what the odds are of not having a Republican in the Governor's office for as long as this State has gone? And don't tell me because it's so liberal.Look at California....look at New York. This area isn't more liberal than those States. Full of more idiots...yes. more liberal...no.
Has no one grasped the fact that the only thing different about Washington is that people here are naive and apathetic and elections have just been stolen over and over all these years?
And if it wasn't for Stefan and Sound Politics they would have gotten away with it again.But he can't do it alone, and unless you all wake up and smell the coffee you will deserve exactly what you get.

Think about this....Brian Suits vote was counted in the primary but not in the general election. I will take a wild guess here...they SAW the numbers in the primary and knew they were in trouble. The fix was in long before any of us voted in the election. This is deliberate fraud, and conspiracy. get real...all of you.

Posted by: christmasghost on April 16, 2005 12:54 PM
37. Candr,

It appears that you believe that leaving McDermott's and the Gov's blank unfilled on your ballot achieved some worthy purpose? What might that be?

You are just as friggin stupid as always, and your pretense of reasonability in substitution for that of reason is truly quite amusing. Self-ingratiating rationalizations are for fools and if you had half the sense your ego credits yourself with, you would be embarrassed at revealing the patently silly pose you strike. You and McDermott are much alike--self deluded, self-righteous without cause, utterly groundless and proud of it, and your ludicrous half measure helped re-elect him. Given your track record, why should anyone believe you anyway?

A little hint: Making a fool of yourself in front of your adversaries is not a wise tactic.

What’s your next trick?

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 02:00 PM
38. Amused - Judging from the "quality" of candr's rhetoric, I would expect him/her/it to pull down it's pants and shake its privates (of lack thereof) at us.

Perhaps followed by flinging its feces at us - that seems to be a trick in vogue by democrats these days...

Posted by: alphabet soup on April 16, 2005 02:23 PM
39. The fact is that having members of the lunatic fringe in your party can have a convenient aspect to it for the other more moderate elements of the party, as they grab attention and represent an extreme that becomes a psychological limit of the possible or plausible. Then, when the mainstream of your group puts forth the real agenda, it can be sold as “moderate” by comparison, even if its so far left they can’t see the center.

It’s a variation of the good cop/bad cop routine…

Besides, it can be argued that Big Bad Jim actually accurately represents his district. Or would if he added some tattoos, leather, and body armor. The big hair thing needs an update. He could donate the amount of his salary above minimum wage to “Free Tibet.”

Posted by: scott158 on April 16, 2005 03:04 PM
40. I wanna buy all of you guys mirrors.

Because this is how the people who vote for McDermott think of you: wingnut braindead partisans. See how none of this gets anybody anywhere? Because I for one, don't think you are. I chalk it mostly up to, like most contemporary Republicans, you don't think about issues. It seems to be a general American affliction that has reared its head because craven politicians like seeing us all divided, rather than working on solutions for all. Crybabies comes to mind.

Another thing I tend to believe is that Seattle, like all large cities, isn't nearly as insular as the outlying hinterlands. But this is just natural sociolgical demographics and there is very little anyone can do about that. You will find, that as you travel further away from cities that have larger immigrant communities, tolerated and accepted gay communities, venues for public displays of art and not to mention universities, hospitals, world renowned cancer centers, museums, ports of industry, sports teams, restaurants not on "restaurant row", boutiques and farmer's markets of all sorts not affiliated with transnational corps -- like I was saying, you will find that the amount of energy spent on appreciating these things dwindles the further you get away from the city. Drive down 45th in Wallingford and look how the community has stood by the little hardware stores and other independent artisans. This is why I like it here. Of all the big cities I've lived in or visited, I would not categorize Seattle as nuts at all, but more unapologetically sane and inclusive.

You wanna know why McDermott gets 80% everytime he runs? Its because many understand that there still remains a great, vast world of experience out there, past our American obsessions -- that which we'd dearly love to have you along for the ride as opposed to a demolition derby. You cannot force people to not notice when they see an unjustified, expensive war, a rising class of citizens who show little concern for others unlike themselves and whose actions are more akin to a football league rather than a community, state, country and yes, planet on which we all share our survival and will undoubtedly always disagree.

But that's the state of politics these days and it seems some here believe that we need to "fight you" in the same way our national parties and interests have systematically abused the common goodwill. I don't know if anybody has noticed yet, but this is quickly verging on hysteria. It's at least simmering. Look at yourselves, it's gotten to you too. Nobody shall escape unscathed if this keeps up.

Let it be known, that I write all this, not in any spirit of derision, though I am wholeheartedly in respectful opposition, not so much to your ideas, but how the self-designated right has turned politics into a frightening bloodsport. Yes, this is how some feel. You may think I am wrong. But first you've gotta show me where.

Ironically, this is the first step to getting along and regaining statesmanly civility again. Which apparently, many do not want. If you would like to know the direction America is headed, I suggest you look no further than what your heart tells you. You'll only find hints to everything I've hastily outlined above if you wish to pin it all on a "barking moonbat congressman" from an equally as batty city. There is no way in hell 80% of one of the wealthiest, safest and beautiful cities in America are all insane -- we all know that damned good and well. We also know that Rep McDermott is a psychaitrist and this probably informs him more than any other factor. I think things would get a whole lot better if we all just calmed down and took stock of what we share in common. We'd get more out of it that way. . .

Posted by: The Phagosome on April 16, 2005 03:04 PM
41. Phagosome,

Thanks anyway but nobody cares what your little heart says about anything.
Rather than a mirror I would sooner take cash.
Please make payment authorization arrangements to my e-mail address.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 03:43 PM
42. Dear SoundPolitics.com:

This proud citizen of Seattle read with great amusement your name-calling rant against Seattle’s Representative to the U.S. Congress, Dr. James McDermott. This laughably simplistic attempt at propaganda notwithstanding, Rep. McDermott never “disgracefully aligned himself with Saddam Hussein”, the Reagan Administration did that, via Special Emissary Donald Rumsfeld, in 1983. In 2002, Rep. McDermott traveled to Bahgdad, to express his concern that the Bush Administration would use false claims about banned weapons to launch a needless war. Subsequent events vindicated him completely; 1,500+ (and counting) of our brave soldiers have died, as have thousands of innocent civilians, all because of the Administration’s lies.

Dr. McDermott is a true patriot of the first rank, and we here in Seattle proudly vote for a man who told us the truth. Will conservatives continue to support the Administration which lied to them?

Most Sincerely,

Patrick McArdle

Posted by: Patrick McArdle on April 16, 2005 03:52 PM
43. Whew, how's the blood pressure these days Amused?
I somehow bring out true hate with you, why? And don't say you find it all amusing... A monkey could read between those lines.

Whom should I have voted for? Please tell me oh wise one. Someone who I do not believe in, or someone who I really do not believe in, wants a theocracy, and does not have the experience to be on a chamber of commerce let alone Congress?

You know what? I voted for Bush in 2000. After seeing Gore tell tobacco farmers how proud he was to have grown it and then immediately turn around and cry to others how tobacco killed his sister told me all I needed to know; he was a shithead. And when Bush put his arm around that rescue worker after 9/11, I was actually proud to have him as my President. Things went down hill pretty quickly after that however and I couldn't wait to get his ass out of there on Nov. 2nd.

Here is something that will not surprise you:

I am wrong quite often, and I can own up to it.

I think you were intimating that old Limbaugh BS how moderates are just cowards who cannot make up their mind. WTF is wrong with comparing both sides of every story? It's good you are comfortable with flaming me with your amateur psychologist crap; you are going to have many more opportunities. Obviusly I cannot think for myself and look forward to your directional guidance.

Oh, and Phagosome, that was the smartest thing I've read on this board yet.

Posted by: CandrewB on April 16, 2005 04:01 PM
44. Thanks anyway but nobody cares what your little heart says about anything.

I rest my case. ~sigh~

Posted by: The Phagosome on April 16, 2005 04:04 PM
45. P & P There isn't time and space to address the full list of errors in your posts. And, I would argue, this isn't the proprer place.

You're not going to accomplish anything by going after the right about civility, especially in this place. Much of the emphasis of SP has been about a stolen election. There is no other accurate term for it. And, in the wake of that election, the lib/left/dems are cramming a gazillion ill-conceived and unaffordable legislation down our throats, often at odds with the voter's stated intent about spending limits.

You may not see it, but the pattern has been that the left has gone after a set of issues, and manipulated to get what they want, often using activist courts, and the right is simply reacting appropriately.

If you want civil discourse, talk to your left/lib/Dem buddies. They've been wrong about a lot for a long time, and now the right is stating it's case. It's not our fault that the left takes exception to this. Is it possible that you didn't realize that Moore was doing character assasination on real people? Or the Hollywood left? Or (name your fav dem leader here)?

Don't even bother going with the "right doesn't think" argument. The problem with lefties is that when the right disagrees with them, they don't understand reality and facts well enough to realize that the positions of the right are well-grounded. Stating otherwise will only marginalize you.

Regarding BB...I guess you weren't paying attention. I shouldn't be surprised. Well, it took Jane over 30 years to get around to admitting that her Hanoi exploits were not that hot of an idea. If you've seen BB lately, I don't think that he has that long to come to his senses. Not that I wish him ill...

As far as him being a shrink, only a fool has himself for a doctor. But that could explain a lot. And if I were you, I would not seek him out to address your manifold issues.

Posted by: scott158 on April 16, 2005 04:06 PM
46. Patty boy,

I am sure that everyone here is very impressed with your citizenship and pride, just as they are of McD's patriotism and rankness. Since you actually believe the things you say, it was fun to hear from you and, thanks very kindly for the lively note of opprobrium for your esteemed bilious McD. Thanks for the humor.

Most Sincerely,

Amused by clueless liberal ding dongs like you.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 04:10 PM
47. How can a statistical tie out of millions of votes cast, represent a stolen election?

Frankly, I don't see what "manifold issues" afflict Seattle and its upwardly mobile, relatively affluent, technologically savvy and for the most part liberal populous that don't afflict anywhere you find that people live and congregate. Really, we're all going to have to do better than that if we're going to solve the problems it appears we have.

I suggest the plank in the eye of virtually every republican party water carrier is where we should look first. Why would anyone want to align themselves with a situational and oportunistic ethicist such as Dino Rossi, when we have good people in office who, no matter how batty and dim you find their sensibilities, have stayed true to their word and their purpose. Because you see, for us citizens it never was about political power, but rather, living life in a community and country we all care about. If you think McDermott has power, you are sadly mistaken. What he is, is a representative. That is why he continues to be reelected. For all Seattle's faults, somebody somewhere here believes Rep McDermott represents them.

Even though this is all apples and oranges, I must hasten to add that Dino Rossi's paramount concerns were not that of the Washington people (nor the tepid Gregoire for that matter), but had "issues" so finely tuned to make you think what you'd be getting from a Gov Rossi was actually something that would benefit ALL Washingtonians. Which of course couldn't be further from the truth.

Posted by: The Phagosome on April 16, 2005 04:25 PM
48. O.K. Candr,

Directional guidance lesson No.1:

Glasshopper . . . pull head out of a$$

For lesson No. 2, make payment to e-mail address.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 04:27 PM
49. I'm curious Amused, by what gets you through other than hatred?

Don't you see that it's attitudes like yours that are precisely the problem? What's so amusing about discarding out of hand the positions of people you've benightedly labeled "Not like you"? Do you have any idea about how far you'd like to take this kind of "discourse"?

I'd be curious to know.

Posted by: The Phagosome on April 16, 2005 04:29 PM
50. O.K. Candr,

Directional guidance lesson No.1:

Glasshopper . . . pull head out of a$$

For lesson No. 2, make payment to e-mail address.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 04:31 PM
51. O.K. Candr,

Directional guidance lesson No.1:

Glasshopper . . . pull head out of a$$

For lesson No. 2, make payment to e-mail address.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 04:31 PM
52. O.K. Candr,

Directional guidance lesson No.1:

Glasshopper . . . pull head out of a$$

For lesson No. 2, make payment to e-mail address.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 04:31 PM
53. O.K. Candr,

Directional guidance lesson No.1:

Glasshopper . . . pull head out of a$$

For lesson No. 2, make payment to e-mail address.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 04:31 PM
54. O.K. Candr,

Directional guidance lesson No.1:

Glasshopper . . . pull head out of a$$

For lesson No. 2, make payment to e-mail address.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 04:31 PM
55. O.K. Candr,

Directional guidance lesson No.1:

Glasshopper . . . pull head out of a$$

For lesson No. 2, make payment to e-mail address.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 04:31 PM
56. O.K. Candr,

Directional guidance lesson No.1:

Glasshopper . . . pull head out of a$$

For lesson No. 2, make payment to e-mail address.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 04:31 PM
57. O.K. Candr,

Directional guidance lesson No.1:

Glasshopper . . . pull head out of a$$

For lesson No. 2, make payment to e-mail address.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 04:31 PM
58. Amused by eight duplicate posts. . .

;)

Posted by: The Phagosome on April 16, 2005 04:33 PM
59. Candr owes me for a lot of lessons.

Posted by: Amused by screw ups on April 16, 2005 04:35 PM
60. The phagosome,

What hatred? Being amused at your foolishness is not hatred.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 04:37 PM
61. C'mon, do it again.

Posted by: CandrewB on April 16, 2005 04:37 PM
62. Being amused at your foolishness is not hatred.

*rimshot*

Posted by: The Phagosome on April 16, 2005 04:43 PM
63. How can a statistical tie out of millions of votes cast, represent a stolen election?

And how can you possibly not know that those are not the same thing? Improper votes/improper counting merely move the numbers around. The absolute values of the errors are statistically significant. Especially vis-a-vis the "final" difference.

The "manifold issues" refer to character traits and professionalism, plus political issues with regards to politics and this election...not prosperity. Not holding miscreants in elections accountable is not any better for society than to not hold other malfactors accountable. If the left could see this, then perhaps there would be hope for Dems.

Posted by: scott158 on April 16, 2005 05:17 PM
64. Restaurants and small shops do not a worldview make. Immigrants, legal and illegal, find the exhorbitant prices of Seattle too high and often live outside of Sunny Jim's demesne. I lived around the world and do find the citizens of Seattle to be close-minded and insular--the only countries Seattlites would find somewhat familiar are Sweden and France. Political conversation in Seattle is so monocultural that one could be dropped blindfolded from one group to another and not miss a beat.

So it isn't Seattle's transcendent intellect and values that votes McDermott in year after year. Gerrymandering helps. The stubborn refusal to highlight both McDermott's many ethical problems and his utter irrelevance in Congress helps too. And the aforementioned Seattle monoculture helps as well.

Despite all of McDermott's ethical troubles and monomaniacal conviction in failed economic prescriptions, I didn't truly despise Sunny Jim until he went to Iraq. Paid for by an Oil-for-Food scammer, McDermott willingly became a propaganda tool for Hussein. Even worse, he returned and said that "I think you have to take the Iraqis on their value - at their face value but I think the president would mislead the American people."

To call this patriotic is sophism of the lowest sort. McDermott supports any genocidal dictator as long as the dictator is opposed to the USA. Some patriot. As has been said many times before, once the vote for war had passed (and it had), to undercut prosecution of that war is traitorous.

Posted by: iconoclast on April 16, 2005 06:13 PM
65. "Dr. McDermott is a true patriot of the first rank, and we here in Seattle proudly vote for a man who told us the truth. Will conservatives continue to support the Administration which lied to them?"

Most Sincerely,

Patrick McArdle

Troll - What have you been smoking all of these years ? Evidently, you are corrupted by socialism. The very insistance that McDermott is a patriot is questionable - he has very peculiar way of showing it (to give the benefit of a doubt). McDermott has consistently lied to the press about the war in Iraq, for which purposely aids and abets the insurgents, but didn't give a flying f*** about the safety of our troops - Don't be ridiculous, he has lied to high school students and not given them the whole story about the war in Iraq. Get your head out of where the sun don't shine and pay attention to how others in this great country evaluate him - by the way he also is a cheater as he was caught for publicizing a private phone conversation by Newt Gingrich back in 1996.

Granted, the war in Iraq was ugly and perhaps questionable - but it appears that the country is on its way to a better life for its people and a representative government with a free election back in January. We can thank our troops that sacrificed plenty for the increased stability in the Middle East. Nuff said.

Posted by: KS on April 16, 2005 06:36 PM
66. iconoclast, Scott158, and ks,

Well put, and right on the money.

Phag,

“Statistical tie” Simply disingenuous, and if you don’t know why, I refuse to waste unnecessary time spoon feeding the reason to you. Either you understand elections and know the facts presented about this one or you don’t. I don't care if you agree or not, but I won’t waste time playing stick-ball on my turf by your rules. Frankly after hearing your words, I would be a little concerned if you agreed with me. The fact that association with Jim McDermott is not a sign of utter degeneracy to you solves any problems for me. I don't wish to commune with Robert Byrd, Teddy Kennedy or Barney Frank either, nevertheless, k- k- k- nock your s- s- s-ocks off.

If you disagree with my views I’m happy for that. If you think I hate you fine whatever--that works, suit yourself. I do find your pretensions amusing and I visit this site partly to entertain myself with them. You and candr and your ilk are fun to read, particularly because you offer viewpoints that are shallow, silly and easy to refute. Maybe get together with Patrick McArdle and celebrate your superiority based on democrat talking points.

Thanks for the laughs.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 16, 2005 07:02 PM
67. Agree with erudite colleagues above--I'm Chgo. raised too (thus my name); yep--I hated the Machine and widespread corruption, but at least we saw THINGS DONE--not endless sillly debate, consensus & studies; consensus was had with a steamroller; airport was built; commuter trains served all; things WORKED; in Seattle it's analysis to paralysis; McDerm would last about 3 days in the typical Chgo. precinct or council meeting; it was a love-hate voter thing, but at least you saw something decided & done, not debated forever with smiles and "I dont know's / I'm sorry's" for RESULTS; Wish I could graft (no pun) both cities' qualities together to make a REAL, WORKING government!

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on April 16, 2005 07:11 PM
68. What of mine have you refuted? Besides your nine identicle posts? Jackass.

Posted by: CandrewB on April 16, 2005 08:09 PM
69. The movers and shakers that make Seattle a wealthy business center don't live in Seattle. They live on the elsewhere and commute into Seattle.

As to Picking on the Honorable Representative McDermott:

He just plead no contest to a FELONY, the release to the media of illegally recorded phone conversations, and was fined $600,000.

McDermott is an admitted but not convicted felon.

In the run up to Iraqi Liberation, McDermott said that Bush would lie to us and Saddam was to be taken at face value.

McDermott has allied himself with a psychopathic, mass murdering dictator in preference to his own country.

McDermott has trouble with the truth of his past. He repeated calls himself a Vietnam Veteran. In truth he is a Vietnam era Veteran. To veterans that is a world of difference. A Vietnam Vet served in country, in Viet Nam. A Vietnam era Vet served during the Vietnam time period but not in Vietnam. McDermott served a psychologist in the Long Beach Naval Base debriefing return Vietnam vets. He has been challenged publicly on this point but refuse to make the distinction, which is recognized by all veterans.

McDermott served and served honorably, he doesn't need to lie about it.

So at best Seattle elects a blowhard bloviating buffoon to Congress, at worst McDimwit is a lying treasonous felon.

Neither option serves Seattle well.

Posted by: jcm on April 16, 2005 09:49 PM
70. The movers and shakers that make Seattle a wealthy business center don't live in Seattle. They live on the elsewhere and commute into Seattle.

As to Picking on the Honorable Representative McDermott:

He just plead no contest to a FELONY, the release to the media of illegally recorded phone conversations, and was fined $600,000.

McDermott is an admitted but not convicted felon.

In the run up to Iraqi Liberation, McDermott said that Bush would lie to us and Saddam was to be taken at face value.

McDermott has allied himself with a psychopathic, mass murdering dictator in preference to his own country.

McDermott has trouble with the truth of his past. He repeated calls himself a Vietnam Veteran. In truth he is a Vietnam era Veteran. To veterans that is a world of difference. A Vietnam Vet served in country, in Viet Nam. A Vietnam era Vet served during the Vietnam time period but not in Vietnam. McDermott served a psychologist in the Long Beach Naval Base debriefing return Vietnam vets. He has been challenged publicly on this point but refuse to make the distinction, which is recognized by all veterans.

McDermott served and served honorably, he doesn't need to lie about it.

So at best Seattle elects a blowhard bloviating buffoon to Congress, at worst McDimwit is a lying treasonous felon.

Neither option serves Seattle well.

Posted by: jcm on April 16, 2005 09:50 PM
71. The movers and shakers that make Seattle a wealthy business center don't live in Seattle. They live on the elsewhere and commute into Seattle.

As to Picking on the Honorable Representative McDermott:

He just plead no contest to a FELONY, the release to the media of illegally recorded phone conversations, and was fined $600,000.

McDermott is an admitted but not convicted felon.

In the run up to Iraqi Liberation, McDermott said that Bush would lie to us and Saddam was to be taken at face value.

McDermott has allied himself with a psychopathic, mass murdering dictator in preference to his own country.

McDermott has trouble with the truth of his past. He repeated calls himself a Vietnam Veteran. In truth he is a Vietnam era Veteran. To veterans that is a world of difference. A Vietnam Vet served in country, in Viet Nam. A Vietnam era Vet served during the Vietnam time period but not in Vietnam. McDermott served a psychologist in the Long Beach Naval Base debriefing return Vietnam vets. He has been challenged publicly on this point but refuse to make the distinction, which is recognized by all veterans.

McDermott served and served honorably, he doesn't need to lie about it.

So at best Seattle elects a blowhard bloviating buffoon to Congress, at worst McDimwit is a lying treasonous felon.

Neither option serves Seattle well.

Posted by: jcm on April 16, 2005 09:50 PM
72. The movers and shakers that make Seattle a wealthy business center don't live in Seattle. They live on the elsewhere and commute into Seattle.

As to Picking on the Honorable Representative McDermott:

He just plead no contest to a FELONY, the release to the media of illegally recorded phone conversations, and was fined $600,000.

McDermott is an admitted but not convicted felon.

In the run up to Iraqi Liberation, McDermott said that Bush would lie to us and Saddam was to be taken at face value.

McDermott has allied himself with a psychopathic, mass murdering dictator in preference to his own country.

McDermott has trouble with the truth of his past. He repeated calls himself a Vietnam Veteran. In truth he is a Vietnam era Veteran. To veterans that is a world of difference. A Vietnam Vet served in country, in Viet Nam. A Vietnam era Vet served during the Vietnam time period but not in Vietnam. McDermott served a psychologist in the Long Beach Naval Base debriefing return Vietnam vets. He has been challenged publicly on this point but refuse to make the distinction, which is recognized by all veterans.

McDermott served and served honorably, he doesn't need to lie about it.

So at best Seattle elects a blowhard bloviating buffoon to Congress, at worst McDimwit is a lying treasonous felon.

Neither option serves Seattle well.

Posted by: jcm on April 16, 2005 09:50 PM
73. CandrewB, so you think Carol Cassady lacks qualifications for congress (esp since she's a dreaded christian...)

What were Patty Murray's for Senate? She told us she was just a mom in tennis shoes.

Posted by: Michele on April 16, 2005 10:27 PM
74. Michelle, no idea, I wasn't out here at that time. But if the highlight of her resume stated she was a mother and had tennis shoes, I cannot say I would have voted her into the Senate. I too have religious beliefs, do you want them as law?

Posted by: CandrewB on April 17, 2005 12:24 AM
75. Candr's argument,

What of mine have you refuted? Besides your nine identicle posts? Jackass.

Cogent as usual.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 17, 2005 12:55 PM
76. Patty Murray was a pre-school volunteer, school board representative and state senator.

All of which tasks she performed with the insight and distinction that has earned her the handle "100th smartest senator" while in the Senate.

Posted by: iconoclast on April 17, 2005 12:57 PM
77. icon.

She finally made 100th?

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 17, 2005 02:00 PM
78. Yes.

Keeping her mouth shut most of her latest senate campaign brought her ERA down far enough to be 100th.

Posted by: iconoclast on April 17, 2005 02:30 PM
79. One really memorable quote I heard Senator Patty Murray gush was "IF I CAN DO THIS JOB, ANYBODY CAN!"

'nuff said

Posted by: Michele on April 17, 2005 06:58 PM
80. Really, guys, I didn't make that quote up!

Posted by: Michele on April 17, 2005 07:00 PM
81.

what is it with left coast libs? Do they have a burning need to elect morons like Murray or Boxer? Or empty suits like Cantwell?

Posted by: iconoclast on April 17, 2005 07:19 PM
82. Editor, Seattle Times

"Tom DeLay," writes Leonard Pitts, "realized with a sudden certainty that he was not alone." Facing criticism for putting relatives on the
Congressional payroll and for the dubious funding of foreign travel, Republican DeLay is not alone:

* Democrat Harry Reid, Senate Minority Leader, pads his payroll with soft jobs for sons and sons-in-law;

* Democrat Nancy Pelosi, House Minority Leader, was fined thousands of dollars for the misuse of campaign contributions;

* Seattle's own Democrat, Jim McDermott, appeased Saddam Hussein during a Baghdad trip paid for with dollars that trickled down from
Saddam's Baath Party. Earlier, McDermott bragged that his district doesn't care that he lied during a criminal investigation into his receipt of illegally obtained material.

McDermott's right: his district doesn't care. Pitts is right: DeLay, the Hammer, is not alone. And with sudden certainty it's clear that
DeLay, alone, is being hammered.

Posted by: sandalista on April 17, 2005 08:13 PM
83. CandrewB, depends on what they are

Posted by: Michele on April 18, 2005 02:14 AM
84. In reference to the message "Posted by The Phagosome at April 16, 2005 03:04 PM" and several comments in the MSM. Although residence of the "big cities" (i.e., blue America) believing they are the center of culture, inclusiveness and progress in the U.S. You actually have it backwards.
"Culture" is not merely art, music, and dance. It could be defined as "The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought." In this case socializing with your neighbors (who the bA tend to ignore, check the research).
"Inclusiveness" means "tolerating others." Where I live you are responsible for your self. I don't need the "variety" available in a big city because I am responsible for and to myself and my family. I "tolerate others" by allowing them to be _responsible for themselves_. I do not want other people to tell me what is right (everything) and what is wrong (nothing) because then they are trying to be responsible for me and my sensibilities.
Progress means moving forward. Without the progress in agriculture none of the people in bA would be able to eat :)
To head off some trolls. 1) I have lived in a blue state (MI) and a blue city (Columbus Ohio) 2) I am a college professor and have published research on multicultural issues so grow up and learn tolerence and diversity include politics, religion, and other important issues.

Posted by: johnb on April 18, 2005 07:57 AM
85. The central point of the bulk of this website is the integrity of procedural democracy and what many of us recognize as the precious individual franchise to vote.

Jim McDermott is voted into office every term only because of the cynical shallowness of the electorate in his district. Only a liberal would be stupid enough to vote for the likes of Jim McDermott. Worse yet, only a truly arrogant liberal idiot would proudly throw away his prized political franchise out of some pin-headed notion of principle that through omission helped elect Jim McDermott, then pose that his integrity is intact because he didn’t vote for McDermott’s opponent--on principle--either. Neither involve principle--but what can I say--this is about liberals.

Liberals throw their electoral power around carelessly because they consider them of little value. This is the penultimate reason aside from possession of office, why they have no respect for our current concern about electoral fraud. It is also why they comfortably subvert the system to undermine the franchise of their adversaries with impunity. Voting schemes are meaningless to them except as ways to win--by hook or by crook. In power, liberals are like dogs chasing a car--they have no clue what to do once they catch it.

To a person who’s avowed religion is the state, the ends justify the means with respect to everything. This commonly revealed aspect of liberalism—the pretension at walking between the raindrops is transparent to everyone but those who practice it. Faux superiority through appearances in abject ignorance of causes and consequences is their daily grind and lies the grist for their mill. An empty conscience knows no bounds, and an empty head no reason. Part of what is so amusing about them, is the fact that they call themselves "intellectuals."

Nothing new from the left, just the same old shallow liberal pseudo-intellectual dishonesty.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 18, 2005 08:20 AM
86. Good morning Amused, you doing OK? Great, let's get started:


"Worse yet, only a truly arrogant liberal idiot would proudly throw away his prized political franchise out of some pin-headed notion of principle that through omission helped elect Jim McDermott, then pose that his integrity is intact because he didn’t vote for McDermott’s opponent--on principle--either. Neither involve principle--but what can I say--this is about liberals."

You wouldn't be talking about me there would ya?

My realistic choices were McDermott and Cassidy, I voted for neither because neither appealed to me or my politics; same for the Governor's race. There was no chance of McDermott losing so what was the point? As far as Gregoire and Rossi, I don't care. I do not work for the state, I live and work in Seattle, so it makes no difference to me who the Governor is. I'm truly sorry if that offends you so. Maybe this next time I'll just hold my nose and vote for Sims, for example. At least I wouldn't have thrown away my electoral power. Speaking of which...

"Liberals throw their electoral power around carelessly because they consider them of little value."

That is a pretty broad and sweeping statement.
I would have voted in the Presidential and Monorail race if the only voting booth available to me was on the top of Mt Rainier.

Posted by: CandrewB on April 18, 2005 09:05 AM
87. Candr,

I'm not offended, just amused.

Thanks for the comments.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 18, 2005 10:17 AM
88. Jim McDermott....the Northwest's most leftist loony...Hey Jimmy boy!...how about if the military pulls all its bases out of here since you are so anti-military?...your buddy Christine Haywire might miss the bucks...do you think?...By the way...was that you sitting under the statue of Lenin in Fremont muttering to yourself???

Posted by: Route101 on April 20, 2005 05:26 AM
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