We deserve our bad government. Shame on us.

We deserve our bad government. Shame on us.

We deserve our bad government. Shame on us.

Ah well, fiction at its finest . . .

Oh yeah, there's also the case of the 400+ provisional ballots (all for Gregoire) that were allowed into the 1st recount, whose signatures have not been verified - have they ? 10,000 additional ballots that were found in the 1st recount and a number of other inconsistencies and "bending" of the rules here and there. The court case may have been lost by the Democrats, but the rules continue to be changed by the King County Elections board and the canvassing board (if they accept the 577+ ballots tomorrow). Do you think there will really be any significant reform of the election system in King County if Greg-Gore somehow gets in ? If you do, like PT Barnum says, there's a sucker born every minute...

There is one more recourse, if she overturns the previously certified result in this recount, which should really be overruled by the US Supreme Court, as it would be a copy of Bush vs. Gore (2000), and that is what happened in California earlier this year with the recall of Gray Davis and the election of Arnold Schwarzenegger as Governor. This would require a petition signed by 25% of the registered voters of this state - this is where the rubber would meet the road...I think these petitions would be ready to go in a surprisingly short time - if conditions warrant.

And I have a question for y'all... do really think the 561 ballots are fraudulent, or are you just saying that they shouldn't be counted now, because they weren't counted the first time around?

This whole thing is turning into a joke. These jokers running King's elections ought to be fired then sued.

Is there a complete list of people that _did_ vote properly somewhere? And is there a public list of felons anywhere? Sigh.

I figure it will be kind of like going to the zoo to watch all of the little Democrat monkeys busily trying to count accurately on their hands and toes and then place ballots into neat little piles.

You know they say that if you have enough Democrat monkeys counting the ballots millions of times, they will eventually produce a win for Gregoire.

I would like to see the Logan's job become elected, rather than appointed.

Of the 1500 ballots, 561 have 'no signature on file'. (And there will be more, someone stopped at 'C' as Richard Pope points out.)

But.
In a pile of ballots _rejected_ for not meeting signature requirements, these are all of the ones with _no_ signature on file.

And... they are ALL VALID?!?!?

Wouldn't you expect some of the 'no signature on file' ballots to be people who not only weren't in the computer - but also didn't have a valid voter registration card in the first place? There's _zero_ of those in this pile? Really?

Have these 561 people been contacted by the media?

Ok, ok, he may not be quite THAT bad, but he has proven himself to be grossly incompetent, at best.

He needs to go.

Well, I WAS going to bed early, but now I'm staying up to see .............

What if there is no paper record for a particular voter?

What if the paper record for that voter is out of date, wrong address, etc.?

Will King County check for these possibilities? If so, we should expect to see a total number of counted votes that is less than the 561 or 577 or whatever the number. It is statistically likely that at least some of these voters were not properly registered, changed address, etc. but voted anyway.

Is there anyone checking for any of these situations, or is it truly just count every vote found?

Rossi against Cantwell? I hope so :) That way we can expose this Bush-lite fella for what he is.

Rossi, bendover and take it like a Repug.

They are getting very sloppy... keep watching.

its not....don't hold your breath.....the Democrat party has enough crooked brain-dead people in the system to pull this crap off every year....

I don't want Rossi to run against Cantwell....

we need to find someone else...

Cantwell only won by about 2000 votes last time and nothing was done about it...not even when she pulled that off in the last minute of the last day....with those oh-so-lucky "provisional votes" that the RAts get from the passing trash thru our state...

I guess what we need is to get Republicans to be as crooked as the RAts....

your morally bankrupt! the dems are stealing an election. adding newly discovered votes to the requested recall vote is cheating. yeh! lets change the rules of the game to win. yep, the great standard bearer of moral integrity continues to be demostrated by a party that has lost all historical moral bearing that it once stood upon. win at all cost.

Here’s the theory: The Republicans claimed, early on, that any recount that resulted in Gregoire winning would be caused by Democrat cheating (one way or the other).

By repeating this mantra, using all sorts of presumed scenarios, consistently, artfully and often, they have created, among many, a feeling that a Gregoire victory would certainly be a result of malicious play.

This is brilliant PR – create a false end result presumption, stay on message and repeat at all opportunties. This technique is powerful and often successful.

Kudos to the PR machine to create and deliver the “Gregorie Wins means Democrats Cheat” message.

Almost as brilliant as Rove getting gay marriage on the ballot in closely contested states….

This process would be more interesting if the democrats were even a tad bit close on executing message strategy. Without it, it's a walk for the Rs!

It is time to split the county up into smaller, more manageable, parts. Cedar County anyone?

The Dems are going to win this one, and lawsuits won't overturn it. It's inevitable, and probably has been from the beginning. The laughable thing is the screw-up during the first recount--who miscounted and manufactured 42 votes shy of what was needed?

Obviously the GOTV effort by the Republican party needs to be strengthened in this state. Rossi was a good candidate, unlike some of the ones that were run in earlier gubernatorial races. I'm hopeful that he will run again.

The King County election office is not going to be punished for this, they're going to be celebrated! Why shouldn't they be? They turned a major loss for the Dems into a win--do you think Dem-run state government sees what happened in King County as anything but wildly positive? The Sec of State will put up a fuss, but he can't act alone.

The biggest mistake the Republicans can make right now is to spend the next four years whining about this. This isn't the first election affected by fraud, and it won't be the last. That's life in politics. The Republican mistake was not doing more to GOTV.

If Dino runs again in four years, I'm confident that Gregoire's fabulous administrative and leadership skills will make stealing the next race too difficult even for King County.

this is btotal corruption, everybody knows it....

let's stop saying that its just a "mistake" or its just bad management...

all votes not included in the first vote should not be included now, even the poor ballots that someone "forgot" or the ones that were just waiting for the "approval" from the election board...

they should all be tossed...no chain of command for most of them...

look what we have to show for Gorton not contesting the election last time...and its the same process this time...

Passivity must go....we must be lions!!!

It makes you nervous, huh? It makes you cringe. Whether there actually is/was wrong-doing here in KingCounty, in Florida, in Ohio, are questions that are difficult to answer. But now you know how it feels.

I actually feel sorry for Rossi, because NO candidate has to be put through this shit. Even though I didn't vote for him, I'm sorta hoping he wins.