January 31, 2005
Cedar County

As Matt Rosenberg noted the other day, a movement is building in rural King County to split off and form a new county. This is gaining momentum. Eastside political giants, including Rep. Toby Nixon and County Councilmember Kathy Lambert, are lending their support. An activist friend e-mailed me and asked me to encourage people to contact Rep. Geoff Simpson, Chair of the House Local Government Committee, to ask him to give a hearing to HB 1500, which will establish rules for forming new counties.

Simpson's phone number is 360 786 7918. He represents the 47th District. If you have friends in that district, please have them call him also. In addition, please call your own Representatives and Senators. The hotline number is 800-562-6000.

Under Cedar County vs Munro the Supreme Court decided that no new county can be formed until the legislature puts a process in law. This bill would develop that process. There are at least two fundamental reasons why this is imperative. First, the constitution says that new counties can be formed. Without the legislation to do so, the people of this state are not able to exercise their rights under the constitution of this state.

Secondly, there has to be an avenue in any relationship where people have the ability to set limits and remove themselves if needed. The HB 1500 was modeled after current divorce laws. Without an avenue to separate from a union that is no longer workable, people suffer. It brings back the words: "....mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." - Declaration of Independence - Thomas Jefferson said it so well....

There are many things happening across the state that make it necessary for this bill to pass. Some counties are on the brink of bankruptcy and want to come back together (an amendment that will be added to HB 1500) and some counties are so powerful that they may dominate the state or be unable to provide the needed services or representation. Whatever the issue, the fundamental issue is that the constitution needs to be made whole.

Please call your Representatives and Rep. Simpson and ask him to give this bill a hearing.0.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at January 31, 2005 10:56 PM | Email This
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1. Well, something has to be done about the power and direction of King County! It is becoming obvious to even the most moderate of conservatives in this county, that King does not have our best interests in mind - especially when it comes to property rights and best use of our tax dollars.
When Ron Sims stood on the steps of the King County admin building and invited people to sue the county and state over the law against gay marriage.....I saw my tax dollars getting flushed down the toilet! King County never met a liberal leaning issue it didn't like. And would not hesitate to spend our tax dollars and take our land rights - to satisfy liberal special interest!

Would Kent fit into Cedar County?

Posted by: Deborah on January 31, 2005 11:38 PM
2. You're in favor of a majority imposing a smoking ban on private business staewide, but you want support for HB 1500 because its unfair that rural King Co. has rules imposed on it by the majority in Metro Seattle.

Posted by: dave on January 31, 2005 11:39 PM
3. Dave -

As far as I know Stefan hasn't stated his position on a smoking ban. It was Matt Rosenberg who made the post you're referring to.

Posted by: Brendon on February 1, 2005 12:17 AM
4. The issue of the smoking ban is off-topic, but I supported Matt in the comments to his post. Continue that discussion below.

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on February 1, 2005 12:19 AM
5. Sorry. Coming back to the issue at hand, I am pessimistic about the chances for the establishment of a Cedar County. What incentive do the Democrats have to pass HB 1500? None.

Paul Berendt's crew may be crooked but they aren't stupid.

Posted by: Brendon on February 1, 2005 12:47 AM
6. If everyone who wanted Cedar County or Freedom County voted Republican, we'd win the state easily. That's the point.

The minority party doesn't introduce legislation that will pass. No, if it was going to pass, some D's would want their name on it prominently. Instead, the minority introduces legislation to have it shot down. The more reasonable the legislation, and the more fiercely it is shot down, the better. They then turn to the people and ask, "Is this who you want running the government?"

By the way, remember that our party isn't divided R vs. D. There's a lot who cross the aisle. It's conservative vs. liberal. We need more C's and fewer L's, whether they have an R or D in their name. So this may have the positive effect of helping some CD's take the LR's seats, or convincing the LR's to be a little more CR.

Posted by: Jonathan Gardner on February 1, 2005 01:25 AM
7. I live in this district and would love to support Cedar County oh yes will contact Geoff Simpson again don't know if it will do any good but i will try thanks,

Posted by: Colleen on February 1, 2005 06:30 AM
8. Umm... Dave. The smoking ban is going to be voted on by the people as I understand, whereas CAO was decided by 7 democrat council members. Taking away citizens assets should not happen unless absolutely necessary, and when it occurs the citizen should be paid extremely well for the loss of property and future investment value. King didn't take the land, but they said "You can't use 65% of YOUR land", luckily King still allows the land owners to pay tax on it... whew! Where would we all be without those tax dollars! People bought land 20 some years ago as a retirement nest egg, but now their land is worth 65% less. Try this. Take your 401k and immediately withdrawl 65% of it and give it to sometime who doesn't give a damn about you. This was the final straw, now we are mad and we don't want to belong to King County's little clan of goons.

Posted by: John on February 1, 2005 08:23 AM
9. I lived in "Cedar County" for 17 years and my husband was a Designer/Builder, building most homes within the KC borders including "Cedar County". We felt there should have been a separation from KC long ago. The sum of all building permits and mitigation fees was greater than his own profit(- income tax), forcing him to stop working at a job he loved.

We also moved because the traffic in and out of Duvall was as congested as I-5 during peak traffic hours. Where did all those road mitigation fees get spent? You guessed it...Seattle! A very good reason to concede from KC. The only "improvements" made to the roads were stop lights, which caused traffic congestion to increase.

Posted by: Liz on February 1, 2005 08:53 AM
10. Liz,
Yes, you are so right. Novelty Hill??? Completely ignored and jammed solid with traffic everyday.
The reason: King County Council members allowed Warehouser subsidiaries to build mega Developments on Redmond ridge.

Because these subsidiaries are campaign contributors to council members growth management was completely ignored, and the developers were able to build their mega developments while the cost of infastucture and improvements was left almost solely on tax payers. With no money in Novelty Hill road, that services Redmond and Duvall, will never be improved to support the growth.

Posted by: Joe on February 1, 2005 09:18 AM
11. I'm a conservative on Queen Anne hill in Seattle, and I would fully support the secession of outlying areas into Cedar County.

No Seattle City Council member nor elected official has any reason or motivation to change their behavior at this point in time. Having a big chunk of the county, along with its citizens and property taxes, get lopped off, might finally light a fire under some of these people.

Posted by: Larry on February 1, 2005 10:01 AM
12. Folks,
Having met with Kathy Lambert and been at the initial meeting, we're starting up a grassroots organization in the next few weeks to push "Cascade County" through. This will take two actions:
- Passage of HB1500 OR a statewide initiative to establish rules on how a county can be created. Geoff can ignore HB1500 if he wants, but we'll be pushing to gather signatures STATEWIDE, so it's a losing battle.
- Gathering signatures for 1/2 of the voters in the new county. Our tentative plan is that Cascade County will include all areas outside of Seattle's current and proposed boundaries... Lots of work to be done still. If you are interested in helping, please drop me an email and we'll get you on the mailing list for our new organization. Regards, John

Posted by: John Hearing on February 1, 2005 10:13 AM
13. I don't know enough about this to comment on the merits of establishing a new, "Cedar County," or its political chances. But I am pleased to see that there is at least a serious effort being undertaken to follow the process.

A band of folks out in rural Snohomish County have crusaded for years to establish their own county--"Freedom County." The problem? Well, State Senator Val Stevens once described them as "crackpots"--if that's any indication. They basically act like separatists and have little respect for the law. The unfortunate part is that the follies of the Freedom County folks obscured the fact that there is nothing wrong, in principle, with the idea of establishing new counties.

Posted by: Seth Cooper on February 1, 2005 10:59 AM
14. How about a bill that helps some of us in OTHER counties dominated by a single major city.

Instead of splitting King County, I would like to see something like is done in, where Cities over a certain size are excluded from the surrounding county and become counties of their own.

Posted by: Paul on February 1, 2005 11:37 AM
15. How about a bill that helps some of us in OTHER counties dominated by a single major city.

Instead of splitting King County, I would like to see something like is done in Virginia, where Cities over a certain size are excluded from the surrounding county and become counties of their own.

Posted by: Paul on February 1, 2005 11:37 AM
16. For the record, interesting websites on this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_city
This expands on the Independent City.

www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/Animation/wa.div.html
This is an animated map of the formation of Washington State counties, with the last formed in 1911.

Posted by: Nancy on February 1, 2005 12:25 PM
17. I live East King County. I'm calling!

Posted by: Michele S on February 1, 2005 12:43 PM
18. As for those of you who wonder what good it will do to call Simpson. Maybe not much. But heck, Ronald Reagan got Dems to drop the top tax rate from a hellacious 70% down to 28% because so many wanted it.

So who knows? Just call.

Posted by: Michele S on February 1, 2005 12:48 PM
19. 'course the only problem with Cascade County is that it will cause the inbred Seattle liberals to be even more so, without any kind of sane influence countywide to counter their behavior.

Posted by: Michele S on February 1, 2005 12:55 PM
20. Michele, Jeane Kirkpatrick said it best...liberals run into trouble when they run out of other people's money to spend.

Posted by: South County on February 1, 2005 01:59 PM
21. Not Cedar County or Cascade County or Freedom County.

Reagan County.

If that doesn't cause hyperventilation in certain areas, nothing will.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega on February 1, 2005 03:13 PM
22. I don't believe Geoff Simpson is interested in hearing from any of his constituents unless they pledge undying fealty to the great big D after his name.

When I wrote him early on in this election debacle to ask him to vote against certification, he replied with a lengthy dissertation about his OWN win by 135 votes after a recount (sound familiar?), then went on to sing the party line: "As an interested observer, I have seen nothing to indicate that anyone stole the election and there are no provisions in state law that allow for a re-vote simply because some people do not like the results of an election....blah, blah, blah, blah blah."

After he voted for the certification, I called his office to ask how many of his constituents asked him to vote AGAINST it and how many asked him to vote FOR it. His aide (Julie?) said she'd get the info and call me back the next day. Golly, gosh, gee whiz, I've yet to hear from her... imagine that!

I've since sent other emails that have been ignored.

The most recent was yesterday when I saw him quoted in that piece about the new county where he said "he knows people are angry and he wants them to have their say." BUT HE ALSO THEN SAID:
"It would be nice if we could focus on real solutions, instead of political stunts,"

Excuse me???? POLITICAL STUNTS???

I am outraged that he considers our concerns about our future and our representation as "stunts". How dare he? It seems to me that in his arrogance of ignoring his constituents he has forgotten that, (quoting HIM now): "It just doesn't seem like the right way to resolve our differences,".

These power hungry party liners NEED to be exposed and we are the only ones that can make that happen.

Posted by: Cheryl on February 1, 2005 03:20 PM
23. Uh John, whats the difference? Both are cases of a majority telling private property owners how to manage their property. They rationalize it by saying they are protecting the environment/ public health, but the reality is they're doing it simply because they can.

Posted by: dave on February 1, 2005 04:07 PM
24. Sims and the democraps on the King County council have no idea how mad people in rural King county are with the passage of the CAO LAND Stealing. Go Cedar County! It is Time to be rid of King County!

Posted by: GS on February 2, 2005 12:07 AM
25. haha Raoul---yes! They would HATE Reagan county. Hey, you haven't posted much lately and I miss seeing your funny stuff. Don't be a stranger!

Posted by: Michele S on February 5, 2005 10:22 PM
26. I'd love to be split of from King County being as I live in North Bend. I did notice that the Summit at Snoqualmie ski area is under King County - I don't see KC giving up their cut of the ski area's tax dollars without a monster of a fight.........but here's hoping!

Posted by: AK on February 21, 2005 04:53 PM
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