March 01, 2005
New Dimensions of Deception in WA State Cloning Bill

Yesterday the Senate Labor, Commerce, Research & Development Committee conducted an executive session, which included action on SB 5594—the grossly misleading stealth cloning bill.

This is the bill that pretends to outlaw cloning, but then re-defines it so as to even allow for human cloning right up until the moment of birth. At that point, all of the cloned human life that has been grown is targeted for mandated destruction.

Now a handful of state senators, demonstrating all the statesmanship of totally unwitting dupes—or the YES men and women of human cloning proponents—have added a new twist: the bill purports to outlaw the horrible practice of “reproductive” human cloning while permitting “therapeutic” cloning.

This is a distinction without a difference.

In the staff briefing for the committee, committee coordinator Jennifer Straus briefly discussed the proposed amendment to the bill—which she said would basically insert the word “reproductive” before the word “cloning” in the bill’s text.

This amendment changes NOTHING about the bill. Wesley J. Smith explains things in a recent article analyzing this legislation:

If the cloned human organism is to be experimented upon and destroyed, the process is often called "therapeutic cloning." If it is to be brought to birth, the process is usually called "reproductive cloning." But it is important to understand these are not different types of cloning. They are different uses for the cloned human lives created via cloning.

Both the bill’s sponsor—Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles (D) and co-sponsor Sen. Rosa Franklin (D) stated that the amendment would “clarify” the meaning of the bill.

If anything, the bill should give increased confidence to cloning proponents who don’t want to see ANY sort of ethical limits placed upon their ability to clone human life for the purposes of destroying it and harvesting it.

Sen. Pallette (R) asked where the additional language comprising the amendment language was arrived at. Straus stated that it came from the University of Washington Medical School, apparently in response to questions as to whether it would really prohibit reproductive cloning.

Sen. Franklin then commented on the amendment:

…it does clarify, because…I am opposed to human cloning, and there is a difference between reproductive cloning and therapeutic cloning. And so this clarifies the difference.

To the contrary, I will quote Smith again:

…these are not different types of cloning. They are different uses for the cloned human lives created via cloning.

Sen. Kohl-Wells went on to praise Sen. Franklin for being “…so much of an articulate spokesperson in opposition to reproductive cloning.”

There was nothing articulate about that portion of the executive committee session. Nothing. You can listen in for yourself via TVW here. (Discussion lasts approximately five minutes, beginning 1:36:45 into the February 28 hearing.)

The amendments were incorporated to a substitute bill—SSB 5594—which passed without objection. The bill will proceed to the Senate Rules Committee.

All of this goes to show that the legislators have a poor grasp of the issues involved. They’ve become lost in the terminology shell game, with human cloning proponents leading them along. That or they’re playing dumb…

In addition, there is currently underway a House Appropriations hearing today on HB 1268, concerning the regulation of stem cell research. That bill likewise contains duplicitous language about banning cloning AND the phony baloney therapeutic/reproductive cloning distinction. (See here for more.)

(Cross-blogged at Seth Cooper's personal blog.)

Posted by Seth Cooper at March 01, 2005 04:27 PM | Email This
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1. This is disgusting!
What kind of degenerates are they?

Posted by: Not Erik on March 1, 2005 04:39 PM
2. Right you are, Seth. Adding "reproductive" before the word "cloning," would not change the legislation's license to clone, implant the cloned embryo, and fetal farm through the ninth month. If that is all that was changed, the bill would not outlaw implantation if the purpose of doing so was for experimentation rather than birth. Thanks for your work on this important issue.

Posted by: Wesley J. Smith on March 1, 2005 04:45 PM
3. The German people generally were quite moral folks, but gradually and with little opposition the Nazi's came to power....

Just like this...

Posted by: Lew on March 1, 2005 05:17 PM
4. what, are they going to have a big LAB where they will experiment on the fetus? Maybe different rooms for each age! are they this sick? Ok, this is the last straw. I just ripped off letters to my two dim reps today, I did not include this issue, they already hate me, oh well.
So in a nut shell, a Judge in Fl wants to kill Terry Shiavo, even though she is awake and can communicate with her eyes, late term/partial birth abortion is ok and now we have fetus farms for scientists to experiment. What's next, they decide they need to experiment on one specific race to figure out what causes a disease that is dominant w/in that race?
What are the democrats really up to and who donated money to these to hags campaigns?

Posted by: chardonnay on March 1, 2005 06:05 PM
5. What kind of degenerates are they?!?!?

Dude, look at what these creeps have done through the last forty years- you'll see what kind of degenerates they are.

Look at all of the extreme legislation these freaks are trying to ramrod through while they still can. This is scorched earth politics at its abject worst.

We have GOT to get these monsters out of office, and pronto.

Posted by: ERNurse on March 1, 2005 07:17 PM
6. HorsesAss.ORG Perhaps some of you might enjoy reading what the commie libs have to say about current events. Don't hesitant to drop by, visit, and drop a bomb or two. Perhaps a B-52 Arclight strike is in order, so, take off, and drop your 500 pounders. Hard hard and often. With respects to my fellow members of the VRWC. JCH

Posted by: JCH on March 1, 2005 07:36 PM
7. My question is why? What is the point of all of this as a Washington State issue? The one thing that comes to mind is Paul Allen's boy - Mayor Nickelhead and his efforts to change Lake Union to a $$$ Bio-tech lab. Is it related?
We know they are not looking at "for the good of mankind", they only have 9 more months to screw up Washington some more, so we know they are pushing everything thru they can. Why this?

Posted by: Kathy on March 1, 2005 07:44 PM
8. "My question is why?"

"Non-reproductive" means they don't want the whole human being---just bits and pieces that they can SELL to experiment on, put in cosmetics, and transplant.

Posted by: singer on March 1, 2005 11:03 PM
9. Incredible!

The moment the people start to raise their voices in opposition and protest over the communistic and nazi style policies, taxes and fraudulent election practices in this state....our legislature begins a barrage of IN YOUR FACE liberal bills!

I'm sorry - but the people will not be lulled into a *peecee* coma this time! We do not give a damn about rabid enviromentalists CAO programs - this is our land = 100%, we do not share this liberal lust for Josef Mengele nazi-style human experimentation, and we will not give our hard earned money over to the Democrats under the guise of a mountain of failed social programs!

This is America.....Not communist China, Not socialist France or Germany!

Posted by: Deborah on March 1, 2005 11:15 PM
10. I, for one, appreciate the additional language in the bill. The adjective "reproductive" draws attention to the deceptive wordplay in this bill.

I also wonder if our senators have watched Blade Runner too many times? They abhore reproductive cloning (twin-ing..?), but smile upon franken-cloning-- The human-harvesting, "therapetutic" cloning that is ethically bankrupt.

Posted by: Brian on March 2, 2005 12:20 AM
11. Kathy,

There was a famous House of Rep. debate on March 9, 2000 concerning the ILLEGAL trafficking of human body parts.

Fetal tissue body parts sales was REGULATED by our government--under certain circumstances it was legal. (see Public Law 103-43 which Clinton signed.)

A "price list book" and an "order form" was read into the record, detailing which fetal bodypart was offered, how old the unborn human it came from was, how much it would cost, shipping instructions and companies to use.

A site I ran into (American Society for Cell Biology) said a proposed bill (at that time) for greater regulations on these sales would have a "chilling effect on fetal tissue research" in part because purchasers would have to disclose what they bought, state the shipping company, and keep a tracking number" of the delivery.

Ooh, chilling to have to keep a record of the dead being shipped in your mail.

This was in 2000. The research has been going on for DECADES, LEGALLY.

With advances in DNA, sicknesses abounding, boomers getting older, and fertile women grinding up their young in ever greater numbers, it seems a shame to just throw away those perfectly serviceable body parts like so much garbage.

Fortunately, we no longer have to. When you use your order form, please print legibly.

And now, "non-reproductive" CLONING--get more body parts and more money "more faster"!

(and perhaps that bothersome ethics problem about how it's obtained will go away too, if it's just "Reproduced")


Posted by: singer on March 2, 2005 01:26 AM
12. I think that when rich and powerful people see the need for stem-cell research in their own lives, much like Nancy Reagan, then we will have stem-cell research. This is just a non-issue to motivate the boobs to be on your side.

Posted by: headless lucy on March 2, 2005 07:07 AM
13. the bottom line is, people are not expendable utilities. This bill proposes they are.

Posted by: singer on March 2, 2005 08:38 AM
14. Well, if you already have no head "headless" surely it would make no difference to you. Unless, the mad scientist could clone you a new head, maybe one with a brain this time!

Posted by: chardonnay on March 2, 2005 10:37 AM
15. The cool part about having 'reproductive cloning' there is no labor nor ejection by the female of the species. They could be kept until 10 years after creation and have more mature parts that will fetch a better price!

Posted by: Jonathan on March 2, 2005 10:51 AM
16. "Headless" apparently is attempting to imply she is "boobless" as well......

Posted by: Not Erik on March 2, 2005 11:16 AM
17. Galileo and Copernicus would have a good laugh over this one! The reference to "boobs"is a sideways reference to H.L.Mencken. But I bet you already knew that!

Posted by: headless lucy on March 2, 2005 12:55 PM
18. Keep in mind, Headless, that I was focusing on CLONING and not stem cell research, generally.

Adult stem cell research has already show good promise and is entirely without controversy or serious ethical concerns.

Embryonic stem cell research is another matter. But I would not even raise an issue if it were only about THAT. I'm talking about growing human beings and destroying them specifically for experimentation. Cloning is the main issue here.

In any event, if I were to have some fun with your name, I would've made a barb about your being full of sound & fury, signifying nothing. ; )

Posted by: Seth Cooper on March 2, 2005 01:06 PM
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