1. Just proves you don't need to be smart, or even use your brain at all to be a Democrat. If you don't have an opinion borrow one from your neighbor.

Posted by: Adriel on January 12, 2005 10:53 AM

2. Here again it goes to show that they don't respect the idea that the state exists outside of KC.

Posted by: Susu on January 12, 2005 10:58 AM

3. Right, and so many of the demonstrators there at the Rally on the Gregoire side were union workers. These people were either brownshirts, or otherwise unneeded workers that were most likely being paid to protest. As prominently displayed as their Gregoire signs, were there IBEW logos, etc. And they were there to shout over the speeches of our organized rally and to disrupt.

On the ReVote side, there were many normal, everyday citizens. Very curteous people. There was a very friendly air amongst the ReVote group. People like myself who took our own time, out of our own businesses to show up for something we know is important to all Washingtonions; honest election process.

The Democrats are on the decline because their party and their ideas are about hatred and maintenance of the status quo.

Posted by: Jeff B. on January 12, 2005 11:37 AM

4. My favorite, "Don't waste our tax $ on your hurt feelings."

Get over it, you lost.

Republicans in Washington sound like democrats in Ohio.

Posted by: bill crowbar on January 12, 2005 11:39 AM

5. I suppose the RATs were lucky they had their brain trust there yesterday.

Posted by: South County on January 12, 2005 11:41 AM

6. Jeff B. The reason the rally was so poorly supported by Democrats is because the charges are so completely ridiculous

Posted by: bill crowbar on January 12, 2005 11:43 AM

7. I read comments like that of bill crowbar and I hear comments from the "D" legislature (except Tim Sheldon) and I can't help but think they don't want the truth to be exposed. They mention that no fraud has been alleged. Might they stop to ponder that no fraud is being alleged because it doesn't need to be alleged. The facts are the facts and they will be made known during the court proceeding. I just wonder if people making these comments will follow the court proceeding and view the evidence as closely as they are monitoring this blog. Or, will they turn the other way and cover their eyes saying "if you can't see me, I can't see you (it)"?

Posted by: Orange Robyn on January 12, 2005 11:50 AM

8. I read comments like that of bill crowbar and I hear comments from the "D" legislature (except Tim Sheldon) and I can't help but think they don't want the truth to be exposed. They mention that no fraud has been alleged. Might they stop to ponder that no fraud is being alleged because it doesn't need to be alleged. The facts are the facts and they will be made known during the court proceeding. I just wonder if people making these comments will follow the court proceeding and view the evidence as closely as they are monitoring this blog. Or, will they turn the other way and cover their eyes saying "if you can't see me, I can't see you (it)"?

Posted by: Orange Robyn on January 12, 2005 11:51 AM

9. bill crowbar:

You need a statistics lesson. Based on the number of votes and the margin of victory, there is no way that anybody won or loss. That fact is purely academic. Then you toss in the complete incompetence, and possibly fraud in King County and you truly have no way to really determine the outcome.

There is no comparison to Ohio, other than it involves votes.

Posted by: Jon on January 12, 2005 11:56 AM

10. Regarding the suit filed by Dr. Author Coday, "the hand recount was unconstitutional, as it was funded by special interests outside the state".

That's just not true ... it will "eventually" be funded by WA state taxpayers. Just like recounting and recounting "eventually" showed GreGore won!! Sorry, I couldn't resist regressing to liberal revisionist rationalization.

Posted by: Mike J on January 12, 2005 11:57 AM

11. The problems are inconsistancies in the nature of our voting system (and are not fraud). It would be lovely to come up with the PERFECT system, but good luck.

A revote would contain all the problems of the original vote. Is it that Republicans hope the errors favor them this time? Like Ohio and Florida.

Posted by: bill crowbar on January 12, 2005 11:57 AM

12. Jon, you need a reality lesson. Gregiore will (or has been) sworn in today.

Why? Because she won the election.

A tie is when both candidates get the exact same number.

Posted by: bill crowbar on January 12, 2005 12:01 PM

13. Orange Robyn-You say you think the Dems don't want the truth...

I ask you, what pray tell is the truth?

Do you folks not understand that the outcome of the hand recount cannot be changed unless it can be shown that the winner would be different...

How do you come to the assumption that the winner would be different with the information given in this forum?

There were more ballots cast than registered voters in KC...the same is true for virtually every other county in the state...is that proof that those overballots would change the outcome?

I would assume the owner's of this site would have all the statistical info about who all these supposed irregular ballots went to if they did a thorough FOIA as they intimate...

Why are those tallys not posted here?

Do they not want the truth? ;)

Fix the system...

Posted by: G Davis on January 12, 2005 12:05 PM

14. "A tie is when both candidates get the exact same number."

Then why did Gregoire call it a tie when she was behind by a couple hundred votes?

Posted by: ecurbh on January 12, 2005 12:05 PM

15. CROWBAR: HOW MANY DEAD VOTERS IS TOO MANY? HOW MANY FELONS ARE TOO MANY?

Posted by: UP YOURS on January 12, 2005 12:05 PM

16. Bill C:
Washington has nothing to do with Ohio and Florida. Gore never led in Florida, Kerry never led in Ohio. 204,000 signed the revote petition. Only a small number of conspiracy theorists believe that Kerry won Ohio. I want a revote with less errors and hopefully a margin where the winner can be clearly determined.

Posted by: Terry Mueller on January 12, 2005 12:07 PM

17. I forgot to add that reading this thread is rather alarming...not very inclusive, are these comments...

All folks of all ilks should be allowed their say...I'm sorry to see such vitriol in a site that espouses full representation for our state...

Posted by: G Davis on January 12, 2005 12:08 PM

18. Dead people voting, people voting twice, more votes than voters are just "inconsistancies" and not fraud. Are you joking? I'm reminded of the 3 monkeys..hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil!

A suggestion put forth by one of the speakers yesterday, to clean out the voter lists, would be for everyone to re-register. Might be a good idea.

Another fact brought out which I wasn't aware of:
all of the county auditors in the state are elected officials except for.......KC! It figures.

Posted by: Susu on January 12, 2005 12:08 PM

19. I forgot to add that reading this thread is rather alarming...not very inclusive, are these comments...

All folks of all ilks should be allowed their say...I'm sorry to see such vitriol in a site that espouses full representation for our state...

Posted by: G Davis on January 12, 2005 12:08 PM

20. Have you head Gregoireovich's latest pronouncements? She's STILL in Bhagdad Bob mode; she's still spouting the 'no evidence of fraud' thing even yesterday. I can't believe it; as gov., she has no ability to recognize a situation; or if she does, she's working on her ability to lie!

Posted by: Michele on January 12, 2005 12:09 PM

21. I understand that there will be errors in a process as a large as a state or nation wide election. However, when existing procedures are not followed and discrepancies many times greater than the margin of error exist. The election must be considered invalid. There are really two issues here.

1) The margin of victory was less than the margin of error. - Should allow a revote. (I would have supported this in the Florida case, however, not Ohio the numbers clearly indicate this was not an issue)

2) The lack of accountability in the KC elections office - rules were not followed and discrepancies exist. While you may not agree that it is fraudulent, you cannot deny the fact that while those admitted discrepancies exist no clear count can be determined.

Finally, if a revote was to be held, it should be coupled with a re-registration effort. It needs to happen regardless. While it may take a little more time, I prefer that we work to clean the roster which will REDUCE the potential for error, by getting the dead, felons and double voting types off the list.

Posted by: Jon on January 12, 2005 12:13 PM

22. Quoting bill crowbar from January 12, 2005 11:57 AM
>Jon, you need a reality lesson. Gregiore will (or >has been) sworn in today.
>
>Why? Because she won the election.
>
>A tie is when both candidates get the exact same >number.

Really? Tell that to Gregoire who declared at a televised news conference that a "42-vote margin, my friends, that is a tied race."

(http://www.komo4.com/stories/34102.htm)

Posted by: Paul on January 12, 2005 12:14 PM

23. Up Yours, very mature.

Did you follow the stories about the dead voting? Many voted absentee before their deaths. some spouses submitted absentee ballots for the recently dead spouse. A vote that went to Rossi (according to a times story). If it had been possible it would have been corrected.

Posted by: bill crowbar on January 12, 2005 12:14 PM

24. Another Leftist reminds of the theory that hurting someone's feelings somehow threatens that person's right to free speech. Not so, pal.

Posted by: Bostonian on January 12, 2005 12:18 PM

25. What you are proposing is changing the rules, the voting environment if you will, to suit your wants and needs...

How does that work under current state law?

You're willing to try to rework state law at tremendous cost to the taxpayers in an attempt to reelect your candidate even though there is no overriding proof that the outcome would be any different than the last one?

Where is that a good principle for the good citizens of this state...

Fix the system to be sure...make the laws work for more transparent, verifiable and accessible elections...

But to ask the taxpayers to rework the entire system in retrospect is not founded, in my humble opinion...

Posted by: G Davis on January 12, 2005 12:19 PM

26. About Gregoire's comment ("42-vote margin, my friends, that is a tied race."). It was said to rally her troops during the LEGAL recounts. You know, like a coach does for his team.

Otherwise she is just wrong, plus 42 is only a tie in vegas with points.

Posted by: bill crowbar on January 12, 2005 12:19 PM

27. "Up Yours, very mature." - bill crowbar

I hope that wasn't a response to my posting? Ok I will accept that there may have been a couple votes from the recently dead, however, it does not explain the remaining vote count mis-match or felons. Or the stats.

G Davis:
"All folks of all ilks should be allowed their say...I'm sorry to see such vitriol in a site that espouses full representation for our state..."

- Yes you can express an idea, please ensure that you can back it up with something other than pure emotion.

Posted by: Jon on January 12, 2005 12:23 PM

28. Stop feeding the flaming liberal TROLLS ~ They are all complete morons!

Posted by: Trollminator on January 12, 2005 12:26 PM

29. Gregiore has not been sworn-in today, she has been installed.

The Courts will apply the correct solution, revote.

My only hope in is that they also deal with King County.

Posted by: Stevenantony on January 12, 2005 12:27 PM

30. But to ask the taxpayers to rework the entire system in retrospect is not founded, in my humble opinion...

It is not a re-work. There is precident. And it will not cost near as much as the DSHS:

Among the audit's official findings, DSHS:

• paid $22 million to individuals who did not provide valid Social Security Numbers (SSN) or offered no SSN at all;

• paid more than $1 million to individuals claiming a deceased relative's SSN;

• provided $1.3 million in unallowable medical services to illegal aliens;

• cannot account for more than 1.4 million in pills worth in excess of $529,000; and

• did not cooperate with SAO's audit, leading to the disclaiming of the $6.1 billion Medicaid program.

Hey if we are tossing my money out the window, I want to make sure I at least have a say in which window.

Posted by: Jon on January 12, 2005 12:30 PM

31. crowbar bill throws up a strawman and knocks him down. There is more to this than just dead voters but he knows that.
How about the 1800 or is it 3500 extra votes that we have in King county. ...Oh I forgot, Your director of elections told us they were "registered" voters who did not sign in. That seems like a real high # in a democrat county run by dems. I know you understand why we are so concerned you just won't admit it.

Posted by: Brad on January 12, 2005 12:30 PM

32. You all are focusing on KC which favors Democrats (and Democracy), but what of the counties that favor Rossi?

In a court battle the KC inconsistancies will be shown to exist in all counties.

The vote will stand. Chelan may rule in favor of the Republicans but the Supreme court will overturn its ruling.

Posted by: bill crowbar on January 12, 2005 12:47 PM

33. "INCONCISTANCIES"......a liberal, head-in-the-sand word for FRAUD!

Posted by: Susu on January 12, 2005 12:52 PM

34. Comments by the union organizers and the other leftist for this Governor-n-Thief reinforces the idea that Eastern Washington would be better off suceeding from this "Blue" state and joining with Idaho as the Constitution will not allow for it to form its own State. As a union man myself it is a shame that my brothers are so blind to the politics of the left that they do not see the true danger those politics pose to the Nation and this State. With out Businesses investing money no Building Projects start and those of us in the trades will find ourselves on welfare. For those who say that the State will provide the Projects, you need to have tax revenue to do those and if businesses leave this State where are you going to get the taxes. By raising the taxes of all of us in this State. Its time to make a choice, are we going to fight for our rights and the law, or are we going to roll over and let this Coup suceed. If so then its time to take our money else where.

Posted by: David B Howard on January 12, 2005 01:32 PM

35. David, you're a bright and perceptive guy. I only wish your union thug brothers and sisters had enough brain cells to understand anything you might try to say to them!

Posted by: Ferrous on January 12, 2005 02:04 PM

36. Here's the deal........

The Dems - (including all of those in our legislature - with the exception of Sheldon) who are so quick to dismiss ANY and ALL of the concerns of the people of this state, by simply spouting a script and repeating a mantra "That there was no fraud presented or proven"....should really take these next couple of days to figure out what in the heck they are going to do and say....if and when *Fraud* IS proven in this election!

They have expressed an interest in the contest of this election.....ONLY IF THERE IS A FINDING OF FRAUD......

Are they prepared for that finding?

Most of us know and understand that there have been many *findings* in this election investigation that have not become public yet....
If in fact, instances of fraud are presented and proven during the contest .....are the Dems ready to concede to Rossi? Will it be at this time that they express outrage at the tactics of their own party?

I think they need to start seriously thinking about what their *appropriate* response will be....

Posted by: Deborah on January 12, 2005 02:14 PM

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