1. what of the rumors this is financed by the national GOP?

Posted by: bmvaughn on December 31, 2004 01:21 PM

2. I don't think the sponsors of the site are relevant.

The D's are going to pooh pooh it regardless.

BTW I am not an R

Posted by: DeadWood on December 31, 2004 01:28 PM

3. Who cares if it was financed by the national GOP? Who do you think financed the manual recount?

FYI - John Kerry and Howard Dean kicked in the cash. Kerry gave $250,000 to Gregoire for the recount. This is some of the $15 million in campaign funds that he kept, while watching the Democratic Senate and Rep committees BORROW $13 million in the last weeks of the election. Oh well, I guess when you donate money to a billionaire you get what you pay for.

Everybody do your civic duty and sign the petition! I'll be out late tomorrow night putting orange ribbons all over Queen Anne hill.

Cheers to you Stefan!! I can't imagine the day when all the news that we would have received on the election had to come from the Times, PI, and tepid milquetoast TV news reporters. You've done more for our democracy than you know yet.

Posted by: Larry on December 31, 2004 01:33 PM

4. It's a great idea and I've already signed up.

I asked if they could start posting the numbers, but they said they had decided not to. I think if this is going to get much traction, we need to show how many voters in the state are not satisfied with the current situation.

I hope they'll reconsider, and I encourage everyone to go and sign up.

Posted by: Ken on December 31, 2004 01:37 PM

5. I emailed this link to all of my family and friends in Washington asking that if they feel there are too many discrepancies surrounding this election, and if they did not want a cloud of doubt hanging over the person in the Governor's office then they should sign this petition. And if they felt otherwise, then I apologized for bothering them.

I urge everyone to do the same and hopefully we can get the word out about this petition.

Posted by: Stay at Home Mom on December 31, 2004 01:37 PM

6. Stefan:

I heard part of your interview on the Dori Monson show this afternoon. Thank you for all your work. And thanks to the posters here (most anyway) who keep their comments civilized and polite. It's a very obvious difference from the "other" side's blogger site.

Posted by: Rae on December 31, 2004 01:49 PM

7. GREGOIRE=
Gonna
Rig
Every
Governor's Race
Oppressing
Important military voters
Revote
End it once and for all

Posted by: Miriam on December 31, 2004 01:51 PM

8. There is no bigger government than a republican government.
You people have shown us time and time again, you can't be trusted running this country.
Your deficits speak volumes.
Carter left.......$80 billion debt.
bush 1 left.........$4.3 trillion debt.
clinton repair job........budget surplus....more jobs created than the last 4 repub pres. combined.
Bush 2 in office........untold deficits for us, our kids, our grandkids.....................
Now he wants you to stick you S.S. in the stock market so his a**hole buddies and him can steal your last bit of change.
You dumba**es kill me!!

Posted by: LARRY on December 31, 2004 02:08 PM

9. I think the other LARRY's email address sums it all up. What does any of that horrible, foul-mouthed screed have to do with the re-vote and wearing orange?

I have a litmus test to see if someone knows anything about politics - if they think Jimmy Carter was a good President, they don't know jack. And if they think he's a good former President, they know less.

Posted by: Larry on December 31, 2004 02:14 PM

10. Its only fair Larry since you dumba** es with your PC approach to national security killed 3000 of us.

Posted by: Dave on December 31, 2004 02:15 PM

11. Larry is the perfect example of the supposed high intellect of our more liberal voters

I will sign the partition but honestly this thing will live or die in to courts. And if this fraud of an election stands will the people of this state remember? Look at the win we gave Osama Moma Murray. She praises the good works of Osama Bin Lauden and one year later we give her a huge win. McDermott all but commits treason along with illegal wiretapping and he is reelected by 80%a year or two later. The western side of this state is not full of the brightest citizens, they tend to vote as they are told to by the party

Posted by: Verne on December 31, 2004 02:36 PM

12. I signed up! Too bad I don't personally know anyone to encourage to do so (I'm literally surrounded by Gregoire supporters all the time). Happy to do my little part.

Posted by: Ferrous on December 31, 2004 02:37 PM

13. While I think Rossi's request for a revote was polite, I don't think it the best course of action for what we need. If evidence exists of fraud, which so far seems to be in the close horizon, exposing this corruption is the higher good (even if Rossi doesn't get the Governorship). Using the same election processes that allowed this mess to occur, isn't going to fix it. We must get to the root cause, and that unfortunately is going to take hard work.

Maybe a valid reason does exist for the 3500 overvotes, I can't think of what reason would cover all of those would be, but I don't know everything either. Keep digging, not to win, but to reveal the truth. May the truth win this election.

Posted by: Alan on December 31, 2004 02:55 PM

14. Yeah, we signed up too. Plus there's an ORANGE ribbon flying from our vehicle antenna.

I think, with the right momentum, we could actually get a re-vote. Then Rossi could celebrate like he should have been able to in the first place.

You see, as soon as Gregoire claims to have found more ballots, everyone is going to jump on her like they did with the terrorist who tried to ignite a shoe bomb on the plain after 9-11. Gentlemen, get your leather belts ready!

Posted by: TADD on December 31, 2004 03:21 PM

15. ORANGE RIBBON:

JoAnne Fabrics is having a New Year's Day sale. I just bought about 80 feet of orange ribbon for $9.75, and I'm planning on decorating Queen Anne Avenue, Kerry Park (the most famous panorama view of Seattle), my car, and everywhere else that I can.

When the cashier was ringing me up, she asked "What's all the orange ribbon for?"

I replied "To protest the Gubernatorial election."

"Why orange?"

"Because that's the color the people of the Ukraine wore to protest their botched election."

"Who did you want to win?"

"Dino Rossi, but that's not the point. King County fouled things up so bad that nobody can say who won." (Of course I think Rossi won, but I was trying to be diplomatic.)

Her reply? "No kidding, maybe they should just pick someone off the street and make them Governor."

Her response surprised me - this was the store in Ballard!!! If a young woman in Ballard knows that the whole thing is messed up.....

Posted by: Larry on December 31, 2004 04:09 PM

16. Maybe the Dems. should use red white and blue ribbons, since they are the only ones that deserve to live in the U.S.

Posted by: LARRY on December 31, 2004 04:20 PM

17. OF COURSE the Democrats would have to use red, white, and blue RIBBONS....

Because none of you actually OWN an AMERICAN FLAG!

Posted by: Larry on December 31, 2004 04:27 PM

18. Stefan,
I know you're busy, but could you call someone in for a clean up on aisle "LARRY"??

Posted by: Julie on December 31, 2004 04:42 PM

19. Anyone think this might be a ploy by the Dems? I mean it would be easy for them to write up a petition stating Gregoire was the winner. Then they could decorate a website up and call it Revotewa.com. Hmm.. notice it's Bainbridge.

Just a thought. :-)

Posted by: Zoomers on December 31, 2004 05:03 PM

20. Its is quite concerning that the revote movement has a home base in very liberal Bainbridge Is. I would not put it past Gregoire and her cronies to set something up like this. After all she played the system quite well right up to the last minute before the manual recount. Les not forget what and who she really is, a blood sucking trail lawyer that sucks the life out of America.

DA

Posted by: Dale on December 31, 2004 05:33 PM

21. Its is quite concerning that the revote movement has a home base in very liberal Bainbridge Is. I would not put it past Gregoire and her cronies to set something up like this. After all she played the system quite well right up to the last minute before the manual recount. Les not forget what and who she really is, a blood sucking trail lawyer that sucks the life out of America.

DA

Posted by: Dale on December 31, 2004 05:33 PM

22. Its is quite concerning that the revote movement has a home base in very liberal Bainbridge Is. I would not put it past Gregoire and her cronies to set something up like this. After all she played the system quite well right up to the last minute before the manual recount. Les not forget what and who she really is, a blood sucking trail lawyer that sucks the life out of America.

DA

Posted by: Dale on December 31, 2004 05:33 PM

23. I believe it was a poster on this forum that was talking about that site before it was completed, and asked people to visit it. I believe it is legit.

Posted by: Julie on December 31, 2004 05:36 PM

24. Hopefully it isn't a Demo thing. I sent it out to several people. As soon as I finished that I began to wonder. I think I'll play it safe and tell them not to sign.

-Zoomers

Posted by: Zoomers on December 31, 2004 05:52 PM

25. I voted for the revote....But I think Alan makes a valid point.

Though a revote could be the fastest and most efficient way of determining the new Governor.....it would be letting King County and the Dems off the hook as far as the fraud committed during these past 3 vote counts! Exposing and correcting the fraud could pay higher dividends as far as future elections are concerned! We may find out that Cantwell, Murray and Sims haven't *truly* won an election in years! At the very least - it would guarantee they would never *win* again!

Posted by: Deborah on December 31, 2004 07:48 PM

26. I don't believe Stefan would put the link up if he thought it was a Dem site.....

Posted by: Deborah on December 31, 2004 07:52 PM

27. Uh oh! I smell a disinformation campaign!

Zoomers and Dale don't sound right to me. Remember the Seminar Callers! You get to recognize their linguistic style, despite their attempts to imitate conservative talk.

Now, read the language on the RevoteWA Web site. Straightforward. Calm. Reasoned. Principled. Hmmmm..... Who does that sound like? Not Dems, Not Libs. Not Greens.

I've sent the web address to relatives in Wash - two out of three of those families (total of 4 voters) are likely signers.

Posted by: Mac on December 31, 2004 08:00 PM

28. I signed the petition - I agree with the "seminar" sound of some of these guys. Also sent to my 3 wonderful reps an email asking for a revote. Can't hurt.

Posted by: CP on December 31, 2004 08:24 PM

29. Looks like revotewa.com was established by the Gilpan Group. That's what the whois record for the domain name point to and the info at http://www.thegilpingroup.com/index.htm seems to back up the premise.

Posted by: Daniel K. on December 31, 2004 10:29 PM

30. Stefan, where are you when it counts? What hypocrisy! Where is the outrage at Sam Reed? Sam certified an election that he knows was ridiculously handled and flawed. It appears that many in this state, including yours truly, just elected a RINO in sheeps clothing. The Rep. party needs to canabalize one of its own here for the good of the party as clearly Sam put his own aspects before voters, the state of WA and his own party.

B

Posted by: BH on December 31, 2004 10:30 PM

31. "Who do you think financed the manual recount?"

BTW, not all the money to pay for the manual count came from big donors. Some of it also came from regular folks like myself. Just for the record.

Posted by: Daniel K on December 31, 2004 10:32 PM

32. From DanielK's link to the Gilpin site...here is a partial client list: (note - this list doesn't include the corporate clients listed on the same page...)

political campaigns
Among the The Gilpin Group's political clients are: International - Partido de la Revolucion Democraticia (Mexico); US Senate - Scott Hardman (WA); State Legislature - Jim Toledano (CA) & Mike Cooper/IAFF/AFL-CIO (WA); Mayor - Vicki Reynolds (Beverly Hills, CA), Mike Feinstein (Santa Monica, CA) & Vera Robles DeWitt (Carson, CA); County Executive - Bruce Hilyer (King County.WA); City Council - Martha Choe (Seattle, WA) & Alan Weston (Santa Monica, CA) Josefina Santiago (Santa Monica.CA): School Board, Julia Brownley (Santa Monica/Malibu); Union - International Association of Fire Fighters DC); Tax/Bonding - NO on 48 (WA/Stadium), NO on Prop 1 (Kitsap County, WA/Transit) & YES on S (Beverly Hills, CA/Education); Land Use - NO on D&E (Santa Monica, CA/Development) & YES on S (Santa Monica, CA/Coastline); Environment - YES on 696 (WA/Fish Net Ban) & NO on Z (Santa Monica, CA/Parkland).

Posted by: Deborah on December 31, 2004 11:07 PM

33. this has probably already been posted but this political cartoon just about sums it up doesn't it? I was pretty surprised because Horsey is so liberal.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20041216/cartoon20041216.gif

By the way, I just started a brand new blog (I'm 17 years old), and am focusing on news issues, so if anyone wants to check it out, the site is http://www.theminefield.blogspot.com/
Thanks

Posted by: Nick on January 1, 2005 01:11 AM

34. Thanks Nick. I went to your blogspot and it is good. Good to see a young person who has can actually think!

Posted by: Miriam on January 1, 2005 01:31 AM

35. Oops! I meant...Good to see a young person who can actually think!

Posted by: Miriam on January 1, 2005 01:32 AM

36. To all:

Firstly, I am not one of these "seminar" folks. I am a staunch conservative! I was only trying to point out the POSSIBILITY of the Democrats using such ploys. I guess you could call me a conspiracy theorist to some extent. So no, I am not a "seminar" person or a Democratic liberal troll!

Posted by: Zoomers on January 1, 2005 09:16 AM

37. I signed the petition and wish to make a small donation to help with expenses.

Pay ALL my bills via on-line banking.

When I attempted to add the ReVote name to my merchant list, it wont accept as there is no phone number?

Posted by: mentor on January 1, 2005 09:45 AM

38. Daniel K:

And just for the record, some of the money for the manual recount came from people who donated to John Kerry's Presidential Campaign fund who had no idea nor wish that their money would be used in this manner. I know some people who voted for John Kerry and Dino Rossi, and who donated to Kerry, who are flabbergasted that Kerry would keep the money and then give it to Gregoire. I don't think they'll be voting for any Democrats next time.

That's one way people become Republican.

Posted by: Larry on January 1, 2005 03:03 PM

39. It has come up before that the $730,000 put forth by the Democrats (which included a few of my own dollars) should not be reclaimed as the law provides for if the recount being paid for reversed the outcome, as it did in this case.

While I personally wouldn't have a problem with the Dems not getting the money back for the sake of the counties that had to do the vote, what Larry indicates is reason enough why that money should be kept by the Dems. Not to mention that the process should be the burden of all state tax payers, not just a few.

In the same vein, it is not possible to have a fair election re-vote, should that occur, (and I'll reiterate I don't think it is something that should occur) if it is paid for any other way than through state or county funding, as opposed to private donations.

Posted by: Daniel K on January 1, 2005 06:36 PM

40. We are all simps for voting Democrat OR Republican. These two parties are destroying the nation (actually HAVE destroyed).

Posted by: Kurt on April 28, 2005 01:50 PM

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