1. Hey Shark, just wondering why you keep pounding the Yuschenko theme when you ought to know as well as anyone that he was funded by the same interests funding Gregoire?

Yes, Soros's moveon.org poured money into Gregoire's hand recount, just as Soros poured money into Yuschenko's campaign.

Good job making fools out of Washington state's Republicans.

Posted by: Don Greer on January 14, 2005 01:28 AM

2. Thank you Mr. Sharkansky. The Pacific NW is counting on y'all. While I am an unemployed math teacher down here in Bend, is there any numbers I can crunch for you?

Posted by: Ray J. Tuleya, Oregon on January 14, 2005 01:47 AM

3. Don, you are so missing the point.

Posted by: Bostonian on January 14, 2005 05:56 AM

4. the point is on both of your heads!

maybe we will get a more fair balance election in Iraq than we did in Washington State?

the Shiite (Dems) v. Sunni (Reps) or is it the other way around?

these blog sites are no better than watching FOX News or CNN or listening to Rush on one station and then turning to Dave Ross on the other. puffery and arrogance everyone wants to be a star.

i will leave you all with that. sheesh then everyone wonders why there is so much cynacism and no one votes.

Posted by: JPO on January 14, 2005 07:22 AM

5. No one votes? Did you miss the whole "record number of voters" thing in this last election?

Posted by: Timothy on January 14, 2005 07:46 AM

6. Actually, I think it's a "record number of VOTES". They're still trying to find the voters....

Posted by: Ken on January 14, 2005 08:00 AM

7. It's nice to see that the site has gotten enough influence now to attract trolls and spoilers on a regular basis. The facility of an open dialogue is why this medium is the future.

Go, Stefan and company.

Posted by: SnoCoTom on January 14, 2005 08:33 AM

8. Signs that the republicans have a good case:

What a 'public servant' Gregoire is! She's now trying to keep the public from learning how many total felons statewide voted in the election by throwing up legal blocks to getting birthday information about said felons to complete the research. Tell everyone you know. This woman is acting like a tyrant, not a governor who swore to serve the people.

Posted by: Michele S on January 14, 2005 08:50 AM

9. Christine has a long and distinguished history of sealing up public records, something Dino should pound away at if the election contest is successful and a new campaign begins in earnest.

As for the name, what about "Former Attorney General Gregoire"? Indisputably accurate, and subtly gets the point across.

Posted by: TB on January 14, 2005 09:23 AM

10. No, I'm not missing the point. Everybody wearing an orange ribbon is missing the point. A legitimate election was overturned in the Ukraine just as a legitimate election has been overturned here, and the same gang was responsible. So why in the world are Republicans wearing this stupid orange ribbon?

This is not "beside the point" or a "spoiler" issue. It is dead serious. When Republicans, led along by people like Sharkansky, can't even figure out who is undermining their efforts they are doomed to failure.

So what are Republicans going to do, keep on foolishly legitimizing the very forces that enabled cheating both here and abroad? It's no wonder people refer to the Republican party as the "stupid party".

For the record, I voted for Rossi, and I am furious about moveon.org and Soros meddling in our local politics. I refuse to honor George Soros by wearing an orange ribbon, and I find it suspicious when an intelligent man who proclaims himself to be a Republican promotes a movement that is anathema to our values.

Posted by: Don Greer on January 14, 2005 09:46 AM

11. To Mr. Greer:
It is so mature to refer to the Republican party as "stupid". This issue goes beyond party affiliation and addresses issues that should be of concern to EVERY voter in the state of Washington.
To not address this NOW would be "stupid'!

PS: I am an old hippie but have been a "card carrying" Republican all my life.

Posted by: Kathie Neville on January 14, 2005 10:22 AM

12. Hey TB. Good Idea! Though there is something to be said for the variations on Gregoire and Fraud. In at least one major media report they mentioned the "Fraudacy" label and others starting to stick. Which means that it's getting under their skin! Can't do that unless they know down deep that we're right!

Posted by: Victor on January 14, 2005 10:59 AM

13. Don Greer: "A legitimate election was overturned in the Ukraine."

Er, what? You thought the election that gave the Ukraine presidency to Yanukovich was LEGITIMATE?!

And your reason for thinking this is what? That Soros funded Yuschenko? (Newsflash: it's not all about George Soros. You cannot tell what is right or wrong by taking the opposite side from him in all cases. He's just a rich loon.)

Posted by: Bostonian on January 14, 2005 12:54 PM

14. And I thought the Republicans were the eeevil party.

Posted by: Bostonian on January 14, 2005 12:55 PM

15. I think that GovNull is suitable.

Posted by: TADD on January 14, 2005 03:33 PM

16. Gregoires Glass Reality

While the seemingly invincible Gregoire spouts
her unification speech, failing to derail the momentum of truth, she is also building a tower of contention that soon will come crashing down upon her glass vision of reality. Make no mistake this election is not over. Gone is the day in this great state that citizens allow larcenous liberal democrats to dictate what we should believe, think, or accept! Like 15 ten-thousandths of a percent is some how a victory. 2100+ invalid ballots surely must trump Chris’s so called “mandate” or does she think we are all mathematically challenged?
I do declare that there are many who will not give up this fight! The democratic rug is nailed to the floor, the broom is in the fire and dirt is everywhere!

Terry Busch

Posted by: Terry Busch on January 14, 2005 04:00 PM

17. To Bostonian:

My reasons for believing the initial vote in the Ukraine was legitimate come from OSCE Watch, courtesy of the BHHRG, which had observers on-site:

http://oscewatch.org/CountryReport.asp?CountryID=22&ReportID=230

To Kathy Neville:

Although I am neither old nor a hippie, I agree with you that this issue (Gregoire's fraud) is very important. That's why I also think it important that we choose who we align ourselves with. If we align ourselves with the same people who enabled the fraud, we are just ignorant losers.

The "stupid party" phrase is not one I invented myself. In fact, it has been used for some time now by people such as Steve Sailer, a sometimes-brilliant polemicist who, according to his blog, corresponds with Mr. Sharkansky.

I simply think Mr. Sharkansky should clean up his act. This association with Yuschenko (among others), is not going to do Republicans a bit of good in the long run.

Posted by: Don Greer on January 14, 2005 07:02 PM

18. If anyone is still reading this thread, I'd like to respond to Mr. Greer's comments about the election contests in Ukraine.

In my mind, SP is correct to adopt the color orange for this election contest effort because Yuschenko, whatever his drawbacks may be, represents a pro-democracy, pro-freedom, open society. Yanukovich was supported by Putin, and neither of those men support those goals.

Mr. Greer's comments sound eerily like those of Justin Raimondo's remarks. JR wrote a commentary that appeared in an English-language pro-Yanukovich Internet newspaper that I found hard to stomach. The 'reasoning' is pretty off-topic for this comment, but I'm not happy to see arguments like Mr. G's showing up on this blog. It worries me.

But... maybe it's a good thing! More smoke and confusion from the other side may mean they are getting even more worried than we think they are??

Hope so.

Posted by: Mac on January 14, 2005 11:43 PM

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