Sound Politics: Now on Carlson

January 06, 2005

Now on Carlson

Tom McCabe of BIAW discussing his group's findings of fraud. KVI 570

- A convicted axe murderer voted from a lunatic asylum.
- The batch of 400 affidavits collected over a weekend by Bawling Berendt and his house crawlers collected contains what appears to be several forgeries. This is not firm and will be verified by a credentialed forgery expert.
- Investigators found 52 felons who voted in Pierce County (reported yesterday)
- New news today: investigators found 7 felons who voted in Snohomish County (so far). investigation still in progress.

UPDATE:

Former Senator (and Attorney General) Slade Gorton was just on. Made the point that it is not necessary to show fraud. Only that the number of illegal votes or mistakes made was more than the margin of victory.

Revotewa.com's Sharon Gilpin says they have already collected close to 150,000 petitions. These will be delivered to Speaker Frank Chopp early next week.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at January 06, 2005 03:10 PM | Email This

Comments

1. Just because he is an axe murderer doesn't mean he should be disenfranchised. I mean, its not like he is a murderer or something, oh wait, strike that last comment.

Posted by: Marc on January 6, 2005 03:15 PM

2. And has anyone considered the poor axe?

Posted by: SnoCo Voter on January 6, 2005 03:26 PM

3. Actually, in all seriousness, allegation #2 is very big if proven true. 1. It implicates the Democrat party 2. It puts the question back in to play as to whether these ballots should be legally counted. I will be most interested to see if they can prove this, as we know that all 400 of these ballots were Gregoire ballots since they were pre-screened by the Democrat party.

Posted by: Marc on January 6, 2005 03:32 PM

4. Is the axe murderer really "convicted", or simply found not guilty by reason of insanity?

If actually found or plead guilty, and the killer is still in prison -- even in the mental ward thereof -- they won't have their right to vote, since it cannot be restored while you are still in prison.

If you are in a mental hospital, that does not mean you don't have the right to vote. It is not enough to be committed, you have to be judicially declared as mentally incompetent to vote.

That is not part of the process of finding someone not guilty by reason of insanity. Nor is it part of civil commitment proceedings. The only judicial process to declare a person to be mentally incompetent to vote is contained in the guardianship proceeding.

So if the axe murderer was found not guilty by reason of insanity, they have the perfect legal right to vote from Western State Hospital or wherever they are committed to.

Same applies if the murderer was convicted, then released from prison, paid their fines, got their voting rights back, and then got locked up in the looney bin for some other reason.

Posted by: Richard Pope on January 6, 2005 03:43 PM

5. Another sign idea: Axe murderers for Gregoire!

But yes, those 400 provisional ballots are DEFINITELY a scarey problem for the dems, since they can be laid squarely at the foot of the Gregoire campaign. they are sweatin' this one even as they Bhagdad-Bob-like tell us there is nothing wrong!

Posted by: Michele on January 6, 2005 04:16 PM

6. I just wanted to wish y'all good luck from this out-of-stater. It strikes me that it's VITALLY important that Rossi prevails in the contest phase and the effort to force a re-vote. Anything less will be a disaster. You'll never hear the end of it from the D's -- "See, we told you the problems were exaggerated." How do others see it?

Posted by: Al on January 6, 2005 05:08 PM

7. Al, It appears for once that the Republicans in this state have "grown a pair" and are not going to let this one pass. Rest assured they are not backing down. I believe they will file their Contest of the election tomorrow. THEN, it will be interesting to see how the media covers it - how much detail will they give of the DOCUMENTED cases of fraud that will be in the court filing.

When this happens this story SHOULD go national more than it has so far.

Posted by: Scott in Carnation on January 6, 2005 05:29 PM

8. How many signatures are required to get a recall on the ballot? If 150k people (5% of Washington's electorate this year) signed a revote petition, most will problky sign for a recall, if fraudoire suceeds in stealing the election..

Posted by: Steve on January 6, 2005 05:50 PM

9. Steve, Steve, Steve... haven't you been paying attention? A recall is not an option.

Please review earlier discussions of this issue.

Signature requirement is a very high number, standards for recall are specific and do not include anything the official did before getting into office, you can't even start a recall movement until the official has been in office for at least six months. There are other objections, but I forget what they are.

To other posters, trolls and Dems reading these posts - don't mess with Joe O'D! The more you pound on him the tougher he will get. He's smarter than you, he has been there, and best of all ... he's Irish. I know whereof I speak!

Besides, all critics of Joe O'D seem to have been miles from the polling places during the irregularities in question. So, stop wasting your time ... and ours.

Mac (get it?)

Posted by: Mac on January 6, 2005 07:43 PM

10. In response to the update relating Senator Gorton, have more than 129 confirmed illegal ballots been found? I am guessing that the 400 provisional ballots that were mixed in with the other ballots are not counted as illegal.

Posted by: Gil on January 6, 2005 08:43 PM

11. Gorton, you jerk, why didn't YOU contest your last election?

If you had done that, the RAts wouldn't have been so arrogant to think they could get away with it yet AGAIN....

EVIL PROSPERS WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DO NOTHING...MR. GORTON....

Posted by: lee on January 6, 2005 11:01 PM

12. Provisional ballots are presumed illegal until proven otherwise, aren't they?

Posted by: Ann on January 6, 2005 11:14 PM