KING5 news online is now carrying a live press conference with Republican leaders about the absentee ballot problems in King County. (UPDATE: the press conference is now over. No longer available online)
I tuned-in late and missed the beginning.
I heard Chris Vance talk about the fact that the uncounted ballots were mostly from Republican leaning precincts. Also mentioned the Mail Ballot Report and called for the Absentee Ballot Audit Trail to be released!
Slade Gorton: "King County has the worst election administration of any county in the United States of America."
It's perfectly clear AND sufficient that it's the worst administration of any county in the State. As another great poster on this site has said:
"NUFF SAID"
Posted by: dkpcowboy on April 6, 2005 01:49 PMSame brainless comments different name.
Posted by: Adriel on April 6, 2005 01:59 PMTry a valium for pete's sake. Your handle should be "non sequitur." Your plea for a response is so full of holes, Stefan doesn't have the bandwidth to accomodate one. If you don't have a valium, go get a soy latte and leave the thinking to other people.
Posted by: dkpcowboy on April 6, 2005 02:43 PMhttp://www.atg.wa.gov/contact.shtml
Posted by: Hang-em-High on April 6, 2005 02:51 PMInstead of stating that it's all opinion or rhetoric, feel free to disect the numbers and educate us on why they're nonsense. Instead of telling us it's not fact. Prove it! You want our proof, we've shown it. Now show us yours!
Or is this like a game of cards, and I've shown my hand, a full house. You assert that yours is better, a royal flush, but won't show your hand.
Don't come here and call people names or generalize unless you're ready to back up your own assertions. The onus is on you to prove your case, not us to look it up because you're lazy or for whatever reason. Vindicate yourself!
Posted by: Brent on April 6, 2005 02:59 PMIf you don't like it leave, we aren't begging you to stay.
Posted by: Adriel on April 6, 2005 03:01 PMWhen do liberals ever have LEGITIMATE references or hard numbers?
Posted by: MNM on April 6, 2005 03:04 PMIn addition, many of us consider Slade to be very credible. He served us all very well on the bipartisan 9/11 commission after his time serving WA as a senator.
Therefore, his opinion, is relevant. This is in contrast to you comparing Puget Sound politicians to Texas politicians. That is irrelevant.
Feel free to continue your education at Sound Politics.
Posted by: colin on April 6, 2005 03:06 PMAny facts there? Or just more ad hominem attacks against the "neo-feudalists". I assume these "neo-feudalists" you refer to are the supporters of King Sims seizing rural lands for his fiefdom.
Posted by: sixsigma on April 6, 2005 03:08 PMColin is correct. Slade Gordon has his opinion. Ron Sims has a different opinion. Every citizen of the state can decide who to believe.
Frankly, it does not matter if King County is the worst in the state or in the nation. What matters is whether or not King County administered the previous election appropriately so that we know who actually received the most legally-cast ballots. We think they didn't. Do you think that they did?
Posted by: Larry on April 6, 2005 03:10 PMI would think that people as astute as you all claim to be would have done that little bit of research before screeching your female-hysteria induced rants.
Posted by: amused by hot air on April 6, 2005 03:32 PMNot all D strongholds have a "Sharkansky" to point out the multiple levels of fraud and so the cover ups and ballot stuffing activities go unchallenged.
Posted by: Andy_ on April 6, 2005 03:42 PMNow, as I said, go get the numbers! I'm not going to prove your point; one point has been made already. It's your job to disspell it. Back up your own assertions!
Posted by: Brent on April 6, 2005 03:42 PM...and shame on me. I've been goofing on Seattle not being able to back up their "intellectually enlightened elite" status.
Posted by: Andy_ on April 6, 2005 03:47 PM"In the land of the blind,the one-eyed man is King!" Howard Stern
Posted by: amused by hot air on April 6, 2005 03:52 PMOr in this case "in the land of the blind, the one holding the pen knife wants to think she's queen"
Posted by: Adriel on April 6, 2005 04:00 PMNo, your assertion was that our numbers are not hard facts. While I don't know what Gorton's basis was for what he said, to lump him as a 'neo-feudalist' is ridiculous. Ask him what his source is! How the hell should we know? It's a generalistic statement, but when you look at the FACTS on this site, it's amazing what you find and how gross the errors committed were. You simply, in any rational thought, deny that.
It's funny you pick this site to say something like that with all the evidence Stefan has brought forth.
Sounds like your balloon is sinking. Unless you've got something to refute with facts, don't bother.
Posted by: Brent on April 6, 2005 04:02 PMIf Gorton is a neo-feudalist, what does that make Sims? An idiot for not knowing how to calculate his numerator from his denominator?
Sheesh. There's just no leg to stand on with that argument...
Posted by: Brent on April 6, 2005 04:07 PMLogan said, "It's a constant battle with yourself not to take it personally, to stay focused on what you're doing," he said. "I think in the end it's going to work out fine."
Yes, on that you were right Dean, in the end it will work out fine.. well, maybe not for you.
Posted by: Splatter on April 6, 2005 04:09 PMBut are rigged electronic voting machines really the issue, or are you moving the goalposts?
"Much has been written about the 5% plus discrepency in the exit polls in Ohio in the November election. Similar problems exist with those machines in this state."
Probably true--likely with arguments on both sides of the issue. Which side are you using to support your assertions? But again, is this a sidetrack from incompetency or the abuse of non-machine ballots?
"Two reliable sources of information to actually find out if King County has the worst run elections in the country are: US Count Votes, a non-partisan , non-profit group in Utah, and www.electionarchive.org"
They may be reliable, based on the people listed as members of those organizations. However, that doesn't truly give them non-partisan status.
Electionarchive.org seems to be non-partisan, but they seem to be basing their work on a premise that is apparently open to debate still.
US Count Votes, however, is not an independent group, apparently, but is a group that identifies with or supports the previous group. Can we really consider them two different groups?
"I would think that people as astute as you all claim to be would have done that little bit of research before screeching your female-hysteria induced rants."
Did you realize that not all research is equal? You have one (or perhaps two) organizations that you cite here. Wouldn't you be more credible if you cited counter-arguments and not just a site that supported what he or she already thought?
And again--are electronic voting machines the point here, or is this a red herring?
Posted by: pseudotsuga on April 6, 2005 04:16 PMYou claim that "no one can determine whether the electronic voting machines were rigged." In other words, guilt by insinuation. We know that the voting machines were tested extensively, including their security features. Absent any evidence (and there is none) that those security measures were compromised, what basis does anyone have for suggesting they might have been rigged? Only the fact that the election results were not what they wanted. "We didn't win, so obviously it was rigged."
Compare that with the documented errors and abuses that have been uncovered in King County's handling of the November 2004 election. Where there is incontrovertible proof of gross incompetence and negligence (if not deliberate fraud), the Democrats call upon everyone to "move along, nothing to see here." Yet they continue to stir the pot in places like Ohio, where the only "evidence" they can produce are exit polls.
Talk about rants!
Posted by: Patrick on April 6, 2005 04:31 PMThere is no mention of vance.I wonder why
that is.?Could it be that he's ran the state gop
into near bankruptcy.Or the fact that he has
turned so many people off with his phony
town hall meetings.
Whatever the case maybe, his credibility
is gone.
Big deal lucy - so you agree with yourself. Now we can add Multiple Personality Disorder or MPD for short to your Schizophrenia.
You really oughta see someone about that - there is help available ;'}
Two thirds of this comment area is filled with their rantings and YOUR responses.
Posted by: DeadWood on April 6, 2005 06:26 PMTell us NOW, King county elections. Do you not remember who pays the bills around there??? WE DO. WE are the boss. Not you. WE are. TELL us who didn't get their voted counted and who was put on paid vacation for their cheaing or screwing up down there at KC elections. WE are paying the freight for your shameful operation down there. The more you deny us what we rightfully should know, the louder we will scream for the feds to get involved.
Cover-up rightfully alleged.
Posted by: Michele on April 6, 2005 06:29 PM
"Phd. statisticians have tried to prove that the exit polls were wrong, but no one can."
No one but the 61 million people who voted for George W. Bush, baby!!!
Posted by: Larry on April 6, 2005 07:11 PMAirhead: Have you been looking at the wonderful statistical analysis or are you "Y A W N" getting sleepy when figures hit the brain? That's it, you have Numerical Eye Conjunctivitis: A simple disease where too much numerical analysis causes a Democratic eyes to shut down due to overstressing? Or maybe it's a$$facia: A simple disease where your face looks like the a$$ and your bowels don't know which way to go? Since you are spewing hot air out de mouth, it has the be a$$facia!!!
DKPCowboy: Thanks for the great comments about NUFF SAID!
'NUFF SAID!!!!
Pudster
Posted by: Puddybud on April 6, 2005 08:24 PMAnd how many inmates in Washington jails went to Washington public schools, as opposed to private schools. Did you know Washington public schools cause you to become a felon?
Posted by: Larry on April 7, 2005 09:35 AMOne need only review headless’ numerous comments in March 2005 on this website, to observe that headless consistently lies, changes the subject, lies some more and covers it all with a smoke screen of personal attacks. No self-respecting intellectual academic would ever make the idiotic citations of supposed facts that she makes with reckless abandon. If headless was tested for academic skills, she would be thrown out of her sullied "profession," for incompetence. Headless has become famous in her own right at this website for being incapable of any semblance of rational thought, and she is proud of it.
To be a competent teacher, one need not be a master of rhetoric, but it would seem that a simple command of basic fundamentals is in order. More importantly--intellectual honesty.
For lucy, the ends justify the means, and she no-doubt applies this standard non-standard in her work as well. Can anyone here imagine lucy behaving fairly with her students? Can you imagine having a teacher like lucy? Can you imagine the things lucy is telling impressionable little children? Lucy wouldn’t know the truth if it walked up and slapped her on the a$$.
It is a good thing that most of our children are blessed with superior abilities to lucy. If she ever had a point, she would have made it.
As it stands, headless lucy's comments speak for themselves.
The real issues are not about headless lucy, but education and the state it is in today. Lucy simply unwittingly provides a great illustration for us of the deep trouble our country is in. Her foolish ideology is losing favor, but while liberals are in charge, more damage is done. All the more reason that parents should pull together and form community schools unfettered by the contraints of the NEA, WEA and morons like headless lucy.
Posted by: alphabet soup on April 7, 2005 12:35 PMEvery time I read that I chortle like a drunken redneck at a Sunday KKK chicken fry. But I don't need to tell you that! I'm sure you already know the feeling.
Posted by: headless lucy on April 7, 2005 02:32 PM