April 01, 2005
Veteran's Day

This week's column in The Stranger is up : "Veteran's Day" -- an update on the recent anti-military propaganda skit that was presented at a West Seattle High School panel discussion on the Iraq war.

The column presents some new information -- (1) contrary to the initial report in the P-I which stated that "no teachers or advisers were on hand or evidently even aware of the content", school district officials have admitted that school faculty and staff were involved in the skit itself, and (2) I report on West Seattle Principal Susan Dersé's response to my follow-up questions about the letter she wrote to the school community about the incident (the letter is posted here). I asked her to specifically explain what she is doing to "continuing to work with those students and their advisors in understanding this sensitive issue", and to give some concrete examples of what West Seattle High School did this year to "celebrate our veterans every year and in many ways".

How did Dersé respond? Take a guess, and read the column to find out if you were right!

Also, be sure to check out this week's letters to the editors!

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at April 01, 2005 08:12 AM | Email This
Comments
1. The Liberal Mantra:

Deny, Lie and create a smokescreen while never answering the questions.

She's just following the script!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Norm on April 1, 2005 08:38 AM
2. What gets my goat is that if this had been a "conservative" skit the principal and teachers involved would have been fired, students suspended and the superintendent would have been censured.

Posted by: lee egg on April 1, 2005 08:44 AM
3. I love the letters to the editor! The intellect shines through with their extensive vocabulary! I was in such awe that I couldn't see any of the well thought out counter points, except, of course, why would the publication allow another point of view that might burst the opiate bubble!

Posted by: Fred on April 1, 2005 09:03 AM
4. This is pathetic. Imagine the uproar there would be if they held a forum on racism, invited some civil rights leaders, and then presented a skit showing blacks as drug dealers and criminals.

I attended my step-daughter's school last Veteran's Day. Fortunately she attends a private Christian school. I was treated with nothing by respect and politeness. It was only a week since I had returned from my last deployment, and when I mention that I got a standing ovation. I guess I cannot expect the same type of treatment from the Seattle public schools.

Posted by: James on April 1, 2005 09:04 AM
5. Man, how many typos did I make in that post? Never post before coffee.

Posted by: James on April 1, 2005 09:11 AM
6. "What gets my goat is that if this had been a 'conservative' skit the principal and teachers involved would have been fired..."

Well now that depends...I don't see this so much in the liberal/conservative framework as in the smart accountable/stupid craven smokescreening framework. I've been opposed to the war from the beginning, but I find the details in the skit and the official response to it execrable. (I wrote to the principal too as a "liberal" and got a similar non-reply.) But at least Derse admitted wrongdoing to a degree. The school board letter was far more offensive. It didn't acknowledge anything wrong and actually invoked "freedom of speech" as being part of the issue here. Ironic, given the current Snohos flap that's come right on the heels of this.

And James, you type better without coffee than most of us with coffee...

Posted by: ChrisW on April 1, 2005 09:30 AM
7. I just want to say that I've lived near the 20th Avenue and Madison Street matrix for roughly a decade and I can attest there is nothing culturally enriching or charming about the rampant drug dealing, drug use, and associated crimes (gang activity, muggings, prostitution, and even murder) that has sucked the life out of this area...

This is just one more example of the extreme right wing of the Taliban Party trying to impose their small minded conformity on the rest of us. Chemically-enhanced Americans have rights, too. I wish I understood why right-wing extremists can't butt out of the private lives of Sexually Impulsive Americans.

Posted by: South County on April 1, 2005 09:40 AM
8. nowhere in Seattle will you see block after desolate block of shitty apartment buildings, abandoned cars, and garbage piled up chin high as you will in some American cities. Charles, try Detroit, Chicago, or Baltimore if you're looking for real slums where a man can really feel oppressed.

Translation: Don't criticize us; we're not as bad as Detroit.

Posted by: South County on April 1, 2005 09:43 AM
9. Hooray for your excellent column exposing the brain-washing!

Posted by: Michele on April 1, 2005 09:54 AM
10. This is exactly why my children do not go to public schools. I have been fighting teachers imposing their political beliefs on my children for decades. I finally got tired of it after September 11th (when a teacher told my 7th grader that it happened because President Bush was stupid- and this was said on the morning we were attacked!)That was the final straw.

Posted by: Miriam on April 1, 2005 10:33 AM
11. While obviously accountability is an issue, there is no question that if it had been one of the classes that liberals count as "protected" such as gays, minorities, or women, there would be no "freedom of speech" defense. Our soldiers are fair game though, offend and insult them all you want.

Posted by: James on April 1, 2005 10:43 AM
12. Um, wasn't it over two weeks ago I posted in here that TEACHERS WERE INVOLVED? No investigive reporting required, I merely tuned into KVI and listened to the student leader himself. From that it was VERY CLEAR that not only were teachers involved, they also guided, many of their suggestions were incorporated, and they approved of the resulting skit.

I think it's safe to say this skit, and not Derse's blather, is truly representative of the way this school's faculty views our American military. These teachers see America as a force of evil in this world, more evil even than Saddam Hussein.

The kids involved (and probably a lot more who weren't involved) have clearly absorbed these vile notions. It's sickening to see. Unfortunately, if none of them are fired or expelled then it's hard to see them learning anything more from this experience than to be a little more cautious expressing their contempt for America.

You know what I would like to see? Not firings or suspensions. I would like to see ALL the parties involved, PLUS all the faculty and admin staff of this school, required to put on a full-length play depicting TRUE events in Iraq. Let them act out the village children hugging Marine's who just built their new school. Let them show Iraqi bussinessmen bringing goods to market on bridges and roads just built by the Army. Have them depict American-trained Iraqi police high-fiving after having killed a bunch of jihadi's. And let them show a long line of Iraqi's going to vote, each and every one of them spitting with contempt upon the body of a jihadi suicide bomber who tried in vain to stop the Iraqi people from voting.

Require these kids and their teachers to hold this play night after night for a week. Require them all to write an essay about what American freedom means to them, and what liberty and the right to vote means to a man or woman in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Oh well, I can dream, can't I?

Posted by: Chuck Miller on April 1, 2005 11:48 AM
13. How come they are not all sent to "sensitivity training"?

Posted by: Fred on April 1, 2005 11:55 AM
14. Not all schools are like this though. When I was deployed for OEF, a school on Whidey Island sent us a bunch of Christmas cards. I can't remember the name of the school, but it meant a lot to all the guys. Our favorite letter simply read "Bin loden must be destroid!" They may not be teaching our kids to spell properly, but you can't argue with the sentiment. We posted it up on the wall of our tent, and sent the class a picture of the unit.

Posted by: James on April 1, 2005 12:03 PM
15. What was the play called? "Protestor without a cause"?

I guess this explains where Seattle's knee-jerk protestors come from. They protest as if the means where the end, as if simply protesting were the only objective.

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on April 1, 2005 12:35 PM
16. And I DID check out the letters to the editor and the anti-Sharkansky ones were just too predictable. As if multiple F-words make one's argument more convincing. Heh--not hardly.

Posted by: Michele on April 1, 2005 05:33 PM
17. The following pre-WASL math question was leaked earlier today by a WSHS
student:
If two corrupt-contracted Boeing-build F-18s flown by murderous pilots
dropped four 250lb bombs on one building
known to house mortars and rockets used by Al Queida resistance
fighters opposing the illegal US led invasion of Iraq,
how many innocent women and children would be killed?
A: None
B: They weren't killed, they were murdered!
C: 300,000
D: As many as you want because it feels like it could have been true,
but in any event, it makes a good protest.

ANSWERS:
A - While factually correct, it is really wrong in that it demonstrates
an inability by the student to embrace inclusiveness.
Clearly women and children while not combatants, could logically resist
any illegal US Led invasion so could reasonably
be killed in this viscous unprovoked attack. Any student answering A
should be refereed to DSHS for possible home intervention.
B, C, or D. All are correct. And answer D results in an automatic
scholarship to Seattle Central Community College.

Posted by: danno on April 1, 2005 06:10 PM
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