April 09, 2005
Shark-TV

I'll be featured on KING 5 News UP FRONT with Robert Mak, this Sunday, April 10, 4:30pm on KING 5, 10:30 PM on KONG 6/16!

The streaming video is online here.

Transcript here.

Jim Miller also made an appearance in the segment!

Mak also interviewed a left-leaning blogger whose main claim to fame is that he aspires to be the anti-Sharkansky. i.e. whenever I've done original investigative reporting that uncovers new information and is picked up by professional journalists and policy-makers, his invariable response has been to call me a playground name. His stated goal is to somehow "influence the media". Some free business advice: if you want to influence the media, you need to do more than just offer a more vulgar and less-researched version of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer editorial page.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at April 09, 2005 10:15 PM | Email This
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1. Stefan,

I certainly hope Mr. Mack didn't try to stifle you in his interview...or try to put a spin on your efforts.... It would just be like King 5 to try minimize the importance of Sound Politics and the incredible work you've done for the State of Washington with regard to exposing the unbelievable errors and fraud in the November election..

I will check it out tomorrow.....

Posted by: Deborah on April 9, 2005 11:40 PM
2. I think this would be a great avenue for Stefan to tell it like it is. I think Robert Mak is probably one of the few (maybe the only one) who are on the balacned side without too obvious liberal slant. In fact, I think Robert Mak is probably more on the conservative side than not.

Posted by: C. Oh on April 10, 2005 12:18 AM
3. I generally agree with C.Oh:
I'm not sure how liberal or conservative Robert Mak's personal views are, but all the times I have seen him on the tube he has come across as reasonably even-handed and professional.
I'll be watching @ 16:30. Go get 'em, Stefan !!

Plus talk about perfect timing:
See latest by David Postman in the Sunday Seattle times. Even J. Vander Stoep is now alluding to the electoral F-word:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002237025_measure10m.html

Methow Ken

Posted by: Methow Ken on April 10, 2005 01:20 AM
4. I think that the link for the Postman piece is:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002237050_revote10m.html

Using the one M. Ken posted I got a different article.

I wish I could watch the tv report, but I am out of the loop here in Eastern Washington.

Posted by: JG on April 10, 2005 07:12 AM
5. Did Mak submit his questions to Larry Phillips in advance?

Posted by: barchester on April 10, 2005 07:25 AM
6. JG.....Kingtv.com will have a transcript available online, and also a video. I am not sure they have it immediatley, but should by monday...

Reading the article, the Dem's sure had alot to offer in statements.....They sounded rather childish.

Posted by: jg on April 10, 2005 07:28 AM
7. I don't understand why they are dropping the illegal enhancement of the 59,000 ballots. I thought that was one of the stronger points of the argument because the enhancements made it impossible to see the original marks. Weren't they suppose to make copies first? Also, isn't it in violation of State law?

Posted by: Gil on April 10, 2005 07:45 AM
8. jg, Thanks I'll check it out.

Gil, I don't understand either, because I think "ballot enhancement" is a bunch of bull.
No matter who does the enhancing (even Republicans)
I understand the reasoning given in the David Postman article, but I think it is a mistake.
I think the Republicans should present everything they can about this election, and let the judge decide.

Posted by: JG on April 10, 2005 07:56 AM
9. Stephan,

My family have never met you but please know that we are so thankful for your diligence in exposing so many election irregularities.

We note that you try to give the benefit of the doubt to the democrat side, that you attempt to be fair and we find that approach to be an admirable one. Your work has uncovered so many discrepancies and apparent covers that we can understand how it must be frustrating to stick with this.

Good luck to you in your dialog with the local news media today. We are certain that you will make a good representation for those that are appalled by what they have witnessed in our elections process.

Posted by: Michael on April 10, 2005 08:54 AM
10. Re: Dropping allegation of illegal remarking of ballots.

Shocking! Who's side are the lawyers on???

If King Co illegally enhanced ballots, you must stop the remarking process now before all elections become mail-only. If the 59,000 ballots were not illegally enhanced, don't give us bull**** about priorities. If the Republicans "pull this punch" I cannot take them seriously in their contest.

Posted by: StephenR from Houston on April 10, 2005 12:37 PM
11. Good job, Stefan. Mak did exposes on Pierce County's corrupt election practices and dogged the former county auditor on the issue. I recall one of his exposes concerned how the deputy auditor in Pierce County determined where a candidate for office would appear on the ballot by using marked cards. Mak confronted the then auditor regarding how it was statistically possible for all the incumbants (including the auditor) to be chosen to appear first. I think there were 12 races. In a classic "gotcha", Mak demonstrated to the auditor (on camera) that the cards were marked. The befuddled auditor claimed she would investigate but never talked to Mak again. When the State Supreme Court OK'd a recall petition against her for lying about her educational credentials, Mak tried to interview her after the hearing but she refused to talk to him.

Posted by: Newman on April 10, 2005 01:25 PM
12. I'll be featured on KING 5 News UP FRONT with Robert Mak, this Sunday, April 10, 4:30pm on KING 5, 10:30 PM on KONG 6/16!

Wait is this some sort of consipracy? Are you and Goldy brothers or something? Below is what he just posted. Hmmm. Well have fun guys. I am going to guess that the two of you will be having a beer afterwards.

A couple days ago KING-5 sent a camera to my house to interview me for this Sunday’s edition of “Up Front With Robert Mak.” I was told the subject was blogging, and I assume I’ll be on the show, though I caught a promo last night that featured a shadowy shot of Stefan at his computer, so who knows how much. It’ll air Sunday on KING-5 at 4:30 PM, and again on KONG-16 at 10:30 PM.

Hmmm. Well have fun guys. I am going to guess that the two of you will be having a beer afterwards and Washington co-bloggers.

Posted by: Erik on April 10, 2005 02:46 PM
13. WE now have an all mail in ballot in hand for a special election.. I am almost afraid to mail it to the clowns in King County... How can we be assured thet the cards aren't already stacked against us.. I am afraid... really afraid

Posted by: LN on April 10, 2005 03:15 PM
14. LN,
Send your ballot in and mark on the envelope "Participating under protest".

Posted by: RG on April 10, 2005 04:28 PM
15. I saw you on KIRO so I checked your website. Your site looks so much like the webpagesthatsuck.com site in terms of layout. Good day.

Posted by: Sam on April 10, 2005 04:33 PM
16. Robert Mak... well balanced. Good segment, Stefan!

Posted by: bmvaughn on April 10, 2005 04:36 PM
17. Goldy is a little delusional... he has yet to actually say anything with much truth. Indeed Stefan has called our governor "Fraudoire", but never has he even implied that there was an organized effort by Gregoire to steal the election.

What a hack.

Posted by: bmvaughn on April 10, 2005 04:42 PM
18. Robert Mak's expert witness there is not so hot. He obviously has not looked into any of the Washington Governor's contest.

SoundPolitics is a rare blog - a blog where the blogger is actually doing investigative work rather than using the MSM for source material. Robert would have been served well by finding someone who has even ever read SoundPolitics.

Posted by: bmvaughn on April 10, 2005 04:47 PM
19. Good interview with the Shark. I really loved the comparison with the number of daily hits - thousands for the Shark - hundreds for the horse's ass. One statement made by the hores's ass irritated me. He said that the Shark makes statements and then tries to find the facts to back them up. That's just plain horse crap. Shark publishes the facts for all to see. E.g. the documents he receives from his public disclosure requests. Goldie admitted that he only disputes what Shark publishes without any facts to back up his claims. Ummm! Maybe that's why he only gets a few hits a day.

Posted by: Gil on April 10, 2005 04:59 PM
20. I'm taking your suggestion and reading "the other side". To begin with I think your blog name is a misnomer since you your politics aren't sound and you don't reflect the majority of the people from around Puget Sound. Nevertheless I take exception to your word for the Democratic State Chairman -- histrionics. If there is anyone that is over the top it is Chris Vance. And then of course we had those embarrassing comments by Slade Gorton. Where was his research done? He certainly didn't visit Ohio or Florida.

Posted by: Beverly Day on April 10, 2005 05:00 PM
21. Beverly,
You must be living in a shell. Did you not watch the Demmocratic State Chariman when Fraudoir was losing? The guy sniffles like a little girl when someone looks at him wrong and goes right over the top. He reminds me a lot of Howard Dean - EEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAA.

Posted by: Gil on April 10, 2005 05:07 PM
22. Where are Goldies facts that support the KC elections actions.... Do they exist. I think not

Posted by: LN on April 10, 2005 05:07 PM
23. Oh so Beverly Day, just because they aren't the "majority" they should be quiet? You did not refute anything on this website because you can't. It is sound and thousands of people statewide read it. Even tho we don't live in the Puget Sound area. This governor's election affects all of us, democrat and republican alike.

Posted by: zug on April 10, 2005 05:09 PM
24. Oh so Beverly Day, just because they aren't the "majority" they should be quiet? You did not refute anything on this website because you can't. It is sound and thousands of people statewide read it. Even tho we don't live in the Puget Sound area. This governor's election affects all of us, democrat and republican alike.

Posted by: zug on April 10, 2005 05:09 PM
25. sry for double post :(

Posted by: zug on April 10, 2005 05:10 PM
26. Sam,
What is it that would make it a site you would want to see? Maybe fantacy characters shooting at each other?

Posted by: Gil on April 10, 2005 05:14 PM
27. Hey Bev, bawling Paul Berendt (sniff, sniff) is about as over the top as you can get!

My bet is the majority of the people around Puget Sound (it's a big place ya know) would be in favor of finding out what really happened in the 2004 election. Just because residents of the city of Seattle have their collective heads up their a$$es doesn't mean everyone else does :-)

We'll be looking foward to your post presenting all the research you've done to refute Stefan.

Posted by: Tucker on April 10, 2005 05:28 PM
28. Beverly,

As usual, those of your political 'stripe' can form opinions interpreted as facts by reading the cover of the book, or the headline of the story. So sad.

You sould learn to look a little deeper.

Posted by: bigbyrd on April 10, 2005 05:49 PM
29. "I saw you on KIRO so I checked your website. Your site looks so much like the webpagesthatsuck.com site in terms of layout. Good day.

Posted by Sam at April 10, 2005 04:33 PM "

Sam;
Is it the site layout that counts? Grow up!


"Goldy is a little delusional... he has yet to actually say anything with much truth. Indeed Stefan has called our governor "Fraudoire", but never has he even implied that there was an organized effort by Gregoire to steal the election.

What a hack.

Posted by bmvaughn at April 10, 2005 04:42 PM"

Bravo bmvughn! Indeed, that's right -Stefan NEVER implied that Christine organized the steeling of the alection. Shame on the HORSESASS-GOLDY for intentionally skewing the truth.
P.S. Reading his site - one can count on the F... word (and it is not a fraud) every other line. That's his audience, that's why he attracts hundreds vs Stefan's site thousands.

Posted by: E.W. on April 10, 2005 05:57 PM
30. Good treatment by Mr. Mack even if a bit like a 8th grade lesson. I haven't looked at his second part on Goldstein's blog, but for now I would give King a B+.

Posted by: DeadWood on April 10, 2005 06:22 PM
31. Goldy tried to marginalize the importance and credibility of our SP blog with his comment along the lines of "He and Stefan are not mainstream media - therefore they are not investigative journalists and don't have to be factual in their reporting!"...

Just throwing himself under a bus and trying to take Stefan with him! The problem with Goldy at Horsesass.whatever...is that he admittingly does not research anything he posts! His blog is merely an attempt at counter-point to our indepth investigative research here. This is why his readers (our trolls) constantly demand we provide them with proof and reposts and history when they come here....They are only fed the rhetoric from Goldys site - the emotion and loads of lies! They come here posting like they know everything - then have no substance in their messages! Goldy doesn't give them facts and we aren't going to keep re-posting info for them!

This is where I fault Robert Mak. He tried to compare the SP blog (and Stefan's incredible research) with some lame liberal blog that gets a couple hundred hits a day (mostly from public school computers..). In doing so - he tried to diminish credibility of ALL blogs. He would have done better to just compare blogs of the same caliber.

Posted by: Deborah on April 10, 2005 06:39 PM
32. Hi Stefen. The streaming video worked great. I found the program valuable and I was delighted to get to see you have a lot of air time and an opportunity for us to become acquainted with your voice and expressions. Thanks for the good work in creating an account of what's so in the King County elections and in the election process statewide.

Posted by: orcmid on April 10, 2005 07:20 PM
33. Deborah,

I saw Mak a little different than you. I kind of got the impression that people were shifting to the blogs because they didn't trust the MSM any more. I saw what he was using the philosophy of I'll report, you decide. I think that is why FOX news has passed the network news.

I believe that Goldie hurt his cause by admitting that he did blog to antagonize - not report facts.

However, I guess that we all see things differently.

Posted by: Gil on April 10, 2005 07:25 PM
34. Having now watched the other half of Robert Mak's report, I can now see how vast the difference between is between the two bloggers.

Goldstein is honest about what he is: a propagandist. He tries very hard to appear reasoned and resonable, and Mak seems to allow this misconception to lie, but having on occasion read his blog I know more of the story than Mak was presenting.

Goldstein does, as Deborah mentions, try to minimize Stefan's impact by implying the Stefan is also a propagandist. He seems, however, unable to separate Stefan's work from either the other contributors, and especially from some of the more partisan commentors at SP, from the hard facts and good works of Stefan. Then again, as a propagandist, that would be expected.

Posted by: DeadWood on April 10, 2005 07:27 PM
35. Robert Mak typically does a good job of reporting unlike most of his biased fellows.
King 5 asked the question via the internet as to whether "Blogs do a good job of reporting"? Answer being: it depends on the Blog.
In this election debate who broke the most news?
1. Stefan = Most or All of the news.
2. Goldstien = None
3. MSM = Little to None. For the most part only infomation reported by Stefan.
Mak's report made it clear that Stefan's facts were getting in the way of any real rebutal by the Democrats.
Look out MSM! Your day of reporting the news to the political satisfaction of those in power will no longer go unchecked.
The real story in this election contest is how the public have become the journalist, being allowed to publish unsensored and timely information through credible Web Logs.
Thanks Mr. Mak for bringing Blogs to the attention of those not informed.

Posted by: Keith on April 10, 2005 07:34 PM
36. Just saw the rerun of it on NWCN at 8. Very good interview. Goldy said something unfair when he said Gregoirovich colluded with KC Elections to win the election. I don't think you've ever actually said that. But there's plenty to suggest that KC elections was really TRYING to get her in, with all the multiple found ballots, etc. We heard about one KC elec. worker who was fired for feeding the same Gregoirovich ballot through five times and workers wearing gloves that had "Go Dems" scrawled on them. Do you think Dems would for a minute tolerate that kind of side-taking if the gloves had read "Go Rs"? Yah, right.

And we all know about the divining of votes with mere stray marks and confusingly written names given as votes for Gregoire. Yes, they were trying to get her in. Couldn't be more obvious. They won't get away with it.

Posted by: Michele on April 10, 2005 08:36 PM
37. To clarify my 3rd sentence: ..."when he said Stefan claimed that Gregoirovich colluded with KC Elections to win..."

Posted by: Michele on April 10, 2005 08:39 PM
38. I sent similar feedback to Robert Mak to what I'm gong to say here.

The two political bloggers highlighted in Up Front demonstrate to me why blogs will never replace the 'mainstream media' you so shrilly rail against.

You are simply unprofessional.

At least the left leaning blogger made an honest comment. Why would anyone listen to you? You are not journalists. You are propagandists. Those who do waste their time listening to you delude themselves.

You make no attempt to provide a fair and balanced report, the whole time you are decrying the 'MSM' for failing to do so.

You purport to report facts and investigate. You couldn't hold Robert Mak's shoes, and he's a second or third rate reporter.

Posted by: Lance on April 10, 2005 08:40 PM
39. Actually, Mak is probably one of the best and most fair reporters they have there at King 5. Tho his 'expert' guest was uninspired.

Stefan has actually BROKEN news about this election in ways that other news outlets have not. That's very valuable. If he wasn't providing a valuable service, no one would be reading it. Especially not the party honchos. And he wouldn't have gotten the national and local pub that he has.

Posted by: Michele on April 10, 2005 09:06 PM
40. I love the way Mak had Stefan define "histrionic" for all the people who attended Seattle Public Schools.

And Goldy all out lied when he said that Stefan was basically trying to paint the election as having been a Gregoire organized conspiracy from the top down. That was beyond the pale, and ripe for media consumption. However, if anything, it may leave more viewers believing it than not since many Washingtonions are very rightly upset with a process that is not capable of giving them and assured sense of who won the election.

I'm not saying that I think it is right to allege conspiracy, and I don't believe it was a conspiracy for the sake of winning the election. However, I do believe that KC Elections engaged in willful negligence in preparing the documents for certification and tallying and reporting the election. That's serious business and it should be investigated.

Posted by: Jeff B. on April 10, 2005 09:14 PM
41. Nice interview, Stefan.

To people not following the election fiasco since the beginning, I'm afraid Mak didn't give them much inducement to dive in to the blogs and get informed. It would have informed the viewers better if Mak had mentioned a few examples of the factual info you have publicized, along with some of the refutation Goldy has attempted.

Just in case he did win you some new viewers, it would be prudent to have some high quality/informative to the uninformed type posts for the next few days to draw their interest.

Posted by: zip on April 10, 2005 09:15 PM
42. Awwww, man... you guys hurt my feelers.

Oh... and I'm not really the "anti-Snark." I just play one on TV.

Posted by: David Goldstein on April 10, 2005 10:24 PM
43. Beverly,
Slade Gorton's defeat in the recount in his race with Cantwell may very well have been due to fraud and incompetence in KC, same as we are currently suffering through now in the Gov race.
Soundpolitics does represent the majority of people..just not so called liberal elites & MSM types.
Histronics is a accurate descrition of the state democractic chair (Berendt) He goes to my church. Judging form some of his nasty e-mail replies when challenged (as well as Bertha McDaniel) they know it looks bad and are quite sensitive to the facts.

Posted by: Cara on April 10, 2005 10:54 PM
44. Beverly,
Forgot to add to my post in all the replies from state democratic chairs & the like..they never actually debated or specifically addressed any of my points. Just resorted to name calling or would thow out extraneous statements with no facts to back them up and were just rude..and they expect people to vote for them when they treat voters with such disrespect (unless they voted democratic of course!) Notice democrats are the ones pushing all mail voting & stripping ID requirements from election reform. I never seriously put much stock in their insincere calls for election reform...it benefits them too much.

Posted by: Cara on April 10, 2005 11:06 PM
45. You know, after watching you on Mak, I realized that they are nervous. I think having you on Up Front meens they sense how Bridges is going to rule. This is the msm in the healing process.

And I agree that this "special election" is clouded so on my envelope, where it says "do not delay" I crossed out delay and wrote "lose."

Who says these mail-ins won't get mixed up with ballots from Nov? OMG! Whacha wanna bet they find more while recieving these, oh geez.

Posted by: chardonnay on April 10, 2005 11:22 PM
46. Yah, emphasis on vulgar (in response to last sentence in post).

Posted by: Michele on April 10, 2005 11:35 PM
47. A side note:

The Henry Farrel that appears on the show as an expert is also a lefty blogger, whom you can find at the group academic blog: Crooked Timber. That said, I should add that I didn't find anything objectionable or biased in what he said. (And I have criticized him in the past.)

Posted by: Jim Miller on April 11, 2005 06:13 AM
48. That's "Farrell", not "Farrel", of course.

Posted by: Jim Miller on April 11, 2005 06:15 AM
49. Slade saying those things to get his tired old (beaten) name in the press. Politicians find moving the back very difficult...Slade is no exception. He has to do something to keep his name in writing! Otherwise, what's the point?

Posted by: Pierre Drinkingwater on April 11, 2005 06:35 AM
50. Don't even put this pretender in with the "Shark". Mr. Goldy is one sick dude when he seemed to take pleasure when Falwell had his latest brush with death. I quit giving the dude "legs" (i.e. hits on his blog)

Posted by: swatter on April 11, 2005 07:14 AM
51. Mr. Goldy is one sick dude...I quit giving the dude "legs" (i.e. hits on his blog)..

I agree. Since there is never any real news there, what is the point?
Goldstein is simply trying to shock, insult, and entertain rather than inform or create meaningful dialogue.

Posted by: JG on April 11, 2005 07:53 AM
52. DOT COM Mak. Not DOT ORG

Posted by: Jim L on April 11, 2005 09:30 AM
53. Beverly,

As to your snarky comments on Ohio and Florida, take a look at where the problems were in those 2 states. In every case, it was democratic precincts in counties that were run by democrats with democratic election officials and democratic designed ballots. Democrats offered cocaine in exchange for signatures. You forgot to mention Minnesota and Wisconsin where the democrats slashed tires (even a congresswoman's son in one case) and the various precincts had the same problem as King County of more votes than voters and felons voting and in one case even a guy coming in to vote claiming to be such and such a person and the guy he was claiming to be was an election judge at the same precinct. Non-existent addresses, sending in absentee ballots and then voting in person at the same precinct thus voting twice. Voting in the name of dead people was another democratic speciality. Failure to deliver the results of the counting another specialty.

I think King County was the worst this time but it was close with Milwaukee and Racine. I thought Washington was supposed to be the home of clean elections. Guess that was a wrong assumption. This brings up the question of whether Slade Gorton actually lost the election to Maria Cantwell as well. Based on current results and practices, I think it is a valid question, although I am sure Beverly would not agree. We are not supposed to question it when democrats steal elections.

Posted by: dick on April 11, 2005 10:39 AM
54. Swatter and JG--
The main reason I post on HorsesAss is to ENCOURAGE Goldy. You are correct, he is an empty suit that creates no real news...only shock, insult and general BS.
When he gets on TV with Shark...who looks better?
When others read Goldy's BS...do you think he converts anyone?
Goldy seems like a pretty decent guy who probably got bitchslapped throughout his entire elementary school experience by little girls who took his lunch money.

Are you really concerned about Goldy?
Or is Goldy exactly the putz you want trying to contest The Shark?
Thank about it.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on April 11, 2005 10:56 AM
55. Sure, Mr. Cynical, but he stepped over the line.

The constant f words detracted from his liberal commentary. I liked the commentary and liked to discuss it with his minions. I miss posting there, but, as I said, the individual went far over the line.

Posted by: swatter on April 11, 2005 12:27 PM
56. I am going to give the Rossi-whiners in Washington State the same advice they gave me after massive fraud and intentional disenfranchisement changed the outcome of the 2000 presidential election in Florida:

Get over it and move on. You lost. We won. Deal with it.

Posted by: Land of Rational Thought on April 11, 2005 12:44 PM
57. Land of Rational Thought, there's a problem with your statement.

Simply put, the Gore campaign did not have proof of the fraud. We do.

I'm sorry, but you lose.

And, hey, lose the 4:20 thing. Columbine was 6 years ago.

Posted by: Big M on April 11, 2005 01:05 PM
58. Where was Jim Miller? I saw the show and did not see Jim Miller...
I didn't like Robert Mak. Did you like him Stefan?

Posted by: zug on April 11, 2005 07:29 PM
59. Hey Land of IRRational Thought,

I thought I clarified the 2000 election even to Unkl Witz approvals. Looks like I have to sepnd a few precious keystrokes stroking that pea brain of yours. All of the election problems occurred in Democratically controlled areas of Florida. Every big National Newspaper admitted that George Bush won. Before spewing off at the keyboard, look at the facts on Google. You do know how to type w w w . g o o g l e . c o m right?

Stefan, nice job on the interview and you are a wonderfully concise speaker unlike Goldy.

I know Goldy reads this so, Goldy what were you really trying to say? Stefan has an end so he identifies facts to create a beginning? What is that? King County Elections Commission has basically validated almost all of his voting pattern guesses to date. Each time they release something he has guessed within 1% of the final number without all of the data? Can you claim that Goldy? He is 99% right without seeing any data. Ron Sims saw the data and he can't even add!!!

Vitriol from Stefan on calling Christine Fraudoire? He never said that. SOme of us respondents have. He won't use the word FRAUD anywhere in her written verbiage. But you are a horsesass Goldy. There is a written rule of information, RESEARCH! Goldy, if you can't refute his facts, then shut up please.

Posted by: Puddybud on April 11, 2005 07:40 PM
60. I meant to say: He won't use the word FRAUD anywhere in his written verbiage.

Sorry Stefan, I have no idea how I misstyped that!!!

Pudster

Posted by: Puddybud on April 11, 2005 07:44 PM
61. zug - It was definitely a bit part. I'm the guy saying that when I started out almost three years ago I got just over 200 visits the first month. They don't give my name, but you can see my web site in the program.

Posted by: jim Miller on April 11, 2005 09:19 PM
62. ty jim.

Posted by: zug on April 12, 2005 02:02 PM
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