February 17, 2005
Pangs Of Guilt

This one cheeses me off, Good 'N Plenty. Although in a plea-bargain deal with prosecutors, Martin Pang agreed to a 35-year sentence for manslaughter in the 1995 deaths of four Seattle firefighters battling an arson blaze he set in his parents' International District warehouse, Pang's attorney now claims his sentence should be cut to time served because it was exceptionally harsh, and the four deaths should count as just one.

The notorious Seattle defense attorney John Henry Browne, according to The Seattle Times, is:

...seeking to vacate Pang's 35-year prison sentence for four counts of first-degree manslaughter and instead have Pang's prison term reduced to time already served.

....Four Seattle firefighters died in January 1995, when a floor in this Chinatown International District warehouse collapsed on them. Martin Pang, who set the fire in the building owned by his parents, was convicted of four counts of manslaughter.

In his motion, Browne says Pang's 35-year sentence is unconstitutional in light of a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling that makes it illegal for a judge, without the help of a jury, to impose an exceptionally long sentence. That so-called Blakely decision was issued in 2004 in response to a Washington state kidnapping case.

The Supreme Court essentially said that prosecutors have to prove to a jury that a crime warrants an exceptionally harsh sentence. Browne said the standard sentencing range for each count of manslaughter should have been 8-½ years, with the sentences all served at the same time. The trial court judge who sentenced Pang in 1998, however, gave him four sentences of about 8-½ years each, to be served one after the other for a total of 35 years.

Right, Mr. Browne. A plea bargain was struck. Now, the last three deaths on Pang's hands are free if you win. It's a good thing defense attorneys exist. But you bring discredit to your profession, sir.

Actions have consequences. and a deal is a deal. For serious and heinous crimes such as Pang's, where multiple deaths result; consecutive, not concurrent sentences are the only appropriate legal and moral remedy.

The Perpetrators Rights parade is just getting started.

Posted by Matt Rosenberg at February 17, 2005 06:40 PM | Email This
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1. But the real question is.... did Martin get his ballot on time?

Posted by: bmvaughn on February 17, 2005 06:35 PM
2. I knew Randy Turlicker. He was one of the firefighters who died. He use to be a swimming instructor at the Lynnwood pool, and he taught me how to swim when I was young before he became a firefighter. I remember him well, everyone liked him. He was a great guy.

That said, I never understood quite why Pang originally faced the death penalty. Don't you have to have intent to kill to get the death penalty? He clearly didn't have that. Don't get me wrong, he deserved to be punished, but why was the death penalty part of the deal?

Anyhow, whatever. I hope the families of the victims are at peace about whatever happens.

Posted by: Cliff on February 17, 2005 07:22 PM
3. The way the State Law reads, and mind you I am not sure it still does, is that a death caused by an arson fire is considered as murder. I don't know all the legal details involved, but I believe it boils down to an arsonist should know that an act of arson carries with it a definate chance of someone being killed. That is why the death penality was being talked about and that is why Mr Pang accepted the plea bargin deal. A deal he should be held to.

Posted by: RobertinTacoma on February 17, 2005 07:29 PM
4. This sums it all up. When Martin Pang gets off because of an ex post facto ruling regarding what must be considered in making an exceptional sentence, society has officially descended into moral depravity. THOUSANDS of people lined the route of the procession following the memorial service for Walter Kilgore, Gregory Shoemaker, James Brown, and my friend, Randy Terlicker.
This is where it really gets deeply personal. 1995 flashes back like it was yesterday.
I first met John Henry Browne in 1976 - when he was a young public defender, and I was a high school student - at a leadership forum sponsored by the Centrum Foundation. Black trench coat, shiny black Saab, more expletives than a Nixon transcript - a proto G. Gordon Liddy if there ever was one. Reflecting back on that, "gag me" predominates the impression.
If John Henry Browne rules the day - a technical maneuver to spite the legacy of our Firefighters - my activist phase will have begun in earnest...

Posted by: P. Scott on February 17, 2005 07:37 PM
5. I have no sympathy for Pango-bango. He gets what he deserves. In fact, maybe he really didn't even get what he deserved.

Posted by: Michele S on February 17, 2005 09:20 PM
6. No, Mr Pang did not get near what he deserved. Those 4 firefighters had enough time to know that they were in deep trouble when a rumble started and Lt Shoemaker yelled "Lets get the hell out of here!". Three of them went into the inferno immediately and investigators think that Jim Brown probably fell in while trying to exit the building. Several more suffered burns to some extent in the few seconds it took them to dive out of the building. Mr Pang needs to sit in jail for the remainder of his entire sentence.

Posted by: RobertinTacoma on February 17, 2005 09:56 PM
7. Pang did not face the death penalty because that was part of the extradition agreement to have him returned to the state of Washignton from a foreign country. Furthermore, the intent of the murder charge based on a death caused by arson likely was not meant to apply to firefighters, but to potential occupants in the building set on fire.

There is also a legal principle called the professional rescuer doctrine that would come into play. In other words, firefighters are presumed to know the dangers of their occupations and are expected to exercise the caution that a trained profession ought to exercise. Based on this principle and the fact that the families sued the city for negligence; and the department was investigated and fined for safety violations is further evidence that a portion, if not a majority, of the fault for the deaths of the firefighters is with the department and the city.

I don't know if Browne used the professional rescuer doctrine as part of Pang's defense. If he didn't, he should have. If he had, Pang may have been convicted of only arson.

Sure, Pang set the fire, but he had no reason to believe that firefighters would die in it.

Don't blame Browne for doing his job. If the fire department had done theirs with proper training, it is likely that all four of those men would be alive today.

Posted by: Don on February 18, 2005 01:18 AM
8. "Sure, Pang set the fire, but he had no reason to believe that firefighters would die in it. "

There is some high moral ground for you!

Any death that occurs as the result of criminal activity is murder. A getaway driver is just as guilty of murder as the robber in the bank who kills a teller.

alaric

Posted by: alaric on February 18, 2005 07:05 AM
9. RCW 9.48.040 - the 'felony murder rule' applied here and would have been imposed but-for the conditions placed on extradition by the government of Brazil. The professional rescuer doctrine has nothing to do with criminal conduct. To grab a little from the web: The Fireman's Rule (also known as the professional-rescuer doctrine) generally provides that a professional firefighter may not recover damages from a private party for injuries the fireman sustained during the course of putting out a fire even though the private party's negligence may have caused the fire and injury. Waggoner v. Troutman Oil Co., Inc., 320 Ark. 56, 894 S.W.2d 913 (1995). The Fireman's Rule has been justified based on public policy considerations, because the purpose of the firefighting profession is to confront danger.
If this were not the case - firefighters would have to trade in the types of apparatus used in fire fighting today for a combination of airport foam trucks and dropping water by helicopter - and never enter a building burning building ever again.

Posted by: P. Scott on February 18, 2005 08:07 AM
10. alaric: "Any death that occurs as the result of criminal activity is murder. A getaway driver is just as guilty of murder as the robber in the bank who kills a teller."

The law in the state of Washington is not quite so clear. If the driver of the getaway car only agreed to rob the bank without killing anyone, the driver would not be guilty of murder. The law in some other states is different are as you state, but not in Washington.

Posted by: Don on February 18, 2005 08:34 AM
11. I can't help but be amazed at the insanity involved in such injustice. Why not let everyone just do their own thing? It could be like the old West where law grew out of cunning and preparedness to do whatever was necessary. Survival of the fittest.
We don't need policemen or firemen, crime is only the result of poor up-bringing and fire is a natural phonomenon.

I know, let's be nice to Pang and his like and they will learn that they should not do bad things.
Maybe we could all pool our resources and pay to send him on a retreat to the Bahamas or Hawaii so he can get his act together and be a good citizen.

Get a clue Cliff. If I was a family member of one of the firefighter's, I would be waiting around the corner, but not to be nice to Pang. There can be no peace for anyone in this injustice, family or not. I sincerely hope that Pang gets what's coming to him. Unfortunatly it will likely not come through our "Justice" system.

Disgusting.

Posted by: Amazed by the insanity on February 18, 2005 10:22 AM
12. "Sure, Pang set the fire, but he had no reason to believe that firefighters would die in it."

That is why the law tacks a first degree murder charge to ANY death in an arson fire. The total disregard of an arsonist to the possiblity that someone may be killed in a set fire. How about a defense like "Yea, I shot him in the chest, but I really wasn't aiming for his heart and I didn't think that 357mag would have a chance of killing him." Make sense? Not to me.

"If the fire department had done theirs (their job) with proper training, it is likely that all four of those men would be alive today."

Yes, the SFD has had trouble with training in the past. But I don't believe any so called training issue would have made a difference. Firefights are trained to go inside and get to the seat of the fire. You can throw thousands of gallons of water per minute on a large building, but generally you don't get to the seat of the fire until there is a collapse somewhere. Firefighters use the defensive mode when a building is considered unsafe to enter.
The Pang warehouse was a heavy timber building and SHOULD have stood up to hours of burning. What was unknown to the firefighters was that an addition years ago (and legal at that time) used a 2 by 4 "pony wall", about 4 feet high on top of an existing wall to level the building so an additional story could be built. It was this wall that failed and caused the collapse. A 2 by 4 will burn through in about an hour. I believe the collapse was about 40 minutes into the fire, just the right time for that pony wall to lose it's structual integrity. Training would not have prevented that, nor would training have prevented Martin Pang from setting that fire. The facts are that Mr Pang set a fire in a sub basement or basement using flammable liquids and that is the primary cause of the disaster.

It is also absoluting amazing that Martin Pang manage to run and hide in a country that has an extridition treaty with the US, that forbids extridition of an accused person if there is a death penalty involved. Where would he have gotten that info. Coincidence?

Posted by: RobertinTacoma on February 18, 2005 11:34 AM
13. It should be noted that the whole reason for this even being an issue is a decision of Justice Scalia. Damn those right wing activist judges.

That being said, I'm not sure there is much here to worry about. First, Mr. Pang agreed to the sentence. There was no jury to determine any facts, and since Mr. Pang agreed, I think the sentence should be upheld.

But, if the plea agreement is thrown out, it is the whole agreement that is thrown out, not just the sentence. In which case, Mr. Pang gets retried for felony murder. This would not be that hard of a trial to have, there is still plenty of evidence and witnesses. They cannot go for the death penalty because of the extradition agreement, but I have no problems with Mr. Pang being retried and sentenced to life in prision at Walla Walla.

But don't blame the lawyer for doing his job. Everyone has a right to challange their conviction. However, as I said, I don't think in this case he is doing his client any favors.

Posted by: JDB on February 18, 2005 11:35 AM
14. I read with great interest all of the above comments. What I would say to all of you is to channel all that great energy in the right place. As a person of "very, very close involvement" in this case, I would tell you to write to every congressman, governor, lawmaker, city councilperson, mayor, etc. with your strong sentiments. Don't let the judicial system fail us. I would tell you to scream from the mountaintops so that true justice continues on it's path. It is not just a right that we have that's called "freedom of speech", it's a responsibility. We need to constantly use it...and not just in this forum. Use it wisely to let your "leaders" know what their constituents want. I will not comment too personally because of my involvement in this case, but I will strongly encourage all of you to make loud and clear your desires for Martin Pang to stay in prison (or your desires for him to be set free...you too have the same rights).
I don't like John Henry Browne either, but he is doing what we allow him to do legally. If you don't like it...then try to change it.

Posted by: rm on February 21, 2005 11:51 AM
15. I am extremely hurt and upset over the whole situation. Walter Kilgore was my uncle and was a outstanding man as were the other 3 firefighters. This man should be in jail for the rest of his life, 4 families lost there husbands, fathers, sons, etc. Murder is murder period. I dont care what the law says or what happend in a different case. This man murdered 4 men and should be not only in jail for the rest of his life but should have been sentenced to death IMO. As for the lawyer, I hold no grudges against him, he has a job to uphold and thats just a cold fact. If I was in his position I would do the same, granted I probaly wont be shaking his hand anytime soon, I still dont feel any hate. As for Pang not having any reason to believe a firefighter would die is completly ludacris, the man is completly nuts...

Thankyou for your posts, I am deeply touched that you all have expressed your opinions and concern here, I was just doing a google search and happend to run into this message board. The support our families have had throughout the last 10 years has been amazing...

Posted by: A family member.... on March 3, 2005 08:50 PM
16. I was doing a google search and came across this site. I am happy to know that my grandpa; Walter Kilgore is not forgotten. You know it is easy to post comments, I read some not so supportive, but what i can say... untill u have walked in my shoes..any of the family members shoes... u have no idea why were so upset. Untill u seen my grandpas burt body like i did.. u have no idea. So please, lets do all we can... be positive and pray.

Posted by: Erica Kilgore on June 6, 2005 12:22 AM
17. Seems to have slipped everyones mind that people will plead guilty even if they are not because if they dont they are likely to get an even worse sentence. I hope every single one of you are possitive that this man set this fire. Because every one of you will be judged in the same measure that you have judged him, that is "knowing nothing but what you have heard" I dont believe he set that fire and if he did how is it that he is in prison, yet the families recieved big bucks from city of seattle for wrongful death? Who's fault was it? Seattle? or Pangs? How is it the families, got away with accusing both and getting paid off by both? Interesting and very wrong as far as I'm concerned, I hope he gets out asap, Im praying he gets out!

Posted by: TJ on July 7, 2005 11:51 PM
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