Do you suppose that KOMO-TV commentator Ken Schram actually ghost-wrote this piece in The Daily Evergreen?
Posted by Matt Rosenberg at January 15, 2005 05:08 PM | Email ThisHow could one be so eager to advertise their ignorance?
Posted by: Brendon on January 15, 2005 05:07 PM"That’s what they are supposed to be in office for isn’t it?"
Just to get personal here, er, I mean, I didn't want to get personal here, but what kind of an idiot is he/she/it (I don't know if it is Ingrid or Ken or Pat)...
Posted by: smegma on January 15, 2005 05:20 PMPlease don't think these people are writing on behalf of the student body.
Posted by: Brendon on January 15, 2005 05:29 PMPlease don't think these people are writing on behalf of the student body.
Posted by: Brendon on January 15, 2005 05:29 PMVictor, my friend, I agree, but this particular post is tongue-in-cheek stuff...laugh, buddy! He is compared unfavorably to some schoolgirl...Is that where he went to school?
Posted by: smegma on January 15, 2005 05:30 PMBut on the one hand, here we have a well-paid, ostensibly grown-up Seattle TV commentator tongue-in-cheekly, yet still dismissively suggesting a Jeopardy showdown between Rossi and Gregoire to settle the contested election; and on the other hand we have a student writer taking the same approach, but suggesting a duel with guns, instead.
The college paper contributor, I'm sad to say, barely meets a high-school newspaper standard of written commentary. But at least she has an excuse of youth.
Posted by: Matt Rosenberg on January 15, 2005 05:40 PMBelieve me the humor is getting through!
Thanks Again!!
You better tighten those blinders down a bit, you might actually be exposed to a dicussion of facts. Hate for any opinion contrary to Rossi/BIAW spin to sneak it's way in.
Posted by: John on January 15, 2005 07:45 PMCondescension doesn't play well here. There are plenty of differing view points respectfully stated and discussed here. I don't agree w/ everything everyone posts and I've never been banned. Hmmm...wonder if it's because I try my best to be polite and respectful.
I guess that's something you wouldn't understand. Add something useful to the discussion and you won't be banned. Act like an idiot and you will. It's fairly simple.
Posted by: megs on January 15, 2005 08:19 PM"Keep them coming! And if any of these legislators are yours, please contact them, asking them to demand that the Democrats cease their challenge to the court’s juristiction–just as they said should be the case." Quit playing games and do your jobs.
Posted by: mary on January 15, 2005 08:24 PMStefan: Keep up the great work. I was out of town last week and this blog keeps all us informed.
I actually met Ken Schram and at the time his young teenaged son a few years back. He is a personable guy, but he has strange politics.
Puddybud
Posted by ja at January 15, 2005 06:25 PM
The Evergreen State College's newspaper ???
The Daily Evergreen or the Daily never read as it used to be so affectionately called is from WSU AKA Wazoo AKA Moo-U down in Pullman.
The case is before the court now. What are you trying to accomplish? Having legislators call the court to influence their decision?
Should people be emailing Rossi's legal team and request that they keep their briefs to less than 10 pages?
I don't get the feeling that Rossi's attorneys need to have the demcrats hold back. Rossi and the BIAW attorneys are high caliber and expensive. Do you really believe they need for the democrats to hold back their legal arguments?
Posted by: Erik on January 15, 2005 08:40 PMNow, though, Reed says he wants Assistant Attorney General Jeff Even on the case and to have him work with attorney Thomas Ahearne and his firm, Foster Pepper & Shefelman.
Reed praised Ahearne — who played a prominent role in successfully defending Reed in two Supreme Court cases in the recount — but said Even is an expert in election law and the state has been at a disadvantage without him. "
Reed says, "I don't think McKenna wants to be personally involved in this case because of highly political and partisan nature of the dispute.
But McKenna said he will be as involved as he would in any case and will work with Reed on the state's defense."
What's wrong SOS Reed? Are you afraid of something??
Does anyone know about this law firm?? Do you all know they are democrats?? Did this law firm give money to the democratic or Gregoire campain?? Do you know that this firm had legal teams ready to go in the event gregoire lost??
Posted by: mary on January 15, 2005 08:46 PM“Democrats want the case thrown out because they believe the state Constitution grants the Legislature, not the courts, the power to invalidate a gubernatorial election. They will argue that the court lacks the proper jurisdiction to rule on the matter"
this was after gregoire sworn in. But prior to swearing in, this was their stance which was written in all of our email responses:
“The final decision resides with the courts, just as it did in the 2000 presidential election, and I will abide by their decision.”
Posted by: mary on January 15, 2005 08:54 PMThanks for the correction. On reflection it's really not very Greener-like, is it?
Posted by: ja on January 15, 2005 08:55 PM"NO NO NO you CAN'T see how many felons voted....we don't want them to be afraid to vote next time."
"NO- once you file a lawsuit, you can't go research your position ANYMORE...everything is frozen."
oh how I look forward to midterms and 2008.
Yes, jurisdiction is a common argument made in court. The democrats are trying to prevail just as the republicans are. Either the courts have jurisdiction or not. One can't agree to having jurisdiction even if they wished to.
For instance, a small claims court cannot handle a divorce case even if they wanted to and the parties agreed to it.
Posted by: Erik on January 15, 2005 09:28 PMI see this site, and it's posters such as yourself, don't waste time with condecension, you head straight to personal attacks. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
John
Oh, and BTW pointing out Sharkansky's misrepresentations is something useful, if you're interested in the truth, rather than just partisan invective.
Posted by: John on January 15, 2005 09:42 PMThanks for teaching me the word invective, good to add to the vocabulary once in a while. :)
Unfortunately, I think it doesn't applies to most of the stuff that appears on this site. A number of the posts provide information that I just don't see anywhere else.. and regarding the site you mention, the motives are quite clear.. regarding data: data comes in.. gets reported.. more data comes in.. new information revealed. Yet, strangely enough, there are still over 1800 more votes than voters in KC alone..
Posted by: Newsboy on January 15, 2005 10:27 PMI know some people at KOMO and they say between Schram and his swollen head, it's hard to get a word in edgewise.
I think most of Schram's inflammatory comments are just designed to bring him more attention to raise his value. Look at Mary Mapes, this is what sells today in journalism.
Posted by: Jeff B. on January 15, 2005 10:58 PMStudent-run newspapers statewide are notorius for being boring and unresponsive to politics. While The Daily Evergreen article could have been written by a toddler in a tirade (Schram or any other MSM "nut") at least they are attempting to taking on the Governor's fiasco.
Unfortunately, like most student-run media, these papers are run by liberal crackpots who are spoon-fed ideas by the Bigger Media sources and their left-leaning, washed-up 60's era, radical professors. More than likely, the student actually watches Scamm, I mean Schram.
That's why the Washington College Repubplican Federation is launching a blog- to take back student media and give students an alternative to the well-established distribution sources (READ Lefty-wannabe-intellectual Campus Newspapers).
Posted by: CR ACTIVIST on January 15, 2005 11:06 PMIt drives this law & order girl crazy@!!!
Posted by: Michele S on January 15, 2005 11:09 PMKeep us posted, and keep up the good work!
Posted by: Matt Rosenberg on January 15, 2005 11:18 PMYou can expect a response from the WSU College Republicans. Whether our campus rag actually prints it is another story....
Posted by: Greg on January 15, 2005 11:48 PMHe and Demotratic party loyalists believe that we should not spend the money for a new election. Well, as about 60% of the Washington residents believed a revote was the only really fair way to settle this election, it appears that a revote is dead from their perspective.
But there perspective is not the only perspective here. It appears that the Judicial system will take the final look at the irregular voting in King and other counties. They will be forced to take a deep look into every vote that was cast, and it's handling. This will be the final chapter in this election.
I do not personally believe a revote will be their course of action on this matter. But I do believe there is an excellent possibility that the manual recount will be set aside due to major voting irregularities. In my view it should be set aside.
I am tired of hearing we have a governor, as I do not have a governor, I have a complete disgust in the mismanagement of the King County elections department, and Dead people and Felons aside, I find it particularly troublesome that nearly 400 provisional ballots were never checked but allowed into the counting stream. I find it particuarly troublesome that nearly 55,000 ballots were remarked in such a way that the initial intent of the voter could not be challenged in a contest. I find it particularly troublesome that King County was able to count in such a way that the rest of the counties in the state could not.
Ken and others, I have and I exercise that right to vote each year. I want our laws followed as they were written, and in an election this close I want them absolutely followed. It is our right to contest, and contest we will.
Posted by: GS on January 15, 2005 11:54 PMKen Schram is a republican who voted for Rossi and makes a ton of dough.
The Daily Evergreen is a far left newspaper published at a "experimental college" which gives no letter grades and students are able to make up their own degrees.
What evidence is there that Schram wrote the article in the student rag?
It just seems to me that he has more lucruative things to do that write an article in the Evergreen. Plus, if he didn't, then all of the speculation amounts to zilch.
A few corrections to your post are in order...1st- Schram is NOT a republican. I heard him on Carlson saying he is not a republican. True, he did say he voted for Rossi, but that does not make him a Republican. Secondly, you will see that Matt Rosenberg did not say that Schram wrote this piece..it was a question and it was a joke. He says so earlier in another post.
Posted by: Miriam on January 16, 2005 12:26 AMOk. If Schram votes republican in the elections and is in the top tax bracket, what else is required to be considered a republican?
Second question : do you believe Sam Reed is a republican?
Posted by: Erik on January 16, 2005 12:47 AMIt would seem to me that the best way to win an election of any consequence in the state of Washington is to actually lose first. Then you can manipulate the recounts until you win and call it all legit and move on, a winner. The "loser" is then a whiner who does not want what is best for the state. Interesting strategy.
Odd but true?
REVOTE. From your Florida base.
Posted by: niceville on January 16, 2005 06:54 AMWhat evidence is there that Schram wrote the article in the student rag?"
Posted by Erik
Erik,
Please read the posts before you make yourself look like a(n) -------- (fill in your own blank)
In the 8th post down in this thread Matt admits this was a joke.
You understand what he means by that ?
And also if you took the time to read the posts before jumping on everyone you might also read my previous post.
Here it is again...read it slowly and try to digest the complexity of it
"The Evergreen State College's newspaper ???
The Daily Evergreen or the Daily never read as it used to be so affectionately called is from WSU AKA Wazoo AKA Moo-U down in Pullman."
Posted by J Mc at January 15, 2005 08:37 PM
Now the party tune they (demos and CG) are all singing is that the court does not have jurisdiction.
Erik see no duplicity in this as he replies: "Yes, jurisdiction is a common argument made in court."
Well, then why all the subterfuge before CG took office? This is a democratic shell game that the average ten year old can see through. Do they think we are all that stupid? This is democrats using "Let's make up the rules as you go along."
Democrat code of ethics-
"Rule #1: there are no rules, just win at any cost. Lie, cheat, steal."
Hmmm. Well the Washington State Republican Party has him on his web site. He was selected by the republicans in the primary.
Don't you think it a bit of a stretch now to question this.
Jurisdiction:
This is democrats using "Let's make up the rules as you go along."
The Washington State Constitution alone determines the jurisdictional issues in the contest action, not the democrats or the republicans.
I don't think you understand what is meant if a court has no jurisdiction. It means that they do not have the power to act period. The issue is often determined by the courts themselves as preliminary matter.
Yes, the courts are going to determine whether there is jurisdiction for the contest.
Posted by: Erik on January 16, 2005 10:55 AMThe Daily Evergreen is the student publication of Washington State University, a respectable academic institution. Please do not compare us Cougs to the nutballs of the Evergreen State College.
Posted by: Greg on January 16, 2005 10:57 AM"The Daily Evergreen is a far left newspaper published at a "experimental college" which gives no letter grades and students are able to make up their own degrees."
No, Erik, you are thinking of The Evergreen State Collge, in Olympia. The Daily Evergreen is the student newspaper at Washington State University, in Pullman.
Posted by Greg at January 16, 2005 10:57 AM
Ooops. Sorry.
Posted by: Erik on January 16, 2005 11:34 AMhttp://www.strategicvision.biz/political/washington_gov.htm
Posted by: niceville on January 16, 2005 02:37 PM